Github probably didn't receive a cease and desist yet, but I doubt they'll put up a fight against Nintendo.
I highly suggest starting to familiarize ourselves with federated git repos. I‘m testing forgejo atm hoping to be able to host it publicly at some point. That way, once something is out there, its pretty much everywhere.
the issue isn't federation or anything like that, the issue is finding a repo hosting service in a dmca resilient country
Yeah, I get that. But I dont think that its possible to really dmca every fork of a repo on 20 countries without running out of resources at some point because when one fork is taken down, people will make 10 more. the important part is discoverability imo. Feel free to educate me in case this is missing a point.
its easy enough to send angry shit to every server, dmca and whatever rights violations they can think up, and it can become an issue.
Of course, the Federation is great, but you still need an instance that's in one of those privacy-oriented countries.
You can get chatgpt to do this. Or write a simple script.
-- A wild Codeberg appeared. --
Codeberg is a collaboration platform providing Git hosting and services for free and open source software, content and projects.
The organization selected the European Union for their headquarters and computer infrastructure, due to members' concerns that a software project repository hosted in the United States could be removed if a malicious actor made bad faith copyright claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
In June 2022 the Software Freedom Conservancy's"Give Up Github" campaign (in response to the GitHub Copilot licensing controversy) promoted Codeberg as an alternative to GitHub.
Unfortunately using codeberg itself is kinda crap. Its not the worst thing in the world, but it still has zero discoverability , and is missing features like code search.
Federated git repos doesn't mean that the source code will be replicated across instances. It just means you can do things like create tickets and pull requests across instances.
Not sure I understand. I should be able to fork a public repo across instances, no? Why bother otherwise?
Federation has nothing to do with that capability. git clone exists since the beginning of git.
hmmmm... I see your point. Maybe I wasnt explaining my point clear enough. Right now, I cant see someones fork of some software if I'm on some gitlab which is not federated afaik. I should have said discoverability I guess. Does that make more sense?
I mean, not saying anyone should, because evading copyright is bad. But technically, you could run say forgejo as an onion service. Connecting git to clone from it would take some extra steps but, if hidden well it'd make it somewhat harder to take down.
My man, you're commenting on the piracy community, in the piracy instance, run by a former /r/piracy mod.
Evading oppressive mechanics is always a great idea imho but I digress.
I'm not really talking about making it unable to be taken down, which is already what happens when you put it in a non public repo. I'm talking about exhausting the corpo and damaging their image for going after people using software to play their bought games on their pc. It could kick off a trend of peeps shaming corpos (especially nintendo) for going after legit players who want control of their devices and property. (whoever feels like pointing out that "technically you just own a license", just dont).
Well, I run forgejo for my own stuff. So, let's say I decided to host something that is subject to a copyright complaint. As soon as people start using your repo and their lawyers get a whiff of it, they'll just take the IP of your server and DMCA the owner of the IP. Whether it be me, or the host. It's an entity they can go after and will need to yield to appropriate law. The effect would be the same as the DMCA going to Github.
But on tor, it hides the entity operating and running the server. Making it a lot harder to find the person to even send the DMCA to, let alone start the legal wheels turning, if it were ignored.
Thats pretty awesome, ngl. Definitely something to keep in mind.
But think about 10.000 forks and 10.000 letters to 10.000 ips. This would create so much damage its not even funny. :)
Like a tiktok trend. „go to againstcyberoppression.com and download this hardcoded, federated forgejo instance with this repo to give nintendos lawyers something to choke on“
I bet they would give up if this goes viral!
I’m talking about exhausting the corpo and damaging their imag
All you'll be exhausting is an AI. They're using AIs now to write the DMCA requests, which actually does lead me to wonder if such takedown requests are even legal (an AI can't, to my knowledge, legally represent the interests of a legal person). But the point is, if you're thinking of "exhausting a corpo" you're thinking it wrong.
Please tell me more why my thinking is wrong /s
Because you are not exhausting parts that actually get exhausted, nor that can actually get a harm to reputation in their industry due to association to the corpo. If you want to go after a corpo, you go after the employees, the physical facilities (they cost money and time to rebuild / migrate) and, if possible, the jobhunters.
When I create a fork (in the web UI) does my instance not git clone from the source instance? Not going around cloning random federated repos I can see, but...
At least not one that's hosted in a country where the IP mafia has any power, which is unfortunately most countries excluding places like Russia or China where you probably wouldn't want to host it anyhow due to a variety of other, uh… issues
As long as you host the checksums elsewhere so that users can verify the repo hasn't been tampered with, you can host files in China or Russia just fine.
That's assuming that the only potential issue you care about is tampering though
What else would I care for? We're talking about piracy, so I wouldn't turn the choice of a server location into a human rights debate.
You can definitely care about whatever you want. Human rights aren't the only potential issue though, but there's things like eg. do you trust that you'll be able to retain control of the site. So for example if you set it up in Russia and you're not Russian, do you trust the Russian government not to pull the rug out from under your feet at some point?
Well they might, even if I you were Russian. But that's what off-site backups are there for. It's less likely for them to pull control than it is for a Western platform though, so still a win vs. Github.
What kind of logic is that? It is perfectly reasonable to care about human rights and totalitarianism but not for copyrights. In fact it seems a bit questionable that you would use the speeding ticket of online rule violations as an excuse to completely discard any other moral considerations.
Ultimately it's your choice of course, but still. Questionable reasoning
(I am not the person you replied to)
The problem with this argument is that you are ruling out entire countries for the acts of corrupt governments.
Thing is there is no such thing as a clean government. Everybody has skeletons in their closet.
A server is an emotionless piece of hardware, regardless of where it stands. Geo-arbitration is just that, in my eyes.
archive.org is cool and all, but a centralized service will never be a reliable way to truly archive something.
this repo still lives and we still have Suyu that looks promising, So, no worries atm https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases/tag/EA-4176
Github probably didn't receive a cease and desist yet, but I doubt they'll put up a fight against Nintendo.
I highly suggest starting to familiarize ourselves with federated git repos. I‘m testing forgejo atm hoping to be able to host it publicly at some point. That way, once something is out there, its pretty much everywhere.
the issue isn't federation or anything like that, the issue is finding a repo hosting service in a dmca resilient country
Yeah, I get that. But I dont think that its possible to really dmca every fork of a repo on 20 countries without running out of resources at some point because when one fork is taken down, people will make 10 more. the important part is discoverability imo. Feel free to educate me in case this is missing a point.
its easy enough to send angry shit to every server, dmca and whatever rights violations they can think up, and it can become an issue.
Of course, the Federation is great, but you still need an instance that's in one of those privacy-oriented countries.
You can get chatgpt to do this. Or write a simple script.
-- A wild Codeberg appeared. --
Website: Codeberg.org
Wikipedia: Codeberg e.V.
Conservancy: Give Up GitHub!
Certainly better than the U.S. in that regard but I wouldn't consider Germany "resilient" either.
Unfortunately using codeberg itself is kinda crap. Its not the worst thing in the world, but it still has zero discoverability , and is missing features like code search.
it does have potential though if it is resilient.
The DMCA only applies in the US. Every other country doesn't give a shit about your DMCA request.
and yet, they still obey them...
And even EU based companies will bow down to DMCA takedown demands, if they want to serve American customers.
Federated git repos doesn't mean that the source code will be replicated across instances. It just means you can do things like create tickets and pull requests across instances.
Not sure I understand. I should be able to fork a public repo across instances, no? Why bother otherwise?
Federation has nothing to do with that capability.
git cloneexists since the beginning of git.hmmmm... I see your point. Maybe I wasnt explaining my point clear enough. Right now, I cant see someones fork of some software if I'm on some gitlab which is not federated afaik. I should have said discoverability I guess. Does that make more sense?
I mean, not saying anyone should, because evading copyright is bad. But technically, you could run say forgejo as an onion service. Connecting git to clone from it would take some extra steps but, if hidden well it'd make it somewhat harder to take down.
My man, you're commenting on the piracy community, in the piracy instance, run by a former /r/piracy mod.
Evading oppressive mechanics is always a great idea imho but I digress.
I'm not really talking about making it unable to be taken down, which is already what happens when you put it in a non public repo. I'm talking about exhausting the corpo and damaging their image for going after people using software to play their bought games on their pc. It could kick off a trend of peeps shaming corpos (especially nintendo) for going after legit players who want control of their devices and property. (whoever feels like pointing out that "technically you just own a license", just dont).
Well, I run forgejo for my own stuff. So, let's say I decided to host something that is subject to a copyright complaint. As soon as people start using your repo and their lawyers get a whiff of it, they'll just take the IP of your server and DMCA the owner of the IP. Whether it be me, or the host. It's an entity they can go after and will need to yield to appropriate law. The effect would be the same as the DMCA going to Github.
But on tor, it hides the entity operating and running the server. Making it a lot harder to find the person to even send the DMCA to, let alone start the legal wheels turning, if it were ignored.
Thats pretty awesome, ngl. Definitely something to keep in mind.
But think about 10.000 forks and 10.000 letters to 10.000 ips. This would create so much damage its not even funny. :)
Like a tiktok trend. „go to againstcyberoppression.com and download this hardcoded, federated forgejo instance with this repo to give nintendos lawyers something to choke on“
I bet they would give up if this goes viral!
All you'll be exhausting is an AI. They're using AIs now to write the DMCA requests, which actually does lead me to wonder if such takedown requests are even legal (an AI can't, to my knowledge, legally represent the interests of a legal person). But the point is, if you're thinking of "exhausting a corpo" you're thinking it wrong.
Please tell me more why my thinking is wrong /s
Because you are not exhausting parts that actually get exhausted, nor that can actually get a harm to reputation in their industry due to association to the corpo. If you want to go after a corpo, you go after the employees, the physical facilities (they cost money and time to rebuild / migrate) and, if possible, the jobhunters.
When I create a fork (in the web UI) does my instance not
git clonefrom the source instance? Not going around cloning random federated repos I can see, but...At least not one that's hosted in a country where the IP mafia has any power, which is unfortunately most countries excluding places like Russia or China where you probably wouldn't want to host it anyhow due to a variety of other, uh… issues
As long as you host the checksums elsewhere so that users can verify the repo hasn't been tampered with, you can host files in China or Russia just fine.
That's assuming that the only potential issue you care about is tampering though
What else would I care for? We're talking about piracy, so I wouldn't turn the choice of a server location into a human rights debate.
You can definitely care about whatever you want. Human rights aren't the only potential issue though, but there's things like eg. do you trust that you'll be able to retain control of the site. So for example if you set it up in Russia and you're not Russian, do you trust the Russian government not to pull the rug out from under your feet at some point?
Well they might, even if I you were Russian. But that's what off-site backups are there for. It's less likely for them to pull control than it is for a Western platform though, so still a win vs. Github.
What kind of logic is that? It is perfectly reasonable to care about human rights and totalitarianism but not for copyrights. In fact it seems a bit questionable that you would use the speeding ticket of online rule violations as an excuse to completely discard any other moral considerations.
Ultimately it's your choice of course, but still. Questionable reasoning
(I am not the person you replied to)
The problem with this argument is that you are ruling out entire countries for the acts of corrupt governments. Thing is there is no such thing as a clean government. Everybody has skeletons in their closet.
A server is an emotionless piece of hardware, regardless of where it stands. Geo-arbitration is just that, in my eyes.
This isn't hard. Torrent with a seed box somewhere outside of copyright enforcement is likely the best option as a "backup" source.
🤔torrent based git server, is this a thing?
I think they're doing a damn fine job archiving something, and in reliable ways too
Til it gets taken down and dismantled. Yes.
I wonder if IPFS would help in this case...
::: spoiler Anti Commercial AI thingy CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 :::
Your license thingy broke since that thread where you explained your script. It doesn't spoiler anymore.
What does it look like for you? I'm on the web client
::: spoiler Anti Commercial AI thingy CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 :::
Maybe it's just the Boost app I'm using
Probably. Does the Boost app support spoiler in another fashion?
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
The Eternity app does the same thing as Boost.
Nothing good is allowed to exist but in shadows. Shadow archives are essential.
Assassin's Creed 1 & 2 were trying to tell us something.
IPFS?
A decentralized storage providing service based on blockchain technology, if I understood that correctly