This happened during street festivities for lunar new year, so a lot of people are connecting the dots. They don't mention that the car was aggressively trying to drive through a crowd, but it seems like it was trying to make its way through a crowd.
Multiple witnesses said Waymo’s navigation technology became confused by festivities and fireworks that were lit to celebrate the Lunar New Year. Witness Anirudh Koul said the driverless car “got stuck immediately in front.”
Another witness said the car’s presence in the middle of Chinatown’s celebrations triggered frustrations in the crowd. “You could feel the frustration when people were just trying to celebrate,” she told KRON4.
So the car's presence was annoying them. That's not exactly a great justification for torching it.
The car shouldn't have been present in the first place. It wasn't a place for cars to be at that moment.
Was the road officially closed?
A funny thing about life is a lot of things happen unofficially, and humans do fine at adjusting to such situations.
Plenty of humans also accidently wander into places they're officially not allowed to be in, much less unofficially.
If you were to turn down the wrong street, maybe park in the wrong spot, you'd consider it reasonable if a mob torched it?
I'm pretty sure I'm not a self-driving car. I'm also pretty sure if I saw a big crowd of people, I wouldn't keep driving forward.
I didn't say they'd torch you. The scenario can include them graciously allowing you to depart your car before they burn it to the ground.
Seriously, you think it's reasonable for a mob to destroy a car because its presence "triggered frustrations in the crowd"? Bear in mind this isn't France we're talking about, where torching cars to express frustration is part of the common culture. This is San Francisco.
I think it's reasonable for a mob to destroy one of the many self-driving cars that have been pissing off San Francisco residents for a very long time now when it tries to drive into them during a big celebration where cars weren't even supposed to be.
Who got hurt here? Waymo? Fuck Waymo.
Waymo's insurance company anyway. And Waymo's reputation.
Oh well.
Alright, so you're fine with mobs destroying the property of anyone that "pisses them off." I'd say that's a slippery slope, but you're already basically at the bottom.
I'm fine with mobs destroying something that has been a public menace for years.
Why are you making personal attacks? I did not attack you. Are you able to carry out a conversation with someone you're disagreeing with and not make personal attacks?
What personal attacks? I'm giving you ample opportunity to clarify your position on this matter, and it keeps ending up in support of mob violence and lawlessness. I think that's a terrible position to take, but that's an attack on the position, not the person.
What personal attacks?
This one:
I’d say that’s a slippery slope, but you’re already basically at the bottom.
As for my position, I supported it very well. If a public menace is allowed on the streets, then I have no problem with people taking the law into their own hands.
Sorry, I'm not a legal absolutist. I don't believe that every law should be followed no matter what the situation or circumstance. And there are some laws which I refuse to follow entirely. Like the one here in Indiana which says that I can't use cannabis.
These cars are a public menace. They block traffic for no reason, they drive into people, they keep getting into accidents.
Bay area first responders also think they're a menace. So yes, people should listen to ambulance drivers and firefighters when they are telling them that the city is giving its blessings to something inherently unsafe and I do not have an issue when they take care of the problem themselves.
Maybe you would sit back and let the government-sanctioned orphan crusher keep crushing orphans and stand in the way of anyone who would pull the off switch because that would be lawlessness, but I would turn it off.
I was describing your position on the slope. If you think that's an attack, perhaps your position isn't very good.
Is that really all you had to say to what I responded to you with? You wanted me to clarify my position, I clarified it, and you have nothing to say about that? Really?
This happened during street festivities for lunar new year, so a lot of people are connecting the dots. They don't mention that the car was aggressively trying to drive through a crowd, but it seems like it was trying to make its way through a crowd.
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/why-did-a-san-francisco-crowd-light-waymos-driverless-vehicle-on-fire/
So the car's presence was annoying them. That's not exactly a great justification for torching it.
The car shouldn't have been present in the first place. It wasn't a place for cars to be at that moment.
Was the road officially closed?
A funny thing about life is a lot of things happen unofficially, and humans do fine at adjusting to such situations.
Plenty of humans also accidently wander into places they're officially not allowed to be in, much less unofficially.
It was the Chinatown Lunar New Year's celebration. What do you think?
I don't believe it was, based on the other cars present in the videos.
And were the "violators will be set on fire" signs posted?
What do you expect to happen if you park in the middle of a fireworks show?
I didn't realize that a "fireworks show" meant "showing how fire works (by burning down any cars that happen to be present)."
They always have fireworks in Chinatown on Chinese New Year. No human would be dumb enough to park there.
There's at least 3 other cars parked there clearly visible in the videos.
But if one did anyway, torching their car would be fine?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. /s
Do you need a sign for every decision you make?
If you were to turn down the wrong street, maybe park in the wrong spot, you'd consider it reasonable if a mob torched it?
I'm pretty sure I'm not a self-driving car. I'm also pretty sure if I saw a big crowd of people, I wouldn't keep driving forward.
I didn't say they'd torch you. The scenario can include them graciously allowing you to depart your car before they burn it to the ground.
Seriously, you think it's reasonable for a mob to destroy a car because its presence "triggered frustrations in the crowd"? Bear in mind this isn't France we're talking about, where torching cars to express frustration is part of the common culture. This is San Francisco.
I think it's reasonable for a mob to destroy one of the many self-driving cars that have been pissing off San Francisco residents for a very long time now when it tries to drive into them during a big celebration where cars weren't even supposed to be.
Who got hurt here? Waymo? Fuck Waymo.
Waymo's insurance company anyway. And Waymo's reputation.
Oh well.
Alright, so you're fine with mobs destroying the property of anyone that "pisses them off." I'd say that's a slippery slope, but you're already basically at the bottom.
I'm fine with mobs destroying something that has been a public menace for years.
Why are you making personal attacks? I did not attack you. Are you able to carry out a conversation with someone you're disagreeing with and not make personal attacks?
Public menace 🤣
Yes. Public menace.
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/are-self-driving-cars-a-menace-to-san-francisco-streets/
What personal attacks? I'm giving you ample opportunity to clarify your position on this matter, and it keeps ending up in support of mob violence and lawlessness. I think that's a terrible position to take, but that's an attack on the position, not the person.
This one:
As for my position, I supported it very well. If a public menace is allowed on the streets, then I have no problem with people taking the law into their own hands.
Sorry, I'm not a legal absolutist. I don't believe that every law should be followed no matter what the situation or circumstance. And there are some laws which I refuse to follow entirely. Like the one here in Indiana which says that I can't use cannabis.
These cars are a public menace. They block traffic for no reason, they drive into people, they keep getting into accidents.
Bay area first responders also think they're a menace. So yes, people should listen to ambulance drivers and firefighters when they are telling them that the city is giving its blessings to something inherently unsafe and I do not have an issue when they take care of the problem themselves.
Maybe you would sit back and let the government-sanctioned orphan crusher keep crushing orphans and stand in the way of anyone who would pull the off switch because that would be lawlessness, but I would turn it off.
I was describing your position on the slope. If you think that's an attack, perhaps your position isn't very good.
Is that really all you had to say to what I responded to you with? You wanted me to clarify my position, I clarified it, and you have nothing to say about that? Really?
Waymo is not a person.
Does that make torching the car okay?
Yes.
Good luck arguing that in court.
Thanks! I don't think I'll need any luck though, as I am not subject to such a court appearance.
what is legal isn't synonymous with what is right
Found the driverless car.
Found the irrational mob.
Two driverless cars in one thread! As I live and breathe!
Maybe the driverless cars were the friends we made along the way...
Shut up, CarGPT.
No, but kids will be kids. It’s the way things go now.