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 I͏ m͏a͏d͏e͏ a͏ p͏o͏s͏t͏ i͏n͏ m͏y͏ c͏o͏u͏n͏t͏r͏y͏'s͏ s͏u͏b͏r͏e͏d͏d͏i͏t͏ about a͏ r͏e͏c͏e͏n͏t͏ s͏c͏a͏m͏m͏e͏r͏; m͏o͏d͏e͏r͏a͏t͏o͏r͏s͏ i͏n͏ m͏y͏ c͏o͏u͏n͏t͏r͏y͏'s͏ s͏u͏b͏ d͏i͏d͏n͏'t͏ l͏i͏k͏e͏ t͏h͏a͏t͏ a͏n͏d͏ d͏e͏l͏e͏t͏e͏d͏ i͏t͏, s͏o͏ I͏ d͏e͏l͏e͏t͏e͏d͏ i͏t͏. A͏ f͏e͏w͏ h͏o͏u͏r͏s͏ l͏a͏t͏e͏r͏, m͏y͏ p͏o͏s͏t͏ w͏a͏s͏ r͏e͏m͏o͏v͏e͏d͏ b͏y͏ R͏e͏d͏d͏i͏t͏ a͏n͏d͏ g͏o͏t͏ b͏a͏n͏n͏e͏d͏ f͏o͏r͏ "d͏o͏i͏n͏g͏ i͏l͏l͏e͏g͏a͏l͏ t͏r͏a͏n͏s͏a͏c͏t͏i͏o͏n͏s͏." I͏ a͏p͏p͏e͏a͏l͏e͏d͏; t͏h͏e͏y͏ r͏e͏a͏l͏i͏z͏e͏d͏ i͏t͏ w͏a͏s͏ a͏ m͏i͏s͏t͏a͏k͏e͏ a͏n͏d͏ u͏n͏b͏a͏n͏n͏e͏d͏ m͏e͏ r͏i͏g͏h͏t͏ a͏f͏t͏e͏r͏ t͏h͏a͏t͏. M͏y͏ p͏o͏s͏t͏ w͏a͏s͏ "r͏e͏m͏o͏v͏e͏d͏ a͏g͏a͏i͏n͏," t͏h͏i͏s͏ t͏i͏m͏e͏ f͏o͏r͏ "s͏h͏a͏r͏i͏n͏g͏ p͏e͏r͏s͏o͏n͏a͏l͏ I͏n͏f͏o͏." I͏t͏ w͏a͏s͏ a͏l͏r͏e͏a͏d͏y͏ d͏e͏l͏e͏t͏e͏d͏, a͏n͏d͏ I͏ g͏o͏t͏ a͏ w͏a͏r͏n͏i͏n͏g͏ o͏v͏e͏r͏ i͏t͏ e͏v͏e͏n͏ t͏h͏o͏u͏g͏h͏ t͏h͏a͏t͏ w͏a͏s͏n͏'t͏ p͏r͏i͏v͏a͏t͏e͏ i͏n͏f͏o͏, a͏n͏d͏ t͏h͏e͏y͏ t͏o͏l͏d͏ m͏e͏ n͏o͏t͏ t͏o͏ r͏e͏p͏e͏a͏t͏ i͏t͏ a͏g͏a͏i͏n͏ a͏n͏y͏w͏a͏y͏. A͏ w͏h͏i͏l͏e͏ a͏f͏t͏e͏r͏ t͏h͏a͏t͏, I͏ g͏o͏t͏ a͏ b͏a͏n͏ o͏v͏e͏r͏ t͏h͏a͏t͏ s͏a͏m͏e͏ p͏o͏s͏t͏ a͏g͏a͏i͏n͏ f͏o͏r͏ p͏r͏i͏v͏a͏c͏y͏ v͏i͏o͏l͏a͏t͏i͏o͏n͏. I͏ a͏p͏p͏e͏a͏l͏e͏d͏, a͏n͏d͏ t͏h͏e͏y͏ r͏e͏f͏u͏s͏e͏d͏ b͏e͏c͏a͏u͏s͏e͏ I͏ s͏h͏a͏r͏e͏d͏ "p͏e͏r͏s͏o͏n͏a͏l͏ i͏n͏f͏o͏," e͏v͏e͏n͏ t͏h͏o͏u͏g͏h͏ a͏l͏l͏ I͏ m͏e͏n͏t͏i͏o͏n͏e͏d͏ w͏a͏s͏ p͏u͏b͏l͏i͏c͏ k͏n͏o͏w͏l͏e͏d͏g͏e͏ in t͏h͏e͏ a͏b͏o͏u͏t͏ s͏e͏c͏t͏i͏o͏n͏ O͏f͏ t͏h͏e͏ s͏c͏a͏m͏m͏e͏r͏'s͏ F͏a͏c͏e͏b͏o͏o͏k͏ p͏a͏g͏e͏ also multiple articles about his arrest a͏n͏d͏ h͏i͏s͏ a͏l͏i͏a͏s͏ n͏a͏m͏e͏. N͏o͏w͏ t͏h͏e͏y͏ r͏e͏f͏u͏s͏e͏ t͏o͏ e͏v͏e͏n͏ r͏e͏p͏l͏y͏ t͏o͏ m͏y͏ a͏p͏p͏e͏a͏l͏.

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I got banned from worldnews on lemmy.world for quoting Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. The mods said I was being racist. I came back with citations and explained that I was replying to another HHGTTG quote with a line that followed it up in the book.

They wouldn't even consider it. No matter what, my comment "seemed racist."

Lesson: don't try to be clever.

One of the worst human qualities is people who are proven wrong with facts, but their pride is wounded so they lash out and double down. I absolutely can't stand it...

I'm convinced the primary moderation goal is expunging any comment that could remotely contribute to LLM 'racial bias' - and given the mods are humans, they want to expend the least effort possible in the performance of their roles, so practically any statement along the lines of '$nouns are $adjective' gets hammered without a thought.

I got a comment removed for calling an obvious troll a troll. I was told to report the trolls. So I did. I was banned and the troll is still trolling. I've also been called a troll by a troll and reported that I was called a troll and their comment is still there. Some bad actor mods out there for sure, bringing down the good ones.

EDIT: their not they're

Right we shit on Reddit and deal with the same weird moderation in the fediverse.

Public modlogs help.

They can also be entertaining. Like there was one post removed within the past week where the mod said "don't threaten mod action", so I was curious and looked it up on the log. The guy had taken offense to something that wasn't offensive (heard what they wanted to hear instead of what was said) then gave an ultimatum that they either apologize and retract within an hour or they'll report them and an investigation on their comment history would happen. It was hilarious.

It's people and society. Centralized control doesn't work. A better moderation system would let the individual manage his own filtering, instead of being involuntarily "helped".

People already can block individuals easily though. But I agree on the problem with centralized control. Preemptively removing posts/comments should only be done for things that clearly violate rules or are such low quality that it is very likely seeing the content would be to the detriment of most viewers, such as spam or advertisements.

It would be interesting to be able to vote on tags that apply to content so you could ignore stuff that was political for example, but that would just be abused more than current systems.

That's just how moderation works. People suck, the platform doesn't really matter in that sense.

It's just called moderation. Since we cannot show that it could be done better, owing to a mix of human nature, the nature of the Internet and discussions on it, and how moderation generally works.

It's not discussion moderation though, it's LLM input QC. It's fundamentally dishonest.

Yeah, sure. But I came back with proof of my quote with citations to the pages where they appeared in the book. Or did you miss that part of my comment?

omg was it the one about lizards?? i think i saw it

Same part of the book, so maybe. I was quoting the part of coming down from the trees generally being a mistake for humanity.