Sheesh, didnt realize Lemmy is just as TDS as reddit. Yall are so "ORANGE MAN BAD" that you'll randomly shit on others you dont understand. What a disgusting comments section. Here I thought Lemmy was more intelligent than reddit, meanwhile yall are just as alarmist and reactionary.
Almost like people don't want a fascist to be in office huh weird, strange. Absolutely unable to tell why that could be.
No sane person calls someone they disagree with a fascist. That is TDS. I bet you think if Trump wins, gay people will be put in camps and whatnot. All that other alarmist nonsense about project2025 which didnt happen in his prior term. All this saving grace our VP says she will do if elected... that she could just begin right now lol...
Yeah! People call someone they disagree with a communist like a true 'Merican
Did you forget about the people he literally did put in camps?
This is also TDS. Buddy, Trump never said (or even cares about) any of that shit.
If you're a conservative, in my eyes you're an anchor to progress. I don't care if it's Trump or whomever.
Good thing neither Trump or Gabbard are conservative in the slightest...
Please, do tell us where on the political spectrum they land...
You think Trump is a conservative? pro-weed, pro-cryptocurrency (and as Bitcoin, NOT Central Bank Digital Currency) conservative? What lol
He knows that his main appeal is that, but at the end of the day I wouldnt say his policies are truly conservative at all. keep in mind not all repubs are conservative.
What about Roe v Wade?
That was definitely a move in that direction, but one conservative move does not a conservative make. He has done some ratherrrr progressive things too. Some of his ideologies also align to Democratic Party ideologies 2000-2012. (Namely his views on immigration (open, but strict; no more migration) are similar to Obama's). Row v Wade being a 'make this a state's concern' was a weird choice, but it also aligns to the gay marriage ideology of Obama's first term.
i could totally be rusty on some of the above - but, he is way more lenient than a truly conservative man would be. His stance on weed/crypto shock me as they are so progressive.
Wow you listed two whole things that were never conservative keystones and pretended they were.
What about his thoughts towards regulating big business? Roe v. Wade? Immigration?
Yes.. I listed two core differences. Weed is extremely anti religion in many ways lol. Crypto is extremely progressive economical reform. You seemed so shocked by saying "wow" I figured you needed an explanation.
Immigration his thoughts are rather normal on. Migration =/= immigration. I dont think anyone wants migrants to continue spilling into a country that is giving all of its money away...
Yknow before Trump both Obama and Clinton contributed to the border wall? I guess, by your logic, they must be super conservative!
Weed is extremely anti religion in many ways lol
I mean, a lot of religions are antiweed but I'll concede that point.
Crypto is extremely progressive economical reform.
What kind of gymnastics are you doing that you see magic internet money as "progressive economical reform?" I've been around for a minute and every hardcore cryptobro I've had conversations with ends up being some flavor of ancap/libertarian/accelerationist/wannabe warlord/sells drugs or is in some other way explicitly anti-state.
Immigration his thoughts are rather normal on. Migration =/= immigration. I dont think anyone wants migrants to continue spilling into a country that is giving all of its money away…
Thanks for dog whistling, we all know what you mean.
both Obama and Clinton contributed to the border wall? I guess, by your logic, they must be super conservative!
Did you think they were progressive?
Reactionary
How the fuck is being anti-Trump ultraconservative? Trump's entire "Make America Great Again" ethos is reactionary. I don't think you know what Reactionary actually means...
Lemmy is progressive, which means that anyone who endorses Donald Trump, a man who we know very well to be regressive and dishonest, is going to get shit on for it, and we won't be wrong. Opposing Trump is about as far from reactionary as you can get.
This little faux-bipartisanship song & dance you're doing for us on the other hand...
Lemmy is a decentralized social community. Maybe Lemmy.world is progressive (and by progressive I mean: censoring communities already lol), but to say the entire mastodon which this relies on is, is foolish.
If this was 2018 I'd probably agree with you, but it's 2024 now and we have an encyclopedias worth of evidence of why Trump is a dangerous human being. If you eat fox News propaganda I can forgive it to some extent. But Tulsi should know better and deserves to be shit on because there very likely is an ulterior motive here that she's not being honest about.
Could you point me to these encyclopedias? because last I checked the man hasnt been doing half the shit people accuse him of - and he is notoriously taken out of context.
Again, if this was 2018 I'd probably agree with you. But here is a taste since you asked:
Washington, D.C. 4 federal felonies January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, had been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity.
The Supreme Court ruled that the President does enjoy limited immunity for "official acts", it now returns to lower court to determine what, if any, of his acts leading up to 1/6 were "official".
Previously, Jack Smith had asked for a delay until 8/30 to determine a path forward, it would seem this new indictment is the path.
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia 10 state felonies Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered. n
Trial - October 4th, 2024 hearing has been set to determine if Fani Willis can remain on the case.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
Even if you are pro trump, politicians doing a 180 on their views should alarm you. It's nice to be able to support a candidate with some assurance that they are what they say they are.
I haven’t been paying enough attention to know if this is a 180 or just a continuance of what they were already doing but you should want politicians whose beliefs can change based on new information
I find it odd that she is using her military pedigree as justification for this because of how anti-American military personnel Trump is but she could have been preaching his policies for awhile now
I dont really see this as a 180 on their views though. Gabbard was a very moderate democrat, and while trump appeals to conservatives - he is in many ways a very progressive republican (his views on crypto, and weed, are extremely anti-republican...)
You run into one asshole, you've just run into an asshole. If you run into assholes everywhere you go, you're the asshole.
Also, what's TDS?
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Basically if you're against Trump, you must be completely obsessed with him and therefore deranged. Sane people don't oppose him. Or something like that
TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome
It's the dumb insult that Trump supporters use to accuse anyone anti-Trump of being mentally ill.
TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's two-pronged. The MAGASUPPORTERS HURR, they have TDS. The people who genuinely seem to think Trump will commit genocide, they also have TDS.
I hear it often only used towards the left, but no - the supporters can be just as bad. Those people who think Trump is some god who will save us from pedophile elite, that's also TDS.
If all the places are “orange man bad”… maybe there is a reason. 🤔
People get their opinons and info from memes.
It isnt even rare to see people who think trump will cause genocide or evict all citizen mexican-americans... that's nonsensical, and common. It is no wonder that Orange Man Bad is so common when people are told he is bad 24/7 without proper proof or context.
So much hate because she is pro-Trump now.
Sheesh, didnt realize Lemmy is just as TDS as reddit. Yall are so "ORANGE MAN BAD" that you'll randomly shit on others you dont understand. What a disgusting comments section. Here I thought Lemmy was more intelligent than reddit, meanwhile yall are just as alarmist and reactionary.
Almost like people don't want a fascist to be in office huh weird, strange. Absolutely unable to tell why that could be.
No sane person calls someone they disagree with a fascist. That is TDS. I bet you think if Trump wins, gay people will be put in camps and whatnot. All that other alarmist nonsense about project2025 which didnt happen in his prior term. All this saving grace our VP says she will do if elected... that she could just begin right now lol...
Yeah! People call someone they disagree with a communist like a true 'Merican
Did you forget about the people he literally did put in camps?
This is also TDS. Buddy, Trump never said (or even cares about) any of that shit.
If you're a conservative, in my eyes you're an anchor to progress. I don't care if it's Trump or whomever.
Good thing neither Trump or Gabbard are conservative in the slightest...
Please, do tell us where on the political spectrum they land...
You think Trump is a conservative? pro-weed, pro-cryptocurrency (and as Bitcoin, NOT Central Bank Digital Currency) conservative? What lol
He knows that his main appeal is that, but at the end of the day I wouldnt say his policies are truly conservative at all. keep in mind not all repubs are conservative.
What about Roe v Wade?
That was definitely a move in that direction, but one conservative move does not a conservative make. He has done some ratherrrr progressive things too. Some of his ideologies also align to Democratic Party ideologies 2000-2012. (Namely his views on immigration (open, but strict; no more migration) are similar to Obama's). Row v Wade being a 'make this a state's concern' was a weird choice, but it also aligns to the gay marriage ideology of Obama's first term.
i could totally be rusty on some of the above - but, he is way more lenient than a truly conservative man would be. His stance on weed/crypto shock me as they are so progressive.
Wow you listed two whole things that were never conservative keystones and pretended they were.
What about his thoughts towards regulating big business? Roe v. Wade? Immigration?
Yes.. I listed two core differences. Weed is extremely anti religion in many ways lol. Crypto is extremely progressive economical reform. You seemed so shocked by saying "wow" I figured you needed an explanation.
Immigration his thoughts are rather normal on. Migration =/= immigration. I dont think anyone wants migrants to continue spilling into a country that is giving all of its money away...
Yknow before Trump both Obama and Clinton contributed to the border wall? I guess, by your logic, they must be super conservative!
I mean, a lot of religions are antiweed but I'll concede that point.
What kind of gymnastics are you doing that you see magic internet money as "progressive economical reform?" I've been around for a minute and every hardcore cryptobro I've had conversations with ends up being some flavor of ancap/libertarian/accelerationist/wannabe warlord/sells drugs or is in some other way explicitly anti-state.
Thanks for dog whistling, we all know what you mean.
Did you think they were progressive?
How the fuck is being anti-Trump ultraconservative? Trump's entire "Make America Great Again" ethos is reactionary. I don't think you know what Reactionary actually means...
Lemmy is progressive, which means that anyone who endorses Donald Trump, a man who we know very well to be regressive and dishonest, is going to get shit on for it, and we won't be wrong. Opposing Trump is about as far from reactionary as you can get.
This little faux-bipartisanship song & dance you're doing for us on the other hand...
Lemmy is a decentralized social community. Maybe Lemmy.world is progressive (and by progressive I mean: censoring communities already lol), but to say the entire mastodon which this relies on is, is foolish.
If this was 2018 I'd probably agree with you, but it's 2024 now and we have an encyclopedias worth of evidence of why Trump is a dangerous human being. If you eat fox News propaganda I can forgive it to some extent. But Tulsi should know better and deserves to be shit on because there very likely is an ulterior motive here that she's not being honest about.
Could you point me to these encyclopedias? because last I checked the man hasnt been doing half the shit people accuse him of - and he is notoriously taken out of context.
Again, if this was 2018 I'd probably agree with you. But here is a taste since you asked:
Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, had been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity.
The Supreme Court ruled that the President does enjoy limited immunity for "official acts", it now returns to lower court to determine what, if any, of his acts leading up to 1/6 were "official".
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/supreme-court-donald-trump-immunity/index.html
On 8/27, a new federal grand jury re-indicted Trump on all four counts in a hearing this time excluding evidence barred by the Supreme Court.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-indicted-federal-election-interference-case-supreme-court-immuni-rcna168503
Previously, Jack Smith had asked for a delay until 8/30 to determine a path forward, it would seem this new indictment is the path.
Conviction
Sentencing
New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - Originally scheduled for July 11, 2024, now delayed until September 18th following the Supreme Court's ruling on Presidential immunity.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-sentencing-date-delay-proposal/index.html
Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered. n Trial - October 4th, 2024 hearing has been set to determine if Fani Willis can remain on the case.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial had been set to begin May 20, 2024, but was subsequently delayed indefinitely by the judge, and has now been dismissed outright under the claims that the prosecutor was not Constitutionally appointed.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-tosses-trump-documents-case-ruling-prosecutor-unlawfully-appointed-2024-07-15/
Jack Smith appealed Judge Cannon's ruling on Monday, 8/26 to the 11th circuit.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/g-s1-19642/special-counsel-jack-smith-judge-cannon-appeal-trump-classified-documents
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/
Even if you are pro trump, politicians doing a 180 on their views should alarm you. It's nice to be able to support a candidate with some assurance that they are what they say they are.
I haven’t been paying enough attention to know if this is a 180 or just a continuance of what they were already doing but you should want politicians whose beliefs can change based on new information
I find it odd that she is using her military pedigree as justification for this because of how anti-American military personnel Trump is but she could have been preaching his policies for awhile now
I dont really see this as a 180 on their views though. Gabbard was a very moderate democrat, and while trump appeals to conservatives - he is in many ways a very progressive republican (his views on crypto, and weed, are extremely anti-republican...)
You run into one asshole, you've just run into an asshole. If you run into assholes everywhere you go, you're the asshole.
Also, what's TDS?
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Basically if you're against Trump, you must be completely obsessed with him and therefore deranged. Sane people don't oppose him. Or something like that
TDS = Trump Derangement Syndrome
It's the dumb insult that Trump supporters use to accuse anyone anti-Trump of being mentally ill.
TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's two-pronged. The MAGASUPPORTERS HURR, they have TDS. The people who genuinely seem to think Trump will commit genocide, they also have TDS.
I hear it often only used towards the left, but no - the supporters can be just as bad. Those people who think Trump is some god who will save us from pedophile elite, that's also TDS.
If all the places are “orange man bad”… maybe there is a reason. 🤔
People get their opinons and info from memes.
It isnt even rare to see people who think trump will cause genocide or evict all citizen mexican-americans... that's nonsensical, and common. It is no wonder that Orange Man Bad is so common when people are told he is bad 24/7 without proper proof or context.
Loser