Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
timesofisrael.com
The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.
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Can we yet dispense with the fiction that hamas is fighting some just war?
Hiding behind civilians and intentionally using their deaths as propaganda is terrible.
Also, free palestine, fuck hamas, fuck likud, fuck Iran, and fuck Russia.
I don't think anyone is saying the war is just but rather relatable. If someone occupied my country, killed my family and took my family land I can't say I'd react any different.
You'd sneak into their villages and go door to door killing thousands of innocent people in their homes? And do the same to young people at a music festival?
I think we can all relate to resistance, but this is something else.
The protagonists in the Old Testament do exactly that more than once with less provocation, and millions of people still consider them the good guys. Israel's PM in particular has specifically cited one of them as a model to emulate. Look up his comment about Amalek.
So yes, a lot of people would do that, and the people in charge of this massacre in particular would definitely do that given a chance. Or, you know, you can look at the fact that they basically are doing that right now, just with bombs rather than small arms.
You know you’re on the moral high ground of relatability when your evidence comes from the fucking Old Testament. Like when your morality comes from 4000+ years ago, wow, that’s some good shit right there. Hold my beer, I’m about to say that I read slavery is ok in the Old Testament. Watch as I drive down to Whole Foods with a net gun and get myself some laborers from the produce isles. It’s ok because they wear multiple kinds of cloth at the same time, and I saw one pick up a lobster so he can definitely be my chattel. There goes one holding hands with his partner, give me a minute while I righteously smite them in the name of my lord; pour out some salt for them!
Man, you suck at reading comprehension. I'm using the Old Testament as an example of what people believe, not a source of factual information. You understand those are different things, right?
Dude you suck at reading comprehension because that’s exactly what I addressed in my comment. If one’s belief system is actually based in or otherwise aligned with the Old Testament, their opinion is invalid and they are morally bankrupt.
The Old Testament is so fucking brutal and devoid of morality, that 2000 years ago people started Christianity just to get away from its brutality; that was literally the appeal of jesus. To say “god did a take back and the world doesn’t have to be so brutal”.
A. Isrealis have been doing that for the better part of 50 years.
B. Sure, that's abborant but yeah I think we can all picture being so frustrated and stuck you lash out at whatever is nearby.
It's resistance, resistance has never been pretty not even when proto Israeli terrorists were bombing civilian targets in 1946 and hiding weapons and fighters in schools, hospitals and temples.
u call raping women and burning babies a "resistance"?
Yep I’m sure that’s what they’d say. You know how the Indians drove out the British and ended their apartheid state? By shooting people at electronic music festivals and committing necrophilia and by killing babies.
Same thing in South Africa actually in the 80s: they killed white babies, and shot white South Africans at electronic music festivals.
Oh and don’t forget Martin Luther King Jr. in the USA. He actually personally attended electronic music festivals and killed his fellow Americans, regularly. He had a huge kill-count. The tunnels he dug beneath hospitals are fucking legendary, all school children learn of his wanton murder during the civil rights movement, and we venerate him for it. Every chance he got, he called for the extermination of white people, and of Jews, and of Asian people too. That’s how he became a fucking hero. Never tried to unite people together, not even once. Americans are so fucking proud that he sewed division and hate, and killed people all the damn time. That’s why he has a street in every single major city in the USA and in other places too.
You'd become a hardline religious extremist, torture your own people, and massacre civilians in cold blood?
Weird thing to admit to man.
I'm not religious so no, and I made no mention of religion. Israel was forged by hard-line religious extremists as well but is technically a secular nation.
You should look into every revolution on earth, 98% of which will include religious extremists. Your point is idiotic, the American revolution had religious extremists lol.
Hamas is explicitly a jihadist regime. Do you... not know that?
I do know that. I don't think it matters the reason they're fighting if it's the same effect either way.
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You're being tedious. You know what I meant and notably hamas is not the only dog in this fight buddy. The narrative is it's hamas because they're religious extremists and it tends to discount the fact that regardless of their intent or reasoning the effect is the save, armed defense of Gaza. Without hamas the place would have been annexed 30 years ago.
I'm not being tedious. You specifically said you'd join Hamas. That's what Hamas is. If you want to say something differently, just say different words.
Without Hamas there would literally be a Palestinian state, and it would be a secular state, and I know this because this is the reason Hamas exists.
They seized power and canceled elections forever specifically because Palestinians were going to be their own secular state, and Israel would exist. They find that unacceptable. Just like the entire reason for the October attacks was Israel normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia.
These things are not secrets or opinions man. This is history.
You are, meaning by context is a thing. I did not specifically say I'd join hamas, hyperbole is absurd when there's an objective record just above your comment.
Not at all, there's good evidence that Israel was always writing against that namely the Israeli government paying hamas and letting them thrive so long as they took out targets beneficial to right wing Israelis.
By which you mean "people who want a two state solution and a secular Palestine."
And yes, you do mean that's because that's who they fucking targeted.
You're so against Israel that you're back to rooting for a shitter Palestine.
Yes because we all know you end a terrorist organization but providing them funds they can then use to buy weapons and fighters? Weird plan bud.
You clearly don't know what I mean bud, and it kinda seems like you're not paying attention.
I'm against both lol.
That's a really dumb position to have, frankly.
shows u have no clue what ur talking about. Israel wasn't forged by religion extremists, on contrary. I will never understand people like u who talk with such confidence about matters they have no clue about.
Where is Gaza's military allowed to be?
Certainly not at Israeli music festivals
Well, what was "Gaza's military" doing outside of Gaza committing torture, rape, infanticide and murder on 1,200 civilians?
How many Gaza civilians does Israel get to kill in retaliation?
100? 1000? 2000? 5000? 10,000? We’re still not at the actual number that have been killed just since Oct 7th, by the way. If killing 1200 Israelis is bad why is killing 15,000 Palestinians just shit that happens that everyone should just get over?
cuz idf isn't going out of their way to kill civilians. else they would've levelled gaza instantly.
With their current numbers they would need to kill 3 million Palestinians in Gaza to wipe out Hamas.
There are 2.2 million in Gaza.
They're actual doing worse than possible.
You’re just lying. Not even Israel claims Hamas killed 1200 civilians. That number includes active duty military and police.
Trying to break the walls of their open air prison thats killing everyone inside.
And bear in mind the reports of torture and rape are just accusations from an occupying military.
Hamas murdered 1,200 civilians in Israel.
If you think that's just fine in order to reach some abstract goal, you really have no leg to stand on complaining about the IDF killing civilians inside Gaza.
Its abstract to you, because youre not gonna let the plight of gazans be a real thing that matters to you. But its very real, well before this recent assault. A humanitarian crisis for hundreds of thousands of people short on food, water, and shelter due to Israeli military oppression
Hamas is not fighting for the "plight of Gazans" - they're on record saying that the Palestinians are not their responsibility.
That's probably why they don't give a fuck if their rockets detonate and explode in Gaza, killing hundreds of Palestinians. That's probably why they launch rockets from hospitals and schools. That's probably why they hide weapons production facilities next to places of worship. That's probably why they shoot Palestinians who are trying to evacuate. That's probably why they abduct, imprison, torture and murder Palestinians who they perceive to be enemies. That's probably why they close down, shutter and burn down Palestinian coffee shops, hotels, shops, water parks, and entertainment venues out of "religious concerns."
Really, you're assuming that Hamas is fighting for the Palestinians, but all evidence points to the exact opposite.
They're a terrorist organization that murders people in cold blood, and they rule over Gaza in a reign of terror.
Neither was Lehi and now they're officially part of the IDF, you know the terrorist group.
All of these things are the exact same thing Israel did in mandatory Palestine including using schools, hospitals and temples to store weapons and fighters. Their terror organizations murdered people for religious concerns and quite honestly still do.
And yet lehi and similar were the same but are now praised as freedom fighters.
You could say the same if the idf dude, they literally absorbed about a half dozen terrorist organizations into the idf as an official matter with commendations for attacks that killed civilians.
Why do you simp for one or the other, they're both dogshit.
Sorry this is a barrage of accusations i dont have the time to try and dig through myself. I tried searching for them closing down coffee shops and found nothing, and them claiming no responsibility for palestinians and only found an israeli news article. Im dubious of the rest of the claims
I understand.
You're trying to defend the massacres committed by Hamas as legitimate self-defense. You're trying to defend Hamas as a bunch of freedom fighters protecting Palestinian civilians.
Of course you're not going to look up evidence that Hamas has been making Palestinians' lives miserable. That would run counter to that narrative.
and if it's true?
They didn't, isreali police say that number is lower and includes IDF dead and IDF friendly fire incident.
Yes, they corrected the number down to 1,200.
They originally assumed that it was 1,400 dead civilians, but identifying mangled and burned bodies is apparently taking a while.
Ah the same time, the number of dead at the festival has been corrected from an estimate of 200 to at least 350.
Hamas built that prison, when they tried to overthrow the Jordanian and Egyptian governments while also calling for the genocide of Israel.
There's a reason people are stuck in Gaza and that reason is entirely Hamas.
Gaza or specifically Hamas controlled Gaza doesn't have a military, they're quite literally banned from having one.
Can you get me a definition for military that Hamas doesnt fall under? Theyre definitely armed forced of a country.
They're a military force, they aren't a standing military but difference.
You, me, and the guy i was responding to said military
Yes, my point is they're not allowed in Gaza at all, weapons are technically illegal there and if Israel catches you with one you're pretty likely to be shot or rapidly made multipart.
This is goddamn insane, imagine Russia trying to tell Ukraine theyre not allowed to have a military. Of course the genociders dont want their victims armed. Tell Israel theyre not allowed to have a military
Hamas militants have tried to overthrow or commit genocide against literally every surrounding nation. Hamas made their bed, quite intentionally.
Do you always lie when you have no arguments left to justify ethnic cleansing?
Lol how do you not know about this? Might want to look up Egypt and Jordan's experiences with Hamas
I’m well aware of the history of Hamas and their relationships with neighboring countries and organizations.
That’s why I know you’re just lying. Back up your claims with sources instead of pretending I don’t know any better.
So what exactly was the lie?