Just from his huge switch pre-stroke from "progressives are the future, vote for me I'm a progressive" to openly complaining people think he's a progressive and multiple hard right views...
I really think he's one of the people that get big personality changes after a stroke.
My mom went the other way and became a much happier person and more sympathetic to issues facing others, unfortunately the change can happen either way.
It's either that, or he pulled a Sinema and just lied about being a progressive to get elected
I think people may have been looking at him with rose-tinted glasses.
multiple hard right views
I haven't seen any hard-right views from Fetterman.
Immigration and Israel would be the ones everyone is talking about now...
His immigration stance is bipartisan. Bernie himself wants to limit immigration. I'm a radical immigration proponent (wanna be a citizen and land in USA soil, I'd make you a citizen), but the reality is my opinion is deeply unpopular.
Sadly, protectionism is rampant in the Democratic party.
Israel is similarly bipartisan and not hard-right at all. 61% of Democrat voters support Biden's Israel stance, even if they think Israel is being too aggressive
I absolutely guarantee you his constituents are higher than national average in favor of the policies he is stating.
Your argument for why someone with a D by their name can't have a far right stance is other people with a D by their name have the same stance?
I'm saying that his stance is not "far right," and is instead embraced across the political spectrum
Words cease to have any meaning if "far right" just means "things I don't personally agree with."
But Fetterman is hard-right on his “water is wet” policy!!!
My doctor wife told me that water is only wet due to medical conditions.
Water isn’t actually wet
Um, akshually, have you even considered that maybe Bernie is also far-right??
Bernie is a Zionist, so yes he is far right.
Not hard to define anyone as far right when the defining line in your head is wether or not they chant 'death to America' 5+ times a day.
No, supporting colonization is right wing. They steal Palestinian land, that is an undeniable fact.
I’m saying that his stance is not “far right,” and is instead embraced across the political spectrum
And I'm saying that decades of the "left party" moving to the right doesn't make conservative viewpoints suddenly the average and acceptable behavior for any Democrat.
You're literally arguing that we hold the party standard to the person furtherest to the right, but they're not really on the right because a D is next to their name.
And I’m saying that decades of the “left party” moving to the right
This is not a thing that has happened.
Look up HWs pressure on Israel and the resulting ceasefire, then look at Bidens statements on Israel and decide for yourself which is further right.
Biden is probably the most people Israel president the US has had, not enough people know his political history, it's basically why he was picked as Obama's VP.
I'm wondering if he's posturing for a future presidential run, and the party has told him that he needs to temper his progressive stances if he ever wants to run as a Democrat.
If so, definitely a bummer as he seemed like the exact type to not do that.
I'm also curious how biased the information they are given during briefings is. I can totally see how the information the people have and the information presented (or not presented) in briefings could influence congresspeoples opinions.
The person we see now is who he always was.
Would you even say that about someone who is nicer now, or are they just faking it and their meaner behavior was their true self?
He was faking it for office. And the VBNMW crowd ignored the warnings from the left and elected him. Same with Eric Adams, Hakim Jeffries, and a shit ton of others
"He changed after a stroke" is just a sad cope to not feel like they got gaslighted by normal politician things. Yeah you bought the same lie they all sell... "noo he had a stroke and changed!!"
Just from his huge switch pre-stroke from "progressives are the future, vote for me I'm a progressive" to openly complaining people think he's a progressive and multiple hard right views...
I really think he's one of the people that get big personality changes after a stroke.
My mom went the other way and became a much happier person and more sympathetic to issues facing others, unfortunately the change can happen either way.
It's either that, or he pulled a Sinema and just lied about being a progressive to get elected
I think people may have been looking at him with rose-tinted glasses.
I haven't seen any hard-right views from Fetterman.
Immigration and Israel would be the ones everyone is talking about now...
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/john-fetterman-is-the-status-quo-in-gym-shorts.html
His immigration stance is bipartisan. Bernie himself wants to limit immigration. I'm a radical immigration proponent (wanna be a citizen and land in USA soil, I'd make you a citizen), but the reality is my opinion is deeply unpopular.
Sadly, protectionism is rampant in the Democratic party.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21143931/bernie-sanders-immigration-record-explained
Israel is similarly bipartisan and not hard-right at all. 61% of Democrat voters support Biden's Israel stance, even if they think Israel is being too aggressive
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/17/democrats-israel-polls/
I absolutely guarantee you his constituents are higher than national average in favor of the policies he is stating.
Your argument for why someone with a D by their name can't have a far right stance is other people with a D by their name have the same stance?
I'm saying that his stance is not "far right," and is instead embraced across the political spectrum
Words cease to have any meaning if "far right" just means "things I don't personally agree with."
But Fetterman is hard-right on his “water is wet” policy!!!
My doctor wife told me that water is only wet due to medical conditions.
Water isn’t actually wet
Um, akshually, have you even considered that maybe Bernie is also far-right??
Bernie is a Zionist, so yes he is far right.
Not hard to define anyone as far right when the defining line in your head is wether or not they chant 'death to America' 5+ times a day.
No, supporting colonization is right wing. They steal Palestinian land, that is an undeniable fact.
And I'm saying that decades of the "left party" moving to the right doesn't make conservative viewpoints suddenly the average and acceptable behavior for any Democrat.
You're literally arguing that we hold the party standard to the person furtherest to the right, but they're not really on the right because a D is next to their name.
This is not a thing that has happened.
Look up HWs pressure on Israel and the resulting ceasefire, then look at Bidens statements on Israel and decide for yourself which is further right.
Biden is probably the most people Israel president the US has had, not enough people know his political history, it's basically why he was picked as Obama's VP.
I'm wondering if he's posturing for a future presidential run, and the party has told him that he needs to temper his progressive stances if he ever wants to run as a Democrat.
If so, definitely a bummer as he seemed like the exact type to not do that.
I'm also curious how biased the information they are given during briefings is. I can totally see how the information the people have and the information presented (or not presented) in briefings could influence congresspeoples opinions.
The person we see now is who he always was.
Would you even say that about someone who is nicer now, or are they just faking it and their meaner behavior was their true self?
He was faking it for office. And the VBNMW crowd ignored the warnings from the left and elected him. Same with Eric Adams, Hakim Jeffries, and a shit ton of others
"He changed after a stroke" is just a sad cope to not feel like they got gaslighted by normal politician things. Yeah you bought the same lie they all sell... "noo he had a stroke and changed!!"