CIA boss says west should not be intimidated by Russia’s nuclear threats

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CIA boss says west should not be intimidated by Russia’s nuclear threats
theguardian.com

Western leaders should not be intimidated by Kremlin threats of nuclear escalation, the head of the CIA said on Saturday, and be willing to consider allowing Anglo-French Storm Shadow missiles to be used inside Russia.

Bill Burns, on a visit to London alongside the head of MI6, said the US had brushed off a previous Russian nuclear scare in autumn 2022, demonstrating that threats from Moscow should not always be taken literally.

“Putin’s a bully. He’s going to continue to sabre rattle from time to time,” Burns said. “We cannot afford to be intimidated by that sabre rattling … we got to be mindful of it. The US has provided enormous support for Ukraine, and I’m sure the president will consider other ways in which we can support them.”

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I’m not worried about being nuked, necessarily. I’m more worried about our nukes becoming their nukes, by way of installing one particular treasonous orange asshole as president. Again.

I’m more worried about their misinformation and meddling.

Putler is [most likely] a sociopath. He's has no morals but he's not clinically insane. The only thing using nukes would guarantee for him is his own death, which he must certainly be aware of.

...if Russia even has any functioning nukes.

Putin also has grandchildren. I imagine he cares about a legacy. People like him usually do.

I agree with your first paragraph 100%.

Re: your second, we know Russia has functioning nukes because, at least until a year and a half ago, we used to go and inspect them on a regular basis.

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Somehow the threat of nuclear war, billions of deaths and the collapse of society, alongside a climate changing nuclear winter just isn’t that concerning when I already know climate change is going to do as much damage already.

They said the same thing when he was repeatedly lining up troops along Ukraine's border.

It's not a problem until it is. They need to be making more progress on peace talks. It's unacceptable this war has gone on for this long and killed this many people.

They need to be making more progress on peace talks

Sic vis pacem...

We are having peace talks, right now.

Every bullet we send, every Russian soldier we help kill, is us saying we will never stop until they withdraw every soldier.

They're Russians, they don't understand any other language. Crimea should have made that clear.

They said the same thing when he was repeatedly lining up troops along Ukraine’s border.

Who's 'they'? The US warned the world repeatedly that Putin was planning an invasion. They spent a month prior to the full-scale invasion herding skeptical cats in Europe trying to get everyone on the same page.

They need to be making more progress on peace talks. It’s unacceptable this war has gone on for this long and killed this many people.

Vatnik-tier opinion. No need to waste anybody's time on a serious reply.

Peace with Putin in practice means removing his means of attacking

They're getting their supplies from North Korea.... It won't be long until they're fighting with sticks.

Exactly: "more progress on peace talks" in this context is just a tankie dog-whistle for "capitulating to Russia's land-grabbing."

Could be over pretty quick if the bully would fuck off back home and leave Ukraine alone.

Agreed, but that's not happening. It's wild that the only possible options anybody sees right now are all-out war or Putin suddenly having a change of heart, and anybody who considers there might be other avenues to pursue is ridiculous.

Fine, the war goes on, and we'll see hundreds of thousands of people continue to die. Nothing else anybody in the entire world can do, it all rests on Putin changing his mind, and we'll just have to wait it out. Sucks to suck for all of those people, their families, and their descendants who are going to grow up in a country that's going to take generations to rebuild.

Agreed, but that's not happening

OK, then we get to see which runs out first, the US military budget from 20 years ago, or Russia's military age male population.

My money is on our defense spending, and we have lots of video evidence backing that up.

Either he goes home now, or he just runs out of boys. Or Ukraine comes for him at this rate.

He will run out of people, at the expense of both Russian human beings and Ukrainian human beings. That's the best case scenario with continued war, assuming it doesn't escalate to directly include other countries.

He's not going to stop till he is stopped.

The more aid and weapons we give Ukraine, the fewer Ukrainian and more Russian lives are lost.

Hitler taught us appeasement just rewards more aggression, we can't let this go.

What would be achieved by peace talks? Putin will dig deeper into the lands they occupy and get more time to rebuild their army and strike even harder. It's been proven that he can't be trusted.

After all, Putin just wants peace... A piece of Ukraine, a piece of Moldova, a piece of Poland...

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