Youtube added shorts to the subscriptions page, pushing the subscriptions almost entirely off the page...

mcars@lemmy.world to Mildly Infuriating@lemmy.world – 1781 points –

I prefer "list" view over grid view. Switching to grid view shows six videos before the break, but significantly less information about the video.

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You can hide segments like that with ublock, fwiw. It's been really useful to me for these kinds of changes every single website seems to be pushing these days.

I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:

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www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
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m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)

It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.

I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.

I don't mind shorts so much but Enhancer for Youtube has the ability to convert shorts to regular videos or hide them.

But the Videos are still only 1 Minute long. I find them a disgrace for my attention span. Before shorts/tiktok people were already arguing how deep a video of 10 Minute really can be and might be giving only a shallow idea of a topic. Going even further down to 1 Minute per topic is too much (less) for me. I prefer videos 20 Minutes+. Mostly 45-60 Minutes hit a decent spot for me to feel like I learned something about a topic. A couple of days ago I watched a 2-parts video of 6h and 5h (over several days) about the Russo-Japanese war. And even that was skimming over a lot of topics (obviously) but afterwards I felt like I understood something. I dont know how a 1 Minute short can transport anything other than just "a feeling of knowledge" - at this point it is basically just entertainment. I already felt 10 Minutes was snack-infotainment short. 1 Minute clips leave me behind like eating candy for dinner: Very unsatisfied. And maybe that is the reason people then click the next tiktok/short, because they actually do not feel satisfied by such a short clip and have the feeling for wanting more. And they satisfy this "more" by switching to another 1-Minute video. Again getting the feeling of more, yet getting less in the end of the day.

Any chance you can drop a link to 11 hours on the Russo-Japanese war? Didn't even know that was a thing

Sure. Here you go: Part 1, Part2, (there even is a third part) - I strongly advice to watch it on 1.5x, as the speaker is very slow

I liked the very detailed day-by-day turns in the first part as well as the epic sea-fights in the second part. Also the small biography-slides with detailed vitaes of military personal gave a good idea in what time people lived and where they were going. Combined with an endless stream of original photos and drawings of the fights, it was a very dense documentation and gave a good image about war, russia, japan and the though-process of early 20th century military tactics.

Not even that comical story about the misadventures of the Russian Navy? Oh man, you're really missing out!

Here are a couple of videos about it:

If you've got 50 minutes to spare, it's worth watching both.

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Can you share the videos about the war? They sound interesting.

True but also to be fair I have attention issues and can't really sit too long for a whole video but they're good for a lot of little critical role clips!

Then again I'm on like Tiktok all the time so I'm used to it :3

I think (if it is not a disorder) attention span can be trained. It takes discipline and a true interest into a topic other than just a vague excitement. If you are able to state what topics you are interested in for yourself, you might be able to concentrate on 10-30 Minutes of the same topic. People who are really into The Kardashians are able to watch a whole 50 Minute episode of them. So it is not the problem of concentration for them, it is more that they need something put in front of them for that they can feel a passion or enthusiasm they deeply care about - even it is just The Kardashians. Here is the thing: People have no problem browsing 2h+ of tiktok, but can not concentrate on 10x 20min video? I think if you have a real interest in something you can get through longer videos. Do you look for thing you really care about or do you actively looking for a distraction when you browse tiktok? It is not a bad thing to use it that way. After a long day of work, it can relax your brain browsing real shallow, short clips. But daily, in high doses... then I think it is maybe another reason people do it (escapism, etc.)

path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]

Some of those rules are OK, but the path rules will be pretty flaky since they're relying on a particular shape (like an icon or something) being present on the page.

I found youtube in particular to use very generic functionq that are used in other places so blocking something small ends up blocking other things, iirc from the long time ago that I wasn't using piped, blocking youtube premium prompt broke comments or something along those lines

Sure, it depends on the coding of the site. Personally, I make sure to block the entire container where possible, and I haven't run into too many issues like that.

only had the problem on youtube, I remember trying a lot of different elements to see how I could get around it

Also DeArrow extension is really good for removing the clickbait thumbnails and replaces them with a simple still from the video itself. It also removes Emojis and special characters from the titles.

Other essential extensions for YouTube for me are (1) sponsorblock and (2) enhancer for YouTube.

DeArrowing is the thing I didn't know I needed. Thanks!

Anyone using Arc who needs a boost to block all YouTube bloat, let me know. I created one for myself but haven’t submitted it to the gallery. It hides shorts, suggested search results and some other crap.

I will also recommend blocktube extension.

I use rehike personally, it has the old layout so shorts are barely shown

You can also hide these segments by just clicking the X in the top right corner. It'll hide the shelf (I think that's how YouTube calls them) for 30 days.

I dunno when it happened but there was a time before clickbait and in-video ads. That was the good time.