I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.
Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?
But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.
Yup, see the person below you saying almost exactly that in more clinical - but clearly sincere - terms.
Edit: When I say they are "sincere" that is not to say there is any merit to what they are saying. I'm pointing out that they actually believe this garbage is justification for the mass slaughter of children.
Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.
Are semitic people white? If so, so are the Arabs.
Hamas kidnap kills then kidnap a bunch of israeli people
hide them among civilians and within even their refugee camps
IDF frees some of them
Lots of civilian casualties
Pro-Pal peeps, oh no, look what the IDF did
I'm glad the hostages were saved, and can't wait for hamas to lose.
Israel is committing war crimes, so of course it is white, duh!
So you're fine with 200+ dead civilians to save 4 hostages?
This echo chamber doesn't want to hear about the fact that Hamas is a murderous terror group that intentionally endangers Palestinian civilians to further its religious and political cause.
Because it is victim blaming bullshit to justify the genocide against Palestinians. Whatever Hamas is doesn't justify the atrocities committed by Israel especially since Oct. 7 but also the Decades before. Did you know more than 500 Palestinians were murdered in the Westbank since Oct. 7? There is no Hamas there, but now that the Israeli fascists can get away with it, they enjoy their impunity as they murder, rape and pillage.
You are right but that does work both ways.
Whatever fucked things Hamas has done, is not a blank cheque for Israel to murder innocent people.
While at the same time
Whatever fucked things Israel has done, is not a blank cheque for Hamas to murder innocent people.
No one's justifying Hamas here what the fuck are you smoking??
There was a ceasefire on Oct. 6. Then Hamas and other Palestinian fighters started the present conflict in Gaza on Oct.7. I won't recount how because Lemmy doesn't like to hear when what they perceive to be a victim group commits unthinkable atrocities. But then they took these hostages back into Gaza, and hid them in tunnels under civilian infrastructure. This is fact. Hamas started the present war, but everyone only blames Israel. I believe this qualifies as what you call victim blaming bullshit.
The war started in 1947, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people, any hand waving about some other starting point, is intentional revisionism by the Zionists to cover the scope and scale of their crimes. Which has now grown to a scale rivaling any genocidal you wish to name.
Regional tension has been going on for far longer than that, but Hamas is the elected government currently in Gaza. They began the current fighting. End of story.
There was a ceasefire on October 6? Then how come more than 200 Palestinians have been murdered by the Israeli occupation in 2023 before October 6?
Maybe for the same reason that Hamas fires rockets into Israeli territory all the time, or pledges to kill as many jews as they can.
It's only 200 people. How many people am I worth? 200 kidnappers? 199kidnapers and I kid? 198 kidnappers, 2 kids, 3 moms, 5 elders and cousin Vinny? Couldn't they just get the victims out and catch the kidnappers instead?
They even lost one of their own soldiers in the process
And killed 3 other hostages in the massacre
Obviously it’s good to minimize collateral damage and casualties wherever possible. But I see no issue with this result.
If a country values the lives of their citizens they will rescue them and spill any blood needed. Conversely, a nation that values its cut will try to minimize the harm that could come to them and keep hostages far from where they are.
If a terrorist holds hostages in amongst hundreds of INNOCENT PEOPLE it's fine to massacre them all. When you could have just got all your hostages released by accepting peace. Cool moral compass you have there
If it was my family or countrymen being held then absolutely the military should do what is necessary to secure their release.
If it were my country, I would want peace. Israel will never have peace until Palestine has peace. That will never be gained via military means.
Not with that attitude.
What part did you disagree with?
What if Hamas is spilling blood because they value their citizens and land?
because they value their citizens
Hiding hostages in a highly populated residential area, without any means of self defense or even evacuation safe zones, is not called valuing the citizens. It's called using them as leverage, something terrorists love doing to civilians.
What did the spilling of blood on oct.7 did to Palestinians? Make them live in hell for over 8 months? Make thousands die? And for what, for massacring Israelis? What do you think Hamas has done in oct.7 that would make you think they "value their citizens" - coz to me it only looks like they just wanna kill jews.
What makes you think they don't think that? In the end palastine was occupied by Israelis. It said a good government spills blood for its citizen, how can you be so god damn stubborn to not see that this point holds just as valid for palastine and Hamas. Of course you can cherry pick one thing that is not protecting citizen but I believe you can do the same thing with Israel. Like the US is constantly fucking up its own people, I'm sure you can cherry pick an event in Israel too. How much thought went into the citizens as they came up with the idea to plant Israel in the middle of a Jewish hate triangle where they are threatened and attacked on a so regular basis, they need stuff like the fucking Iron Dome in their cities?
What do you mean? Of course they do. It's not a contradiction, because they are adversaries.
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I'm glad more hostages are free, but for me it doesn't sit well the result... 200 people dead to save 4. At least the IDF are improving, luckily this time they didn't kill the hostages.
Who is organizing these rescue operations? Homelander?
But to the IDF the 200 people killed weren't people. So the math maths.
Yup, see the person below you saying almost exactly that in more clinical - but clearly sincere - terms.
Edit: When I say they are "sincere" that is not to say there is any merit to what they are saying. I'm pointing out that they actually believe this garbage is justification for the mass slaughter of children.
Hamas is already willing to agree to the US peace plan, so the only thing preventing the rest of the hostages making it to their homes is political will, and with much less risk.
Are semitic people white? If so, so are the Arabs.
I'm glad the hostages were saved, and can't wait for hamas to lose.
Israel is committing war crimes, so of course it is white, duh!
So you're fine with 200+ dead civilians to save 4 hostages?
This echo chamber doesn't want to hear about the fact that Hamas is a murderous terror group that intentionally endangers Palestinian civilians to further its religious and political cause.
Because it is victim blaming bullshit to justify the genocide against Palestinians. Whatever Hamas is doesn't justify the atrocities committed by Israel especially since Oct. 7 but also the Decades before. Did you know more than 500 Palestinians were murdered in the Westbank since Oct. 7? There is no Hamas there, but now that the Israeli fascists can get away with it, they enjoy their impunity as they murder, rape and pillage.
You are right but that does work both ways.
Whatever fucked things Hamas has done, is not a blank cheque for Israel to murder innocent people.
While at the same time
Whatever fucked things Israel has done, is not a blank cheque for Hamas to murder innocent people.
No one's justifying Hamas here what the fuck are you smoking??
There was a ceasefire on Oct. 6. Then Hamas and other Palestinian fighters started the present conflict in Gaza on Oct.7. I won't recount how because Lemmy doesn't like to hear when what they perceive to be a victim group commits unthinkable atrocities. But then they took these hostages back into Gaza, and hid them in tunnels under civilian infrastructure. This is fact. Hamas started the present war, but everyone only blames Israel. I believe this qualifies as what you call victim blaming bullshit.
The war started in 1947, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people, any hand waving about some other starting point, is intentional revisionism by the Zionists to cover the scope and scale of their crimes. Which has now grown to a scale rivaling any genocidal you wish to name.
Regional tension has been going on for far longer than that, but Hamas is the elected government currently in Gaza. They began the current fighting. End of story.
There was a ceasefire on October 6? Then how come more than 200 Palestinians have been murdered by the Israeli occupation in 2023 before October 6?
Maybe for the same reason that Hamas fires rockets into Israeli territory all the time, or pledges to kill as many jews as they can.
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It's only 200 people. How many people am I worth? 200 kidnappers? 199kidnapers and I kid? 198 kidnappers, 2 kids, 3 moms, 5 elders and cousin Vinny? Couldn't they just get the victims out and catch the kidnappers instead?
They even lost one of their own soldiers in the process
And killed 3 other hostages in the massacre
Obviously it’s good to minimize collateral damage and casualties wherever possible. But I see no issue with this result.
If a country values the lives of their citizens they will rescue them and spill any blood needed. Conversely, a nation that values its cut will try to minimize the harm that could come to them and keep hostages far from where they are.
If a terrorist holds hostages in amongst hundreds of INNOCENT PEOPLE it's fine to massacre them all. When you could have just got all your hostages released by accepting peace. Cool moral compass you have there
If it was my family or countrymen being held then absolutely the military should do what is necessary to secure their release.
If it were my country, I would want peace. Israel will never have peace until Palestine has peace. That will never be gained via military means.
Not with that attitude.
What part did you disagree with?
What if Hamas is spilling blood because they value their citizens and land?
Hiding hostages in a highly populated residential area, without any means of self defense or even evacuation safe zones, is not called valuing the citizens. It's called using them as leverage, something terrorists love doing to civilians.
What did the spilling of blood on oct.7 did to Palestinians? Make them live in hell for over 8 months? Make thousands die? And for what, for massacring Israelis? What do you think Hamas has done in oct.7 that would make you think they "value their citizens" - coz to me it only looks like they just wanna kill jews.
What makes you think they don't think that? In the end palastine was occupied by Israelis. It said a good government spills blood for its citizen, how can you be so god damn stubborn to not see that this point holds just as valid for palastine and Hamas. Of course you can cherry pick one thing that is not protecting citizen but I believe you can do the same thing with Israel. Like the US is constantly fucking up its own people, I'm sure you can cherry pick an event in Israel too. How much thought went into the citizens as they came up with the idea to plant Israel in the middle of a Jewish hate triangle where they are threatened and attacked on a so regular basis, they need stuff like the fucking Iron Dome in their cities?
What do you mean? Of course they do. It's not a contradiction, because they are adversaries.