Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear
The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It's absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
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Lemmy.ml is not only a massive instance, it is also the original and core lemmy instance. Widespread defederation would be like a nuclear bomb to the lemmy platform.
Some people have developed alternatives in the threadiverse like kbin or piefed. If lemmy.ml is truly too far aflight for users to tolerate, it seems likely that alternative platforms will fill in the gaps. For now, lemmy is still a thriving and growing platform.
Widespread defederation has been the norm, though. It has always been a thing, and many threads exist going back and forth on mutual defederation for ages.
And also, the only reason I'm on Lemmy.world and not .ml is precisely because of their moderation and their community. I'm the example you're talking about.
I say bite the bullet and break the cord already. This is not the first or only thread calling for defederation of Lemmy.ml.
What I'm saying is that this is a unique instance. I also think that for my purposes, .world is a much better option, and I think that for most people, it's a much healthier and more stable place. I'm just not sure that the rest of lemmy can survive without .ml - It is literally where the development of the platform happens.
What do you do when you have defederated from the developers of the platform you're using? How do you have a working relationship to meet users needs? Someone will say just fork it, but that's essentially the same as launching a new platform. As I mentioned, others have done exactly that, partly for technical reasons relating to the vision of what the platform should be, but also for political reasons.
I'm not advocating for anything, i'm simply stating some of the realities of the platform we are using.
Ml will be long term poison to the group. There's nothing new to say over there, all their own threads are circular.
.world spent months denying the genocide in Gaza. It's a shithole that is likely an op run by western governments to herd in normies and push favorable narratives. Not remotely hard to see that
That's a joke. I've seen denial comments but from the very start world was always pro Palestine. This does not mean there are no examples of Gaza denial on . World
It's not thriving. The devs are prickly arseholes, which is anathema to building a cooperative, volunteer-driven dev community and the tone of many mainstream communities is obnoxiously set by tankies amd their alts.
Probably one of if not the biggest reasons people had poor experiences on Lemmy before was because they signed up on Lemmy.ml
LOL this was me. I thought it would be cool to be on the DEV instance and didn't know that it had a whole lot of other baggage on it.
It would've been me too, but when I started looking at Lemmy the dev's instance was closed along with many others, so the first one was Lemmy.world for me. While Lemmy.world has its flaws it's still way better than ml, really dodged a bullet there.
You were lucky. I got in right before the Reddit exodus, so I guess I got in before they closed things down.
What have they done to prevent a cooperative, volunteer driven dev community?
My experience contributing to lemmy was not bad, albeit it was pretty small thing.
If instances can participate in asymmetric information warfare without reprisal, the Lemmy experiment has failed.
This is the biggest fucking loser nerd shit i've ever read on this site lmfao.
Go outside and touch grass
So what if it is the original? Bad moderation, combined with idolation of authoritarianism is some poisonous stuff.
The question is if admins are willing to have an open conversation about the moderation and content.
But deFederation is a fine solution. Then the admins on .ml have their way and they can have their little hermit kingdom without any dissenting views. And we can go on with out lives without their bile in our feeds and threads.
It's crazy that people here want the most authoritarian measure to fight authoritarianism somehow...
What people, what authoritarian measure?
You mean it is strange that sane, normal people want to stop authoritarian/totalitarian fanboys from spreading hatefull falsehoods, stifling dissent using bans and heavy moderation? By using the tools at their disposal and telling these smegheads to f- off? Plenty of speech is deemed unacceptable: holocaust denial, swatstikas, from the river to the sea, white power, just to name a few.
Well if that is your idea of what should be acceptable, we disagree. The Overton window should remain in the middle and not be allowed to stretch to include these extremist views. Not from the "right" or "left".
This thread is about de federating from lemmy.lm. Because some fascists here are on a witch hunt against some people from hexbear.
It is literally telling everyone that either they defederate from hexbear or they defederate from lemmy.world.
Typical trump diplomacy btw.
I think the issue is way bigger than hexbear, or maybe they are mask off on hexbear. But hexbear, lemmygrad and lemmy.ml can be their own little island archipelago for all I care. If this helps people not have to deal with these idiots.
Keep calling everyone fascists and trump-ets, it does not help your argument.
You see, now you're saving the people from the evil leftist propaganda.
No just from tankies that most likely are paid propaganda and dissent posters, is all.
I think I've see two comments from tankies. Meanwhile I see fascists and radical liberals several times a week.
Tankies like you are the reason people think leftists like me call everyone they don't like fascists.
Hexbear is a fascist website. You are an idiot.
I'm not a tankie, and I see far more fascists than I see tankies. In fact I've seen maybe two tankies comments on lemmy while I see fascists several times a week.
Really. What fascists have you seen? How do you know they're fascists? What's your political ideology?
When people support a genocide I tend to consider them fascists. When they consider leftists to be extremist of fascist, they are usually fascist themselves. When they promote authoritarianism, intolerance, xenophobia,... When people talk about wokes or wokism, they're usually fascists. When they support US imperialism.
Most fascists blind themselves though, and the propaganda picture anyone against the fascists as fascists.
The biggest lie to picture the left as fascist simply because they don't support liberalism. Leftists have always been the first victims of fascism. That should give you a hint.
Being mistaken about the nature of fascism or disagreeing with people on the left does not make someone a fascist. What definition of fascist are you using that allows that?
And what definition of tankie is used here? I've been called a tankie several times on this thread and on lemmy while I discovered this word here on lemmy.
Are you concerned you might be a fascist or are you trying to disregard and disqualify me based on whtt I consider a fascist?
My point is that here there is a witch hunt against supposed tankies whyle fascists are welcome. Considering the political climate in western countries, do you think fascism or tankism will be more prevalent? Why is the fight against tankies so much more prevalent on lemmy.world then?
I generally regard people who perform apologetics for fascist states and insist that anyone who doesn't agree with them isn't left-wing while simultaneously decrying sectarianism as "tankies".
I called you a tankie because tankies tend to refer to people as "fascist" wantonly and haphazardly. You even admitted that you consider people who disagree with what you refer to as leftists to be fascist, which lends credence to my assessment. I actually can't say that you really are what I would consider a tankie, and I'm certainly willing to admit that I was wrong.
My definition of fascism is as such: Fascism is a political strategy that seeks to preserve, create, and entrench structures and relationships of power imbalance by means of promoting and facilitating mass, broad-spectrum chauvinism in ways that are likely to encourage widespread individual and systemic violence. "Chauvinism" here-in refers to an irrational belief that one's own identity makes them superior. Note that this definition essentially covers the 14 characteristics of fascism as detailed by Umberto Eco, and generalizes them. It is not a type of governance nor is it a coherent political philosophy.
I'm not afraid that I may be a fascist because I constantly analyze my own thoughts and I'm very critical of myself. I also don't really care if you think I'm a fascist or not, because I already believe that your opinion on the matter isn't valuable given what you've already said.
Now if you answer the question I already asked instead of playing this game, I'll be happy to address the rest of your comment. So, again: What definition of fascism are you using?
I asked you about tankies, not fascists.
Going on a witch hunt against tankies and calling tankies everyone who disagree with you is not really showing you under a good light. As you said, referring to people as tankies want only and haphazardly will make you called a fascists, because only the fascists are hunting down tankies with definitions known to them only.
Again, throughout history the leftists are the first to fight and to be hunted down by the fascists. And as a matter of fact, the fight and the hunt has started in the western world.
Sure, Russia and China are fascists countries and bad in many ways. But USA and Europe are turning fascist too. That is what concerns me. And turning fascist in order to fight Russia or China is just stupid.
>Fascism is a political strategy that seeks to preserve, create, and entrench structures and relationships of power imbalance by means of promoting and facilitating mass, broad-spectrum chauvinism in ways that are likely to encourage widespread individual and systemic violence.
fascism is a social theory that elevates the interests of the state above all else, bringing all other institutions into line with the goals of the state.
sometimes, this will require strict stratification. people will not support the state while thy don't believe in the fairness of the stratification.
chauvinism may be a useful tool to some regimes, but it's not necessary or sufficient to identify a society as fascist.
imho.
If that's what it takes I'm ready to switch to a new platform today. Let's fork and make something healthy.
You might also be interested in checking out kbin, mbin, SubLinks (under development), or PieFed. they each emerged for the reasons we are talking about. They are all free to try and AFAIK interoperable with lemmy for the time being.
Thank you. I've been hearing bad things about Kbin the last few weeks, but Mbin and SubLinks sound promising.