Much as I'd like to blame Trump for everything bad that happened during his term, the pandemic and surrounding craziness caused a spike in crime, and Trump did not cause the pandemic.
Biden did not end the pandemic or its social impacts. I'd argue the pandemic isn't really over, but most of its social impacts are.
I would say Trump might deserve some of the blame for the pandemic because he cut the CDC's pandemic response funding in the 1st or 2nd year of his term.
Trump did next to nothing about the pandemic when it turns out "something" was his job
Hey, be fair. He actively worked to make it worse and committed literal acts of piracy, stealing PPE intended for blue states and giving them to his son-in-law to resell. Remember when Boston had to borrow the Pats private jet to prevent the PPE that the city bought from being stolen? You bet your ass Pepperidge Farm fucking remembers.
I don't remember much about that, but it's easy for me to believe he did about any bad deed after these last 8 years
I have worked hard to remind some of the Trump-voting Massholes I have the pleasure of interacting with on a regular basis of this. I think I've made inroads with at least one of them. I also make sure to bring this up:
"The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy."
Trump committed negligent homicide in blue states for political gain.
Biden also did next to nothing.
In fact, pretty much the entire West did next to nothing. They don't care if we live or die.
What he did do was get vaccine distribution working. That made a world of difference in fatality rates
The person you responded to has not one iota of good faith. I've seen them in dozens of threads pushing accelerationist lies. They want this country to burn.
What does this even mean? Biden just happened to benefit from research that began before he was even president.
Also continued the Trump policy of spreading vaccine misinformation in Asia to undermine China, causing countless deaths.
It means his team arranged for actual delivery, federal payments, and not just dumping it on the system, which weren't prepared
The vaccine was finished in Trump's lame duck period, Biden had to finish Trump's job because he's a psychopath and didn't feel like doing anything if he wasn't president anymore.
But vaccines are not the end of the pandemic. Biden just used them to trick everyone into thinking it's over.
COVID is still killing people.
It's not the end; it's not something that ever ends, in the same way that influenza still kills people.
But vaccines got us from a disease that was killing an awful lot more people to one where it's one that kills a few.
Where's small pox?
Also, China showed that we could have at least had lockdowns until everyone was vaccinated. Instead we let er rip and more people died from COVID under Biden than under Trump.
Smallpox is a disease where vaccination once protects you for life.
The current round of vaccines for COVID protect you for several months.
There's a difference in outcomes because of that. I'll also note that a big chunk of China didn't get vaccinated either, and that we have a really active anti-vax contingent in the US with the support of Trump and the other Republicans.
We could have kept masking and kept working from home while pumping billions more into vaccines until we could achieve eradication. We chose to let people die instead.
Also I'll note, again, that a big portion of anti-vaxx sentiment in Asia was spread by the US to undermine China. Disgusting.
There are things we could have done better; the US isn't some island of perfection, but it was on the whole, a decent response after Biden took office.
China had a decent response. New Zealand had a decent response. America's response was deeply unserious and had one of the worst death tolls on the world, with most of the deaths occuring under Biden.
I'm not interested in arguing with a BoTH SiDeS liar and never will be.
Btw thanks for being the reason trump finishes us off. Enjoy the weather in Russia
What is this toxic bullshit? You've been pretending everything is fine and gaslighting the fuck out of people like the person you're responding to, and somehow Biden showing how fucked up he is last night is her fault? Look at how you've treated people on your own side when Trump wins.
The last thing I'm communicating is "everything is fine"
The context is in the sentence.
Democrats are still probably going to win downticket, the sky isn't falling.
I know you know how the debate went last night, and I'm sure you're delighted. No need to pretend with me.
I think it's funny, but I'm still voting Dem downticket myself because I don't want Trump to have support from Congress.
Democrats should embrace it. I bet Jamal Bowman wouldn't have lost if he withdrew his support for Biden, and all the other progressives at least should do the same. Just make the election about the House and Senate and state level races.
Why do you paper all of lemmy with anti-biden sentiment if you care about preventing trump's influence? I do not buy it. I've seen this behavior from you repeatedly.
They're most likely arguing in bad faith.
"Bad faith is a sustained form of deception which consists of entertaining or pretending to entertain one set of feelings while acting as if influenced by another. It is associated with hypocrisy, breach of contract, affectation, and lip service. It may involve intentional deceit of others, or self-deception. "
Oh I know
Because I'm anti-Biden?
It's possible to be anti-Biden and anti-Trump, it's really frustrating how "if you're not with us you're against us" is the norm.
You can't pretend american politics into being viable for third parties. Until something majorly changes to make third parties have a shred of a chance, pretending they are is destructive and it's definitely often done so on purpose. That's what I'm accusing you of, since over the course of months you given zero reasons to think otherwise and 200 reasons to think so.
I'm not? I think we should focus entirely on electing Democrats down ballot and abandon Biden. Let Trump fail with a Democratically controlled House and Senate.
I honestly don't know how you engage with these people in good faith consistently.
We both know there's no good faith there.
Because they have principles you don't agree with?
"I'll drive this country off a cliff" is not a principle. It's Russian influenced accelerationism
We're still seeing the endemic effects of the pandemic because Trump did nothing.
He didn't do nothing, though. He polarized masks, and the disease itself, killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Edit: I have multiple family members that actually have become fully anti-vax since his presidency. They were NEVER anti-vax before Trump. So he's likely killed millions of people from the way he handled things.
Yes, 100% agree with you. I should have said he did nothing to address the situation, and definitely made it worse, particularly with his remarks.
In 2021 I had to take a Lyft ride in LA for work, and my driver spent the whole ride telling me about his bleach spray that he would spray up with nose and into his throat to prevent COVID smh.
Trump and the Republicans extended the pandemic in the US and made it far worse with their policies that turned many of their voters into anti-vaxx and anti-mask lunatics.
It is exhausting to hear people talk about "The Crime Wave!" every time any crime metric ticks up by even the smallest margin. We haven't had "high crime" in the US since the early 90s, but we get media coverage of crime like every major city is an active war zone.
Every four years, we have a President waltz in - point at a blip downward - and say he "Solved Crime!" by throwing an extra ten billion at domestic security budgets. Then a new contender shows up and insists we still need even more cops, because a different stat blipped upwards.
I’d argue the pandemic isn’t really over, but most of its social impacts are.
You're going to get a lot of very angry people posting at you for suggesting COVID continues to plague the country (particularly service sector workers and people working in meat packing plants, where the disease still runs rampant).
Yeah, I am in my 40s and when people significantly older than me talk about how crime is worse than it has ever been I am always like "I guess you don't remember 1970-2000".
Right and Trump is faithful to his mail order wives.
Yes. Let's blame everyone rather than those that committed the crime. I love when critical thinking is ignored. It's so invigorating to hear mindless dribble instead of concise analysis.
Much as I'd like to blame Trump for everything bad that happened during his term, the pandemic and surrounding craziness caused a spike in crime, and Trump did not cause the pandemic.
Biden did not end the pandemic or its social impacts. I'd argue the pandemic isn't really over, but most of its social impacts are.
I would say Trump might deserve some of the blame for the pandemic because he cut the CDC's pandemic response funding in the 1st or 2nd year of his term.
Trump did next to nothing about the pandemic when it turns out "something" was his job
Hey, be fair. He actively worked to make it worse and committed literal acts of piracy, stealing PPE intended for blue states and giving them to his son-in-law to resell. Remember when Boston had to borrow the Pats private jet to prevent the PPE that the city bought from being stolen? You bet your ass Pepperidge Farm fucking remembers.
I don't remember much about that, but it's easy for me to believe he did about any bad deed after these last 8 years
I have worked hard to remind some of the Trump-voting Massholes I have the pleasure of interacting with on a regular basis of this. I think I've made inroads with at least one of them. I also make sure to bring this up:
"The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy."
Trump committed negligent homicide in blue states for political gain.
Biden also did next to nothing.
In fact, pretty much the entire West did next to nothing. They don't care if we live or die.
What he did do was get vaccine distribution working. That made a world of difference in fatality rates
The person you responded to has not one iota of good faith. I've seen them in dozens of threads pushing accelerationist lies. They want this country to burn.
What does this even mean? Biden just happened to benefit from research that began before he was even president.
Also continued the Trump policy of spreading vaccine misinformation in Asia to undermine China, causing countless deaths.
It means his team arranged for actual delivery, federal payments, and not just dumping it on the system, which weren't prepared
The vaccine was finished in Trump's lame duck period, Biden had to finish Trump's job because he's a psychopath and didn't feel like doing anything if he wasn't president anymore.
But vaccines are not the end of the pandemic. Biden just used them to trick everyone into thinking it's over.
COVID is still killing people.
It's not the end; it's not something that ever ends, in the same way that influenza still kills people.
But vaccines got us from a disease that was killing an awful lot more people to one where it's one that kills a few.
Where's small pox?
Also, China showed that we could have at least had lockdowns until everyone was vaccinated. Instead we let er rip and more people died from COVID under Biden than under Trump.
Smallpox is a disease where vaccination once protects you for life.
The current round of vaccines for COVID protect you for several months.
There's a difference in outcomes because of that. I'll also note that a big chunk of China didn't get vaccinated either, and that we have a really active anti-vax contingent in the US with the support of Trump and the other Republicans.
We could have kept masking and kept working from home while pumping billions more into vaccines until we could achieve eradication. We chose to let people die instead.
Also I'll note, again, that a big portion of anti-vaxx sentiment in Asia was spread by the US to undermine China. Disgusting.
There are things we could have done better; the US isn't some island of perfection, but it was on the whole, a decent response after Biden took office.
China had a decent response. New Zealand had a decent response. America's response was deeply unserious and had one of the worst death tolls on the world, with most of the deaths occuring under Biden.
What an accomplishment to distribute vaccines so that people can go back to the office/to the shops. Only a superhero could manage that.
I'm not interested in arguing with a BoTH SiDeS liar and never will be.
Btw thanks for being the reason trump finishes us off. Enjoy the weather in Russia
What is this toxic bullshit? You've been pretending everything is fine and gaslighting the fuck out of people like the person you're responding to, and somehow Biden showing how fucked up he is last night is her fault? Look at how you've treated people on your own side when Trump wins.
The last thing I'm communicating is "everything is fine"
The context is in the sentence.
Democrats are still probably going to win downticket, the sky isn't falling.
I know you know how the debate went last night, and I'm sure you're delighted. No need to pretend with me.
I think it's funny, but I'm still voting Dem downticket myself because I don't want Trump to have support from Congress.
Democrats should embrace it. I bet Jamal Bowman wouldn't have lost if he withdrew his support for Biden, and all the other progressives at least should do the same. Just make the election about the House and Senate and state level races.
Why do you paper all of lemmy with anti-biden sentiment if you care about preventing trump's influence? I do not buy it. I've seen this behavior from you repeatedly.
They're most likely arguing in bad faith.
Oh I know
Because I'm anti-Biden?
It's possible to be anti-Biden and anti-Trump, it's really frustrating how "if you're not with us you're against us" is the norm.
You can't pretend american politics into being viable for third parties. Until something majorly changes to make third parties have a shred of a chance, pretending they are is destructive and it's definitely often done so on purpose. That's what I'm accusing you of, since over the course of months you given zero reasons to think otherwise and 200 reasons to think so.
I'm not? I think we should focus entirely on electing Democrats down ballot and abandon Biden. Let Trump fail with a Democratically controlled House and Senate.
I honestly don't know how you engage with these people in good faith consistently.
We both know there's no good faith there.
Because they have principles you don't agree with?
"I'll drive this country off a cliff" is not a principle. It's Russian influenced accelerationism
I have a terrible sickness. 😅
The gaslighting will continue until polling improves.
We're still seeing the endemic effects of the pandemic because Trump did nothing.
He didn't do nothing, though. He polarized masks, and the disease itself, killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Edit: I have multiple family members that actually have become fully anti-vax since his presidency. They were NEVER anti-vax before Trump. So he's likely killed millions of people from the way he handled things.
Yes, 100% agree with you. I should have said he did nothing to address the situation, and definitely made it worse, particularly with his remarks.
In 2021 I had to take a Lyft ride in LA for work, and my driver spent the whole ride telling me about his bleach spray that he would spray up with nose and into his throat to prevent COVID smh.
Trump and the Republicans extended the pandemic in the US and made it far worse with their policies that turned many of their voters into anti-vaxx and anti-mask lunatics.
It is exhausting to hear people talk about "The Crime Wave!" every time any crime metric ticks up by even the smallest margin. We haven't had "high crime" in the US since the early 90s, but we get media coverage of crime like every major city is an active war zone.
Every four years, we have a President waltz in - point at a blip downward - and say he "Solved Crime!" by throwing an extra ten billion at domestic security budgets. Then a new contender shows up and insists we still need even more cops, because a different stat blipped upwards.
You're going to get a lot of very angry people posting at you for suggesting COVID continues to plague the country (particularly service sector workers and people working in meat packing plants, where the disease still runs rampant).
Yeah, I am in my 40s and when people significantly older than me talk about how crime is worse than it has ever been I am always like "I guess you don't remember 1970-2000".
Right and Trump is faithful to his mail order wives.
Yes. Let's blame everyone rather than those that committed the crime. I love when critical thinking is ignored. It's so invigorating to hear mindless dribble instead of concise analysis.