The claims are much bigger and much more serious. It’s not just that we see UFOs.
Under oath - the ranking intelligence officials claim that there is a SAP (top secret program) dedicated to recovering and reverse engineering non-human intelligence aircraft.
That non human bodies have been recovered.
The intelligence officials / contractors read into these programs have harmed and potentially even murdered people to keep the secret under wraps.
That the programs have no congressional oversight of actions or funds. That funds are being diverted in criminal ways - likely a fraction of the missing DOD money that cannot be accounted for.
This is all very serious before even considering the repercussions of non-human entities present on earth.
I just have trouble believing that the probably thousands of people both government and private involved in such programs that no doubt exist across every major power on earth (unless for whatever reason UFOs choose to only fly around and crash into the continental US) have all managed to stay quiet about something of this magnitude for decades (or damn near 100 years if his claim of it starting in the 1930s is to be believed)
Not to mention that, simultaneously, the government(s) is powerful enough to successfully suppress this information for a hundred years, while some how also failing to keep somebody from testifying about it in a publicly televised congressional hearing
I've been watching a really good documentary about this and the entire situation is very complex. There's a combination of active government coverups and false information to confuse the situation. Anyone who finds out too much is at risk of being discredited or killed. You should look it up, it's very high quality. It's called the X-Files.
Jesus Christ I never say you had me in the first half, but...
Ah thanks, that's what I was going for!
Gee I wonder how they keep everything a secret, it's not like some sort of discrediting feedback loop exists.
Damn you! 😆
They apparently always manage to get to crash sites before the locals do and manage to somehow quickly and quietly extract every little piece of debris spread across several square miles without anyone noticing.
It's just not realistic.
They actually don't get there first. When they do get there, they have a mind wiping pen they use to wipe the minds of those who found the crash site before them.
AND the fact that an alien species that has the technology to come all the way to earth is so inept that they crash for whatever reason and can't handle the US government?
Come on, it's ridiculous.
And for some reason it’s always in the US
On top of that, every country in the world would have to be collaborating in keeping it a secret since the US of A isn't some special place where they uniquely occur.
Occam's Razor leads me to believe its yet another conspiracy theory.
Yeah why are all the governments of Africa in the 20th and 21st centuries covering this up?
Think of how many governments don't have the capability to do anything with a crashed alien spacecraft, know that richer countries are making money off this stuff, know that they gain nothing for handing it over, and just do it.
Can you imagine Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro, or Nassor, or the Kim family just calling up the US and being like "hey aliens are here, want to go get them and cover it up? No of course I don't want any money"?
All these pompous dictators just begging for a chance to go on CNN and brag how they stuck it to the US of A. All it would take is one. A single one of them to not play ball. Even democracies would do it.
190 countries. Most of them hating each other. All of them rivals. With every sorta government you can imagine. And not a single one of them has decided to not play ball. Hell we can't even get them all to agree on vaccinations.
Literally fucking Somalia. Would Somalia do it? What about Momar Gaddafi? The man was a lunatic who ruled a geographically massive country for decades. I don’t know how he’d spill the beans, but he certainly wouldn’t’ve kept quiet. How many coups have happened in the dense jungles of central africa and Southeast Asia as well as the Amazon?
Then there’s the unwilling pariah states. South Africa and Zimbabwe aren’t small countries. If the US government had been keeping all this hush hush apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia would’ve traded silence and compliance for aid and the arms to suppress the indigenous rebellion.
Like yeah it’s absurd to imagine all these wildly different countries doing the same thing about this. Like no of course they wouldn’t. And many couldn’t.
Imagine if North Korea had a crashed saucer. They'd be parading it out in the streets for the world to see and claiming it could destroy the US with one hit.
There's plenty of other countries that would do similar. Hell imagine how much money you could get for scraps? It would be all over the world and everyone would know.
indigenous rebellion
You mean terrorism
Are you really sticking up for apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia? You’re allowed to do that I guess but yikes nonetheless.
That's a strawman if I ever seen one.
I didn't know black locals killing black locals and making them do things they didn't want to do was a good thing.
Terrorism is terrorism. Try defend the communist killing farmers and tribesmen.
On top of that, every country in the world would have to be collaborating in keeping it a secret
And that's why conspiracy beliefs always end up including a global conspiracy. It's like solipsism; the whole world has to be in on the deception or it doesn't work.
On that front, Grusch actually claims that the Pope helped smuggle a crashed UFO out of Mussolini's Italy to the United States. Never mind that the Pope and Mussolini were allies...
You also have to believe that UFOs have a worse crash rate than commercial aircraft.
I don't know why you would think that. I don't think they said how many crashed thing they retrieved, but if they did thousands, hundreds of thousands of flights, there will be accident. Sure, they are way more advanced, but I don't believe that a 100% success rate can be achieved.
Grusch has claimed there have been many crashes all over the world and the U.S. recovers them and keeps it all secret.
My question is, if any of this is true, why haven’t we been able to observe any such activity in space? You’d think if there were regular occurrences of “alien” activity on Earth, that all of our planet’s considerable astronomical observational power would observe corresponding activity in the area around the planet.
Why would astronomers be pointing their equipment at Earth, they're not 'terranomers'
That’s not what I’m saying
They can't even keep a secret of where the presidents penis is.
Which he seemed eager to present if he could get in a scif with them.
Will we ever know those info ? We might only know in a couple of weeks, or a couple of decades. But if he was flat lying and then gets into a scif, tells more lies to congress, his ass gonna end up in jail real soon.
People are acting like he's going to get into the SCIF then tell the committee "I was lying lol, I have no names or other info" like they wouldn't drag him out onto the main floor and Charles Summer his ass
Putting all the focus on Grusch is a mistake when there was verifiable video footage and radar to match multiple eyewitness accounts for the Nimitz/Tic Tac event. There was a good foundation established for the need to address the near-misses between the UAP and airforce as well as commercial aircraft. People can just pocket or dismiss Grusch's claims, but that's not all there is to this subject...
This National Geographic docuseries on Hulu really made me confront the notion that there may be some truth to the idea that there are more advanced non-humans out there. This documentary isn't like the big-haired History Channel nonsense... It is based off of declassified reports, credible former government officials, military, airforce, etc. Highly recommend at least just giving that first episode free on YouTube a shot.
Here is The Falcon Lake incident, in which there was physical evidence corroborating the eyewitness report. Included in the physical evidence was irradiated scrap metal melted into a rock at the claimed landing site, and an irradiated coin. He also had physical wounds from the event that corroborated his claims, and he fell very ill immediately after.
Unless you think we had a nuclear-powered aircraft like that in 1967, a simpler explanation really might be that hyper-advanced nonhuman entities may exist. Now, that doesn't mean all or any of Grusch's claims are true. I'm not even touching on that when there is already so much compelling information out there.
I'm not going to pretend we're anywhere close to having all the answers as a species. We're just hairless apes that are too smart for are own good, but not as smart as we think we are. Healthy criticism is a good thing, but dismissing everything outright is not. I consider myself a very skeptical person. But it's not up for debate whether or not our government had a UAP monitoring program. That has been established, having been created by Harry Reid. That's been established fact since 2017.
Here is a very compelling photograph that a National Geographic mapping plane captured in 1971, during a project funded by the Costa Rican Electricity Institute. They believed they captured a flying disc at the moment of entry or exit of the water, as the camera captured a photo about every 13 seconds. It was estimated to be about 160ft in diameter.
There is a YouTube channel with years worth of apparent footage of these orbs tagging and being pursued by aircraft (from the Navy to the Sherrif's department choppers equipped with infrared cameras). I don't agree with all of this individual's views, but his footage is in line with the accounts of pilots and some of the declassified footage. It's definitely not verified, but it's there for the people who ask "Why isn't anyone capturing these things on film?" This guy has been allegedly recording these around Marina Del Rey since 2017.
"A Manitoba member of Parliament wrote Canada's minister of defence this spring suggesting the country has participated in a secret multi-nation program devoted to "the recovery and exploitation" of material from unidentified aerial phenomenon, more commonly known as unidentified flying objects or UFOs."
In the face of all this information, I now am at this impasse in which I'm forced to consider that it's actually more reasonable to believe there are other, more intelligent species in the universe. It's one thing to argue this is secret human tech we're seeing right now, but it's outlandish to me to consider the notion that we had tech like this going back to the 40s.. or even just dating back to the Falcon Lake incident.
There were mass sightings across the US to the point that our Airforce openly acknowledged their existence and initiated Project Blue Book. There's just no way that was our tech back then, right around the time in which we first discovered the power of the atom. There's no way we had atomic flying aircraft without any obvious signs of propulsion, rapid acceleration, and moving at enormous speeds without breaking the sound barrier dating back earlier than the 50s...
I personally reached the tipping point in which I genuinely believe it's less reasonable to deny the existence of UAP. Characteristics of these UAP have remained consistent across decades, our government has admitted they exist, secret black projects have been uncovered, many documents have been declassified and leaked... I find it much harder to believe that all of this consistency across decades is merely coincidence.
If anyone reading this truly considers themselves a rational skeptic, please at least watch the first episode of the documentary I linked and read the information from my comment before responding to me.
That's pretty nifty that the bot did that for every link..
Gish gabbing.
Are you going to address what I wrote or copy and paste your text wall again?
What do you want me to address? How about you try acting like a mature adult instead of just dismissing things without consideration and insulting me?
I wanted to provide additional context that there is a lot more to the UAP topic than David Grusch's testimony. That's all everyone is focusing on. I perceived your comment as an open invitation for information on the subject.
If you want to be an ass to me and just reject everything, that's just your poor judgment. Don't mistake your arrogance for intelligence, and your arrogance doesn't justify being an ass to others.
Even if I'm wrong, at least I'm treating others with respect and trying to have a substantive discussion. You're just commenting like a toxic redditor.
Blocked.
Ha, so cringeworthy and pathetic. God forbid you see a dissenting view.
Yeah, kind of overkill for someone to block you over that exchange.
According to a guy who straight up says he wasn't actually read into said program, and has no actual firsthand knowledge or evidence. Might as well stuff Alex Jones in a uniform and put him up there.
"But how could the government keep it a secret!"
Your post is exactly how.
Instead of saying "ok let's see if this guy is telling the truth" we have "pfftt, aliens aren't real, take off the tinfoil hat."
Ridiculously effective.
This is the exact same logic that leads to “stop the steal” and pizzagate nonsense
So, who are these harmed and murdered people exactly? And how do you differentiate between these claims of alien spacecraft and general top secret aircraft engineering that would also have such strict security?
And all of these harmed and murdered people conveniently have no relatives speaking up about it either lol. It's always hand wavey and lacking evidence.
You're asking for people who claim that their missing relatives were abducted by aliens and the government is trying to cover it up?
Pretty sure we've all heard those stories.
This comment feels pretty tongue in cheek to be honest. If your goal is for people to take the question of UFOs/aliens seriously, then I would suggest being a little more sincere/productive with your responses. Just my two cents.
Same old UFO shit, some guy says some crazy shit, no evidence is produced.
The funds being diverted is the real news. I bet they are being diverted to a secret "alien program" that is just someone's pocket. Slap some rumors and top secretness on there, and you are able to grift for decades.
So you don't think Congress should look into funds being diverted into some black operation then someone's pocket with 0 oversight?
The claims are much bigger and much more serious. It’s not just that we see UFOs.
Under oath - the ranking intelligence officials claim that there is a SAP (top secret program) dedicated to recovering and reverse engineering non-human intelligence aircraft.
That non human bodies have been recovered.
The intelligence officials / contractors read into these programs have harmed and potentially even murdered people to keep the secret under wraps.
That the programs have no congressional oversight of actions or funds. That funds are being diverted in criminal ways - likely a fraction of the missing DOD money that cannot be accounted for.
This is all very serious before even considering the repercussions of non-human entities present on earth.
I just have trouble believing that the probably thousands of people both government and private involved in such programs that no doubt exist across every major power on earth (unless for whatever reason UFOs choose to only fly around and crash into the continental US) have all managed to stay quiet about something of this magnitude for decades (or damn near 100 years if his claim of it starting in the 1930s is to be believed)
Not to mention that, simultaneously, the government(s) is powerful enough to successfully suppress this information for a hundred years, while some how also failing to keep somebody from testifying about it in a publicly televised congressional hearing
I've been watching a really good documentary about this and the entire situation is very complex. There's a combination of active government coverups and false information to confuse the situation. Anyone who finds out too much is at risk of being discredited or killed. You should look it up, it's very high quality. It's called the X-Files.
Jesus Christ I never say you had me in the first half, but...
Ah thanks, that's what I was going for!
Gee I wonder how they keep everything a secret, it's not like some sort of discrediting feedback loop exists.
Damn you! 😆
They apparently always manage to get to crash sites before the locals do and manage to somehow quickly and quietly extract every little piece of debris spread across several square miles without anyone noticing.
It's just not realistic.
They actually don't get there first. When they do get there, they have a mind wiping pen they use to wipe the minds of those who found the crash site before them.
AND the fact that an alien species that has the technology to come all the way to earth is so inept that they crash for whatever reason and can't handle the US government?
Come on, it's ridiculous.
And for some reason it’s always in the US
On top of that, every country in the world would have to be collaborating in keeping it a secret since the US of A isn't some special place where they uniquely occur.
Occam's Razor leads me to believe its yet another conspiracy theory.
Yeah why are all the governments of Africa in the 20th and 21st centuries covering this up?
Think of how many governments don't have the capability to do anything with a crashed alien spacecraft, know that richer countries are making money off this stuff, know that they gain nothing for handing it over, and just do it.
Can you imagine Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro, or Nassor, or the Kim family just calling up the US and being like "hey aliens are here, want to go get them and cover it up? No of course I don't want any money"?
All these pompous dictators just begging for a chance to go on CNN and brag how they stuck it to the US of A. All it would take is one. A single one of them to not play ball. Even democracies would do it.
190 countries. Most of them hating each other. All of them rivals. With every sorta government you can imagine. And not a single one of them has decided to not play ball. Hell we can't even get them all to agree on vaccinations.
Literally fucking Somalia. Would Somalia do it? What about Momar Gaddafi? The man was a lunatic who ruled a geographically massive country for decades. I don’t know how he’d spill the beans, but he certainly wouldn’t’ve kept quiet. How many coups have happened in the dense jungles of central africa and Southeast Asia as well as the Amazon?
Then there’s the unwilling pariah states. South Africa and Zimbabwe aren’t small countries. If the US government had been keeping all this hush hush apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia would’ve traded silence and compliance for aid and the arms to suppress the indigenous rebellion.
Like yeah it’s absurd to imagine all these wildly different countries doing the same thing about this. Like no of course they wouldn’t. And many couldn’t.
Imagine if North Korea had a crashed saucer. They'd be parading it out in the streets for the world to see and claiming it could destroy the US with one hit.
There's plenty of other countries that would do similar. Hell imagine how much money you could get for scraps? It would be all over the world and everyone would know.
You mean terrorism
Are you really sticking up for apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia? You’re allowed to do that I guess but yikes nonetheless.
That's a strawman if I ever seen one.
I didn't know black locals killing black locals and making them do things they didn't want to do was a good thing.
Terrorism is terrorism. Try defend the communist killing farmers and tribesmen.
And that's why conspiracy beliefs always end up including a global conspiracy. It's like solipsism; the whole world has to be in on the deception or it doesn't work.
On that front, Grusch actually claims that the Pope helped smuggle a crashed UFO out of Mussolini's Italy to the United States. Never mind that the Pope and Mussolini were allies...
You also have to believe that UFOs have a worse crash rate than commercial aircraft.
I don't know why you would think that. I don't think they said how many crashed thing they retrieved, but if they did thousands, hundreds of thousands of flights, there will be accident. Sure, they are way more advanced, but I don't believe that a 100% success rate can be achieved.
Grusch has claimed there have been many crashes all over the world and the U.S. recovers them and keeps it all secret.
My question is, if any of this is true, why haven’t we been able to observe any such activity in space? You’d think if there were regular occurrences of “alien” activity on Earth, that all of our planet’s considerable astronomical observational power would observe corresponding activity in the area around the planet.
Why would astronomers be pointing their equipment at Earth, they're not 'terranomers'
That’s not what I’m saying
They can't even keep a secret of where the presidents penis is.
Attached to him, I hope
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Which he seemed eager to present if he could get in a scif with them.
Will we ever know those info ? We might only know in a couple of weeks, or a couple of decades. But if he was flat lying and then gets into a scif, tells more lies to congress, his ass gonna end up in jail real soon.
People are acting like he's going to get into the SCIF then tell the committee "I was lying lol, I have no names or other info" like they wouldn't drag him out onto the main floor and Charles Summer his ass
Putting all the focus on Grusch is a mistake when there was verifiable video footage and radar to match multiple eyewitness accounts for the Nimitz/Tic Tac event. There was a good foundation established for the need to address the near-misses between the UAP and airforce as well as commercial aircraft. People can just pocket or dismiss Grusch's claims, but that's not all there is to this subject...
What do you make of Comander Fravor's testimony on the Nimitz/Tic Tac event, in which there were multiple eyes on the object, video footage, and radar that was all in line with the reported event? (The radar data was seized by high-ranking Navy officials, if you believe the words of the Cheif Radar Operator on the Nimitz that day)
Seems unreasonable to totally dismiss the possibility of non-human intelligent life, especially when scientists/organizations like UAPx are taking it seriously and have been analyzing the Nimitz videos. There's also the Galileo Project at Harvard, which believes they may have recovered manufactured material from an interstellar object (believed to have been aided by propulsion) from the ocean floor off Papua New Guinea. Scientists and physicists are starting to give this subject credence (not necessarily Grusch's claims, but all of the other information and evidence) and I disagree with the literal anti-intellectual rejection of all information because of one man's claims.
This National Geographic docuseries on Hulu really made me confront the notion that there may be some truth to the idea that there are more advanced non-humans out there. This documentary isn't like the big-haired History Channel nonsense... It is based off of declassified reports, credible former government officials, military, airforce, etc. Highly recommend at least just giving that first episode free on YouTube a shot.
Here is The Falcon Lake incident, in which there was physical evidence corroborating the eyewitness report. Included in the physical evidence was irradiated scrap metal melted into a rock at the claimed landing site, and an irradiated coin. He also had physical wounds from the event that corroborated his claims, and he fell very ill immediately after.
Unless you think we had a nuclear-powered aircraft like that in 1967, a simpler explanation really might be that hyper-advanced nonhuman entities may exist. Now, that doesn't mean all or any of Grusch's claims are true. I'm not even touching on that when there is already so much compelling information out there.
I'm not going to pretend we're anywhere close to having all the answers as a species. We're just hairless apes that are too smart for are own good, but not as smart as we think we are. Healthy criticism is a good thing, but dismissing everything outright is not. I consider myself a very skeptical person. But it's not up for debate whether or not our government had a UAP monitoring program. That has been established, having been created by Harry Reid. That's been established fact since 2017.
Whether or not they are of human-origin, UAP do exist and therefore should be studied. Here is some declassified UAP footage other than the widely covered Nimitz encounter.
Here is a very compelling photograph that a National Geographic mapping plane captured in 1971, during a project funded by the Costa Rican Electricity Institute. They believed they captured a flying disc at the moment of entry or exit of the water, as the camera captured a photo about every 13 seconds. It was estimated to be about 160ft in diameter.
These metalic orbs have been observed all over the world, they have no obvious signs of propulsion, and our government has admitted this is not our tech, and that it's beyond our capabilities.
There is a YouTube channel with years worth of apparent footage of these orbs tagging and being pursued by aircraft (from the Navy to the Sherrif's department choppers equipped with infrared cameras). I don't agree with all of this individual's views, but his footage is in line with the accounts of pilots and some of the declassified footage. It's definitely not verified, but it's there for the people who ask "Why isn't anyone capturing these things on film?" This guy has been allegedly recording these around Marina Del Rey since 2017.
Let's not forget project Blue Book, General John Samford's address, the Congressional UFO hearings 50+ years ago, and the information available in the national archives... Here is a French government/military/civilian scientific collaborative study on the subject from 1978 (PDF warning), which determined the most reasonable explanation for the objects was the E.T. hypothesis (their conclusion). Not to mention this tidbit from Canada recently:
In the face of all this information, I now am at this impasse in which I'm forced to consider that it's actually more reasonable to believe there are other, more intelligent species in the universe. It's one thing to argue this is secret human tech we're seeing right now, but it's outlandish to me to consider the notion that we had tech like this going back to the 40s.. or even just dating back to the Falcon Lake incident.
There were mass sightings across the US to the point that our Airforce openly acknowledged their existence and initiated Project Blue Book. There's just no way that was our tech back then, right around the time in which we first discovered the power of the atom. There's no way we had atomic flying aircraft without any obvious signs of propulsion, rapid acceleration, and moving at enormous speeds without breaking the sound barrier dating back earlier than the 50s...
I personally reached the tipping point in which I genuinely believe it's less reasonable to deny the existence of UAP. Characteristics of these UAP have remained consistent across decades, our government has admitted they exist, secret black projects have been uncovered, many documents have been declassified and leaked... I find it much harder to believe that all of this consistency across decades is merely coincidence.
If anyone reading this truly considers themselves a rational skeptic, please at least watch the first episode of the documentary I linked and read the information from my comment before responding to me.
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That's pretty nifty that the bot did that for every link..
Gish gabbing.
Are you going to address what I wrote or copy and paste your text wall again?
What do you want me to address? How about you try acting like a mature adult instead of just dismissing things without consideration and insulting me?
I wanted to provide additional context that there is a lot more to the UAP topic than David Grusch's testimony. That's all everyone is focusing on. I perceived your comment as an open invitation for information on the subject.
If you want to be an ass to me and just reject everything, that's just your poor judgment. Don't mistake your arrogance for intelligence, and your arrogance doesn't justify being an ass to others.
Even if I'm wrong, at least I'm treating others with respect and trying to have a substantive discussion. You're just commenting like a toxic redditor.
Blocked.
Ha, so cringeworthy and pathetic. God forbid you see a dissenting view.
Yeah, kind of overkill for someone to block you over that exchange.
According to a guy who straight up says he wasn't actually read into said program, and has no actual firsthand knowledge or evidence. Might as well stuff Alex Jones in a uniform and put him up there.
"But how could the government keep it a secret!"
Your post is exactly how.
Instead of saying "ok let's see if this guy is telling the truth" we have "pfftt, aliens aren't real, take off the tinfoil hat."
Ridiculously effective.
This is the exact same logic that leads to “stop the steal” and pizzagate nonsense
So, who are these harmed and murdered people exactly? And how do you differentiate between these claims of alien spacecraft and general top secret aircraft engineering that would also have such strict security?
And all of these harmed and murdered people conveniently have no relatives speaking up about it either lol. It's always hand wavey and lacking evidence.
You're asking for people who claim that their missing relatives were abducted by aliens and the government is trying to cover it up?
Pretty sure we've all heard those stories.
This comment feels pretty tongue in cheek to be honest. If your goal is for people to take the question of UFOs/aliens seriously, then I would suggest being a little more sincere/productive with your responses. Just my two cents.
Same old UFO shit, some guy says some crazy shit, no evidence is produced.
The funds being diverted is the real news. I bet they are being diverted to a secret "alien program" that is just someone's pocket. Slap some rumors and top secretness on there, and you are able to grift for decades.
So you don't think Congress should look into funds being diverted into some black operation then someone's pocket with 0 oversight?