Bro what, if we can stop leftist infighting for one fucking minute that would be great. We all have 90% of the same goals so how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us. Also being pro western „democracy“ is cringe.
Bro what, if we can stop leftist infighting for one fucking minute that would be great. We all have 90% of the same goals so how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us. Also being pro western „democracy“ is cringe.
"Let's stop leftist infighting"
"Also, fuck the democracy most of you support"
Least self-contradictory tankie.
Do you seriously think that for example the USAs democracy represents the will of the people? Democratic representation does not mean capitalistic multi party system that’s not how you measure democracy.
Tankie "try not to make any discussion about the United States" challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Tankie “try not to make any discussion about the United States” challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I mean commies talking about the US has been a thing since, well, ever
Idk, tankies are pro-genocide. That doesn't mesh very well with most people's sensibilities.
Who supports genocide? What genocide? Who do you define as tankie? This is not one homogeneous group lol
The Uyghur genocide for example
All tankies seem to want is a strongman dictator and to hate the US. I don't care about the US but I'm definitely opposed to having a strongman dictator. Like if there was a group that wanted 90% of what I did but also wants to form an ethnostate, I would not work with that group.
Don't put me in the same group as people who defend the Russian and Chinese state governments.
The point is, you're not going to hear a thoughtful explanation of what those people actually think or why on an instance where any such explanation gets you immediately banned and your comments removed.
There's a good reason their instances are defederated and they are shunned. They had a nasty habit of brigading and spamming
And their explanations usually amount to "Russia and China aren't actually bad, it's every other country on earth has conspired to make them look bad"
And their explanations usually amount to “Russia and China aren’t actually bad, it’s every other country on earth has conspired to make them look bad”
I seem to always see them reference that its the NATO countries that did that, and I don't think those are the whole world
every nation is NATO or controlled by NATO, the only true way forward is for the not yet corrupted populations to follow their local Russia/China backed dictator to utopia
THIS ISNT REDDIT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BRIGADING ON THE FEDIVERSE
I’m open to communism, but China isn’t the model we need to emulate.
I mean I don't know stuff but I gather that some of these tankies hate china too
being a Stalinist/Maoist enjoyer is part of the whole tankie thing, Tankies are fans of vanguard party fascism, they are called tankies because they support the side using tanks to shoot down protesters.
Artificial walls? You're literally implying that if you're pro democracy you aren't leftist. You yourself are putting up a wall.
When we ask tankies, in lieu of a communist state, to vote as left as possible, they start foaming at the mouth how cringe lefties voting are... I mean that's a pretty fucking high wall.. How else are we, the general non-revolutionary left, ever going to fucking 'work together'.
People are incapable of fathoming that resistance AT EVERY LEVEL is necessary for a successful revolution. Voting is just as important is throwing Molotov cocktails is just as important as producing leftist propaganda is just as important as non-violent protests are just as important as protest involving private property destruction is just as important as militant opposition under oppressive regimes. Resistance at all levels is necessary because when you throw a Molotov cocktail without any of the other stuff going on, you're just allowing the media to propagandize another story about violent and insane leftists acting rashly in an out of touch manner with society. The violent and insane leftists theory is harder to propagandize when its clear that the rest of society agrees with the person throwing the Molotov cocktail. Stop worrying about what other leftists are doing, and join the resistance at whatever level your comfortable with. If you're coming on the internet to argue about what leftists policies are the best or most effective, you are missing the point and damaging the cause. This is doubly so if you've only ever read theory and have never joined an in person organization. If you'd like to argue less and do more, get off of the internet and go volunteer with a leftist organization. We don't have time to argue and in fight while capitalism is working like a popular, well oiled oppression machine.
tankies are all cosplayers, can't get over the wet dream of enacting more ur-fascist dictatorships via pretending that the French had it right when they introduced liberalism to Europe, while coincidentally forgetting that, every revolution so far as always ended with some form of ur-fascist, and reformation brought us closest to an actual socialist/communist society.
These people are mostly helping the people they rail against as much as they do the opposite lol. Overall just sowing division where there needs to be none.
ya, i'll proudly stand divided from the people pushing for a dictatorship
I'm just nonplussed that a stupid nazi-edit meme like this could get more attention than anything else happening right now.
Op is a fed
You're not to the left of us.
What are you trying to say? Legit question, not sarcasm, just confusion.
They said "how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us."
MLs and other similar ideologies are not to the left of anarchists.
MLs? I tried googling it, but the closest approximation is Marxist-Leninists?
Yeah, marxist-leninists. There was this guy called Joe who really liked Marx and Lenin, but he didn't understand them. So he created this new ideology called Marxism-Leninism that he claimed was a synthesis of their two ideas, but was actually about establishing a one-party state and abandoning the goal of world communism. In the end, he never succeeded in creating a communist society, he just invented state capitalism.
So now Joe Stalin's fans run around calling themselves marxist-leninists and say we need to achieve a classless, stateless communist utopia by establishing a nondemocratic state ruled by an elite class called the "vanguard party". They're super cringe, but they think they're to the left of anarchists because they use more violence against minorities or something
yes, that is correct, and ironically fascist (who would have seen that coming, a single party dictatorship with economic control ending as fascist)
I mean I don't know who they are but opinion defines position, not your opinion on your position
Pls twll me which government in the world today best represents its people, or comes closest to what you'd call ideal?
Bro what, if we can stop leftist infighting for one fucking minute that would be great. We all have 90% of the same goals so how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us. Also being pro western „democracy“ is cringe.
"Let's stop leftist infighting"
"Also, fuck the democracy most of you support"
Least self-contradictory tankie.
Do you seriously think that for example the USAs democracy represents the will of the people? Democratic representation does not mean capitalistic multi party system that’s not how you measure democracy.
Tankie "try not to make any discussion about the United States" challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I mean commies talking about the US has been a thing since, well, ever
Idk, tankies are pro-genocide. That doesn't mesh very well with most people's sensibilities.
Who supports genocide? What genocide? Who do you define as tankie? This is not one homogeneous group lol
The Uyghur genocide for example
All tankies seem to want is a strongman dictator and to hate the US. I don't care about the US but I'm definitely opposed to having a strongman dictator. Like if there was a group that wanted 90% of what I did but also wants to form an ethnostate, I would not work with that group.
Don't put me in the same group as people who defend the Russian and Chinese state governments.
The point is, you're not going to hear a thoughtful explanation of what those people actually think or why on an instance where any such explanation gets you immediately banned and your comments removed.
There's a good reason their instances are defederated and they are shunned. They had a nasty habit of brigading and spamming
And their explanations usually amount to "Russia and China aren't actually bad, it's every other country on earth has conspired to make them look bad"
I seem to always see them reference that its the NATO countries that did that, and I don't think those are the whole world
every nation is NATO or controlled by NATO, the only true way forward is for the not yet corrupted populations to follow their local Russia/China backed dictator to utopia
THIS ISNT REDDIT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BRIGADING ON THE FEDIVERSE
Get it through your smooth brain
Western democracy has its issues. Namely capitalism.
Oh, wait, China has that problem too.
Western democracy also has issues with authoritarians constantly trying to weasel their way into power.
OH WAIT CHINA ALREADY HAS THAT
The CPC is Communist in name only, and the Party controls the dissemination of all information and has encouraged a nationalist stance.
I'm open to communism, but China isn't the model we need to emulate.
You people are all about the lesser of two evils but China is definitely less evil than the USA.
The Uyghurs would disagree
I mean I don't know stuff but I gather that some of these tankies hate china too
being a Stalinist/Maoist enjoyer is part of the whole tankie thing, Tankies are fans of vanguard party fascism, they are called tankies because they support the side using tanks to shoot down protesters.
Artificial walls? You're literally implying that if you're pro democracy you aren't leftist. You yourself are putting up a wall.
When we ask tankies, in lieu of a communist state, to vote as left as possible, they start foaming at the mouth how cringe lefties voting are... I mean that's a pretty fucking high wall.. How else are we, the general non-revolutionary left, ever going to fucking 'work together'.
People are incapable of fathoming that resistance AT EVERY LEVEL is necessary for a successful revolution. Voting is just as important is throwing Molotov cocktails is just as important as producing leftist propaganda is just as important as non-violent protests are just as important as protest involving private property destruction is just as important as militant opposition under oppressive regimes. Resistance at all levels is necessary because when you throw a Molotov cocktail without any of the other stuff going on, you're just allowing the media to propagandize another story about violent and insane leftists acting rashly in an out of touch manner with society. The violent and insane leftists theory is harder to propagandize when its clear that the rest of society agrees with the person throwing the Molotov cocktail. Stop worrying about what other leftists are doing, and join the resistance at whatever level your comfortable with. If you're coming on the internet to argue about what leftists policies are the best or most effective, you are missing the point and damaging the cause. This is doubly so if you've only ever read theory and have never joined an in person organization. If you'd like to argue less and do more, get off of the internet and go volunteer with a leftist organization. We don't have time to argue and in fight while capitalism is working like a popular, well oiled oppression machine.
tankies are all cosplayers, can't get over the wet dream of enacting more ur-fascist dictatorships via pretending that the French had it right when they introduced liberalism to Europe, while coincidentally forgetting that, every revolution so far as always ended with some form of ur-fascist, and reformation brought us closest to an actual socialist/communist society.
These people are mostly helping the people they rail against as much as they do the opposite lol. Overall just sowing division where there needs to be none.
ya, i'll proudly stand divided from the people pushing for a dictatorship
I'm just nonplussed that a stupid nazi-edit meme like this could get more attention than anything else happening right now.
Op is a fed
You're not to the left of us.
What are you trying to say? Legit question, not sarcasm, just confusion.
They said "how about we work on that and not build artificial walls to those to the left of us."
MLs and other similar ideologies are not to the left of anarchists.
MLs? I tried googling it, but the closest approximation is Marxist-Leninists?
Yeah, marxist-leninists. There was this guy called Joe who really liked Marx and Lenin, but he didn't understand them. So he created this new ideology called Marxism-Leninism that he claimed was a synthesis of their two ideas, but was actually about establishing a one-party state and abandoning the goal of world communism. In the end, he never succeeded in creating a communist society, he just invented state capitalism.
So now Joe Stalin's fans run around calling themselves marxist-leninists and say we need to achieve a classless, stateless communist utopia by establishing a nondemocratic state ruled by an elite class called the "vanguard party". They're super cringe, but they think they're to the left of anarchists because they use more violence against minorities or something
yes, that is correct, and ironically fascist (who would have seen that coming, a single party dictatorship with economic control ending as fascist)
I mean I don't know who they are but opinion defines position, not your opinion on your position
Pls twll me which government in the world today best represents its people, or comes closest to what you'd call ideal?