CEO admits to whistleblowers being disciplined at work (which everyone knew, he just is saying it)... suddenly becomes He admitted murder!
Sad. If you make up a reality because you feel that way, you are no better then they are.
He doesn't have to admit murder but it is right in front of your face. Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.
Another thing is the kind of person and even entity/organization it takes to discipline a whistleblower for literally looking out for the public wellbeing such in this case. It takes a sociopath with no regard for human life. If they would discipline them at work what else would they do in private?
Guy 1 who suddenly committed suicide? sure. Guy 2 would need about a hundred people to keep the secret and that's just not happening.
Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.
Yeah, that second guy, they went all biological right? I mean they gave him the flu to get him to the hospital. Once there, and in his weakened state, they sprang MRSA on him! That way, when they caused the parting shot with a stroke, no one would suspect!
Conspiracy is a lot of fun! Lets add aliens. I mean the whole reason why this is all so hush hush is the government is in a contract with the Aliens from Alpha Centauri and these people stumbled onto it. It is so obvious!
I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
All of those things were/are just another Tuesday class for your average KGB spook, not impossible at all. In a 100+ Billion dollar defense contractor I imagine you could find more than one person willing to shut up and take the giant bag, hell you can buy a congressman to sell out a whole community for like 10k
No that's the problem. Once someone is in a hospital there's a paper trail a mile long. If you wanted to assassinate someone then the hospital is the last place you would do it. You'd need to pay off a hundred people and hope none of them ever decides to talk. Or you start killing them off but then how long does it take big data FBI to connect those dots?
If guy number 2 was somehow DOA at the hospital or already infected with something irreversible then you'd have a case. But flu to hospital MRSA case to Stroke just isn't how anyone who cared about remaining free and anonymous would kill someone.
One person. That’s all it takes.
They find the person shopping or something, routine. Spritz some flu into their face. (Well, more discretely, but yeah.)
They go to the hospital, pay the guy a visit when, spritz some MRSA on his linens or something. Plenty of opportunity. Even better, spritz it on everyone’s linens so it looks like an outbreak.
Slip in, visit the guy and inject a stroke causing drug. Maybe even something as innocuous as just injecting an air bubble into his artery.
Maybe a small support team. But really, you think Boeing doesn’t already have a hitter on the payroll?
This isn't Hollywood. You can't just walk into an ICU ward and inject someone.
Well, I have not done the injecting bit, but I have just walked into more than one ICU… It’s not hard. Nurses and security both are over staffed and underpaid.
(I work in contract security- at one point part of my job was pen testing. Chilled with an interesting fellow named Edgar, while waiting to get caught. Didn’t have anyone to talk to, so, we just chatted. Mostly he chatted.)
harder at night but only because there’s fewer people.
Unless there’s a specific reason someone needs high security… the security is largely a joke.
So the fact that you got paid to tell them their ICU was effectively open to the public doesn't ring any alarm bells that that's not supposed to be the case?
There's quite a bit of difference between "open to the public" and "easy to penetrate". The reason we were pentesting for them is to figure out how bad it was, and where we needed to focus for improvement. It's not hard to get into, especially considering that most ICU's allow guests during certain times.
security is always a balancing act between being secure and pretty much everything else. A building with no doors or windows is far more secure, but also pretty much useless. a working hospital- especially large ones- have small army of people working there; as well as veritable hordes of people visiting for dozens of different reasons on a regular basis; It's almost impossible to verify that everyone in the building is supposed to be there; and the risk of someone being an assassination target with out that person knowing about it and discussing it with the staff is extremely rare.
All this to say, if Boeing wanted to get someone dead at a hospital, it would be trivial for them. Maybe expensive, but functionally trivial.
Killing someone is always trivial. That's not the sticking point. The sticking point is making it look like an accident or natural death and failing that, not getting caught. That's where the exploding number of people who need to be paid off comes into play.
And we’re back to… one or two people…
Maybe a few suppliers for the virus/drugs/whatever. But that can be obtained in places that don’t ask too many questions, and Boeing has the resources to do that. They don’t even need to be black market.
Yes you can lol. Do you think ICU wards are some high security facility? At worst you would have to get someone admissioned to the same hospital, be a visitor and on the way out pass by the other room quickly.
It doesn't need to be. And ICUs are bays, not rooms.
Have you ever stepped foot outside of your parents house before?
No, is it bright outside?
Some day after you graduate homeschool you might find out.
There have been multiple nurses that have killed people over periods of years.
It's nowhere near as impossible as you seem to think it is.
Charles Cullen, a nurse, murdered dozens—possibly hundreds—of patients during a 16-year career spanning several New Jersey and Pennsylvania medical centers until being arrested in 2003.
William Davis, who worked at Christus Mother Frances Hospital in Tyler, Texas, fatally injected four patients with air.
Nurse Heather Pressdee pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and 19 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder.
Reta Mays, a former nursing assistant, killed seven elderly veterans with fatal injections of insulin at a West Virginia hospital.
The list sadly goes on and on and on. There's even an entire Wikipedia article about it. And those are just the crazies that did for their own enjoyment.
You're blissfully very naïve about this.
I'm really not. Serial killers exist isn't evidence it's easy to get away with killing in a hospital. In fact the very existence of the list proves they're getting caught.
Countless evidence of people commiting multiple murders, sometimes for decades at a time, and that somehow means one person couldn't possibly be killed in the same setting...
So you're not naive, you're just willfully stupid. Got it.
You're right, all these whistleblowers are dying completely naturally and it's not suspicious at all.
I'd still fly in a Boeing until I hear about them start to get recalled/grounded/etc more, but you must be pretty naive if you don't see that these deaths are suspicious and don't think that companies in the United States of America, the land of big business, out of all countries in the world, could have legislative and other protections.
No they are not that suspicious at all. The first death served no purpose unless you really believe it was a "fuck you" death.
The second wasnt much better, but come on, they really got a hospital involved? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
I DO think CEO's, members of the board, and rich shareholders have legislative and other protections. At the very least the ability to send lawyers to court for the rest of their lives if they had to. I believe they can get away with quite a lot, and probably make money doing it even if caught. So none of that, NONE of that means resorting to murder. There just isn't really a need to.
If this were a case of targeted blackmail, perhaps somekind of love affair gone wrong or some kind or really nasty shit, then I could see it.
You can ruin peoples lives, create shoddy products, pollute the land, boss people around, and you won't get in any trouble if you are rich. No need to murder anyone.
Barnett was found dead to an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound after officers were sent to his hotel because he missed a deposition hearing… for a lawsuit against Boeing.
Dead, single gunshot wound, in a car. You think that’s not suspicious at all?
Third day of deposition.
After fighting Boeing since 2017. Losing the first court case by the way.
An entire movie about this came out in 2022.
It sounds like a desperate person who had enough.
Why kill him now? Wad something going to come out that already hadn't? Or wad this person tired of fighting and feeling helpless.
You could argue that maybe Boeing killed him in the long run.
But with 50,000 people taking their lived a year in the US I tend to think a lot of people are just broken. And i can't blame them.
Also, you are suggesting the police were in on it since they ruled out foul play too?
Although I don't trust them either. So fair enough on that one.
It sounds like a desperate person who had enough.
funny that everyone who knew him, didn't think he was even remotely suicidal. Also as for the 'why now' because now it's got publicity and traction.
As for the cops ruling out foul play... it's pretty easy to fake a suicide by gunshot... but yes, I'd buy that the police were in on it in a heartbeat. have you met cops? there's a strong chance the cops were the ones who took the job.
Citation needed: everyone that knew him.
From the article linked in my original comment:
But Barnett’s lawyers said in a statement following his death that his deposition was nearing an end and he appeared to be in good spirits.
“We didn’t see any indication he would take his own life. No one can believe it,” his lawyers, Robert Turkewitz and Brian Knowles, said in a statement on March 12.
What are people going to say, "Yeah, I knew he was gonna do it, but I had other shit going on so I ignored it." Meaningless quote you hear all too often after people commit suicide unfortunately. And I don't mean to admonish anyone, but who comes out afterwards and says "Yeah, his life was shit and he was a miserable fuck it was only a matter of time."
I remember highschool people saying that. It was only the kids family, and the bullies and drama whores (that don’t know him,)
The fiends all said he was bullied and his home life wasn’t so good.
That his lawyers are saying it is more meaningful than if his family was.
Why is it more meaningful coming from lawyers then from family? I don't follow
We generally don’t see all the warts in the people closest to us, and family is more likely to want to put an idealized version of people out there.
Look at comments by parents of active shooters, to the effect of “I didn’t raise a monster, I don’t know why this happened,”.
I agree with you here but you didn't say friends, you said lawyers
Seriously? No better than the giant megacorp that caused many, many deaths, and other horrible shit they've caused or enabled, for thinking they might have caused another death or two in retaliation for exposing their crimes? Fuck off with that shit
In these comments:
CEO admits to whistleblowers being disciplined at work (which everyone knew, he just is saying it)... suddenly becomes He admitted murder!
Sad. If you make up a reality because you feel that way, you are no better then they are.
He doesn't have to admit murder but it is right in front of your face. Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.
Another thing is the kind of person and even entity/organization it takes to discipline a whistleblower for literally looking out for the public wellbeing such in this case. It takes a sociopath with no regard for human life. If they would discipline them at work what else would they do in private?
Guy 1 who suddenly committed suicide? sure. Guy 2 would need about a hundred people to keep the secret and that's just not happening.
Yeah, that second guy, they went all biological right? I mean they gave him the flu to get him to the hospital. Once there, and in his weakened state, they sprang MRSA on him! That way, when they caused the parting shot with a stroke, no one would suspect!
Conspiracy is a lot of fun! Lets add aliens. I mean the whole reason why this is all so hush hush is the government is in a contract with the Aliens from Alpha Centauri and these people stumbled onto it. It is so obvious!
I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
All of those things were/are just another Tuesday class for your average KGB spook, not impossible at all. In a 100+ Billion dollar defense contractor I imagine you could find more than one person willing to shut up and take the giant bag, hell you can buy a congressman to sell out a whole community for like 10k
No that's the problem. Once someone is in a hospital there's a paper trail a mile long. If you wanted to assassinate someone then the hospital is the last place you would do it. You'd need to pay off a hundred people and hope none of them ever decides to talk. Or you start killing them off but then how long does it take big data FBI to connect those dots?
If guy number 2 was somehow DOA at the hospital or already infected with something irreversible then you'd have a case. But flu to hospital MRSA case to Stroke just isn't how anyone who cared about remaining free and anonymous would kill someone.
One person. That’s all it takes.
They find the person shopping or something, routine. Spritz some flu into their face. (Well, more discretely, but yeah.)
They go to the hospital, pay the guy a visit when, spritz some MRSA on his linens or something. Plenty of opportunity. Even better, spritz it on everyone’s linens so it looks like an outbreak.
Slip in, visit the guy and inject a stroke causing drug. Maybe even something as innocuous as just injecting an air bubble into his artery.
Maybe a small support team. But really, you think Boeing doesn’t already have a hitter on the payroll?
This isn't Hollywood. You can't just walk into an ICU ward and inject someone.
Well, I have not done the injecting bit, but I have just walked into more than one ICU… It’s not hard. Nurses and security both are over staffed and underpaid.
(I work in contract security- at one point part of my job was pen testing. Chilled with an interesting fellow named Edgar, while waiting to get caught. Didn’t have anyone to talk to, so, we just chatted. Mostly he chatted.)
harder at night but only because there’s fewer people.
Unless there’s a specific reason someone needs high security… the security is largely a joke.
So the fact that you got paid to tell them their ICU was effectively open to the public doesn't ring any alarm bells that that's not supposed to be the case?
There's quite a bit of difference between "open to the public" and "easy to penetrate". The reason we were pentesting for them is to figure out how bad it was, and where we needed to focus for improvement. It's not hard to get into, especially considering that most ICU's allow guests during certain times.
security is always a balancing act between being secure and pretty much everything else. A building with no doors or windows is far more secure, but also pretty much useless. a working hospital- especially large ones- have small army of people working there; as well as veritable hordes of people visiting for dozens of different reasons on a regular basis; It's almost impossible to verify that everyone in the building is supposed to be there; and the risk of someone being an assassination target with out that person knowing about it and discussing it with the staff is extremely rare.
All this to say, if Boeing wanted to get someone dead at a hospital, it would be trivial for them. Maybe expensive, but functionally trivial.
Killing someone is always trivial. That's not the sticking point. The sticking point is making it look like an accident or natural death and failing that, not getting caught. That's where the exploding number of people who need to be paid off comes into play.
And we’re back to… one or two people… Maybe a few suppliers for the virus/drugs/whatever. But that can be obtained in places that don’t ask too many questions, and Boeing has the resources to do that. They don’t even need to be black market.
Now you're an expert in killing people? Lol
Yes you can lol. Do you think ICU wards are some high security facility? At worst you would have to get someone admissioned to the same hospital, be a visitor and on the way out pass by the other room quickly.
It doesn't need to be. And ICUs are bays, not rooms.
Have you ever stepped foot outside of your parents house before?
No, is it bright outside?
Some day after you graduate homeschool you might find out.
But momma said I got a special certificate!
There have been multiple nurses that have killed people over periods of years.
It's nowhere near as impossible as you seem to think it is.
Charles Cullen, a nurse, murdered dozens—possibly hundreds—of patients during a 16-year career spanning several New Jersey and Pennsylvania medical centers until being arrested in 2003.
William Davis, who worked at Christus Mother Frances Hospital in Tyler, Texas, fatally injected four patients with air.
Nurse Heather Pressdee pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and 19 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder.
Reta Mays, a former nursing assistant, killed seven elderly veterans with fatal injections of insulin at a West Virginia hospital.
The list sadly goes on and on and on. There's even an entire Wikipedia article about it. And those are just the crazies that did for their own enjoyment.
You're blissfully very naïve about this.
I'm really not. Serial killers exist isn't evidence it's easy to get away with killing in a hospital. In fact the very existence of the list proves they're getting caught.
Countless evidence of people commiting multiple murders, sometimes for decades at a time, and that somehow means one person couldn't possibly be killed in the same setting...
So you're not naive, you're just willfully stupid. Got it.
Good luck with that.
That is exactly right. That is where it all falls apart.
You're right, all these whistleblowers are dying completely naturally and it's not suspicious at all.
I'd still fly in a Boeing until I hear about them start to get recalled/grounded/etc more, but you must be pretty naive if you don't see that these deaths are suspicious and don't think that companies in the United States of America, the land of big business, out of all countries in the world, could have legislative and other protections.
No they are not that suspicious at all. The first death served no purpose unless you really believe it was a "fuck you" death.
The second wasnt much better, but come on, they really got a hospital involved? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
I DO think CEO's, members of the board, and rich shareholders have legislative and other protections. At the very least the ability to send lawyers to court for the rest of their lives if they had to. I believe they can get away with quite a lot, and probably make money doing it even if caught. So none of that, NONE of that means resorting to murder. There just isn't really a need to.
If this were a case of targeted blackmail, perhaps somekind of love affair gone wrong or some kind or really nasty shit, then I could see it.
You can ruin peoples lives, create shoddy products, pollute the land, boss people around, and you won't get in any trouble if you are rich. No need to murder anyone.
Barnett was found dead to an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound after officers were sent to his hotel because he missed a deposition hearing… for a lawsuit against Boeing.
Dead, single gunshot wound, in a car. You think that’s not suspicious at all?
Third day of deposition.
After fighting Boeing since 2017. Losing the first court case by the way.
An entire movie about this came out in 2022.
It sounds like a desperate person who had enough.
Why kill him now? Wad something going to come out that already hadn't? Or wad this person tired of fighting and feeling helpless.
You could argue that maybe Boeing killed him in the long run.
But with 50,000 people taking their lived a year in the US I tend to think a lot of people are just broken. And i can't blame them.
Also, you are suggesting the police were in on it since they ruled out foul play too?
Although I don't trust them either. So fair enough on that one.
funny that everyone who knew him, didn't think he was even remotely suicidal. Also as for the 'why now' because now it's got publicity and traction.
As for the cops ruling out foul play... it's pretty easy to fake a suicide by gunshot... but yes, I'd buy that the police were in on it in a heartbeat. have you met cops? there's a strong chance the cops were the ones who took the job.
Citation needed: everyone that knew him.
From the article linked in my original comment:
What are people going to say, "Yeah, I knew he was gonna do it, but I had other shit going on so I ignored it." Meaningless quote you hear all too often after people commit suicide unfortunately. And I don't mean to admonish anyone, but who comes out afterwards and says "Yeah, his life was shit and he was a miserable fuck it was only a matter of time."
I remember highschool people saying that. It was only the kids family, and the bullies and drama whores (that don’t know him,)
The fiends all said he was bullied and his home life wasn’t so good.
That his lawyers are saying it is more meaningful than if his family was.
Why is it more meaningful coming from lawyers then from family? I don't follow
We generally don’t see all the warts in the people closest to us, and family is more likely to want to put an idealized version of people out there.
Look at comments by parents of active shooters, to the effect of “I didn’t raise a monster, I don’t know why this happened,”.
I agree with you here but you didn't say friends, you said lawyers
You said everyone. Then cited his lawyers. Shouldn't they be in the same category as the cops?
Good luck. I'm with you. It's annoying how retarded most of Lemmy has decided to be about this story based off headlines.
Suuuuuuuure. Found the assassin! /s
Seriously? No better than the giant megacorp that caused many, many deaths, and other horrible shit they've caused or enabled, for thinking they might have caused another death or two in retaliation for exposing their crimes? Fuck off with that shit