They have to pray Apple doesn’t hear that. Else they’d get a warning or get straight up booted from the AppStore.
That would be hilarious, the site would really be fucked if they did that.
These people running Reddit are idiots.
Hey! As an idiot myself, I take a fence.
The people running most large things, like reddit or countries, are idiots because people with half a brain are smart enough to see that that's not a position you want to put yourself in. Anyone who can see the enormity of the responsibility nope out a lot sooner than reaching that level of governance, and the idiots who can't see filter through.
I have to imagine there are more than a couple reddit staff who are supremely annoyed/pissed about this whole mess. They probably work at reddit because they love it and now they have to oversee it being turned to shit.
Those are probably the ones constantly leaking internal spez memos.
This is great watching the drama from my new "home" here on kbin. I'm so happy that you all are here too, giving me tons to read.
Is it though? It kind of feels like you broke up with someone but are still getting constant updates about who they're currently fucking the minute you left.
I guess that's some people's kink.
lol it's more about seeing how your ex is crazy and digging themselves a hole after you left them.
Yeah this is all real "dodged a bullet" energy and I love it.
It's more like watching them post about how bad a date went or hearing about how they got kicked out of Wendy's.
I haven't subbed to any reddit related magazines/communities here but they pop up on all. I do think it's probably healthier for people and this platform to move on. I do get why people still want to hear about shenanigans.
It's an ongoing shit show, and given the migration, it does affect us. So it is worthwhile to keep an eye on it.
Plus, many of us Reddit refugees cared about the communities we participated in. Even if we don't care for Reddit as a company anymore, we do care about the communities we left behind.
It will naturally taper off after the end of the month exodus happens and people settle down into their new communities. Lemmy doesn't have the underlying culture associated with it that reddit has developed over the last decade or so. That is something that will develop over time. until then we're all ex redditors more than we are lemmites (lemmings? lemmiers?).
More like leaving a dysfunctional job for a better one and watching the place implode from outside.
I know spent so much time on Reddit that it seemed like a second job at times....
They should tell this story to news oultlets, I bet many of them would be happy to publish it, The Verge comes to mind, they've been pretty accurate so far in covering the protest.
If nothing else, this proves that Reddit admins don't fundamentally understand the platform. They may understand the back-end, and how to interact with ad servers to monetize content, but they don't understand how to effectively moderate communities. it never occured to them that they would need to scrub all the NSFW content before removing the tag?
In some places, that may even be illegal. And the Reddit admins have no one but themselves to blame, because they're the one that removed the tag without due diligence.
I've given up all hope for Reddit as a platform now. Mods should give up, too, and resign en masse. The Admins may be able to assign a few dozen of the largest subs to those power mods who are already favored by the Royal Court, but If this is any indication they have no way to maintain all of Reddit without the unpaid volunteer community they are shitting on.
They have long since abandoned logic. Just let it burn, I say.
Wtf are they doing at Reddit. What an absolute dog shit of a company.
That's fucked up. What there reasoning behind that?
I think it went like this:
Mods make thier subs private in protest
Mods get threatened to lose mod powers if they dont reopen thier subs
Mods reopen thier subs but only as nsfw subs
Admins decide to intervene by disabling nsfw
Admins accidentally (or on purpose idk) disable nsfw on porn subs
I don't think it's porn subs.
Some subs went to allow NSFW (and porn) as protest, as you said, and reddit admins disabled the NSFW tag on those subs which decided to allow porn and become NSFW.
And so disabled the NSFW warning on porn posts.
To add to that, if a sub is tagged as nsfw, there are no ads (to not scare of advertisers).
Some sub mods indirectly invited users to post porn, so they became nsfw subs by protest.
It was great thinking IMO. They just care about the advertisements and investors. They don’t care about who will watch what content.
It sounds like they're just removing the NSFW tag site-wide instead of using the manpower to manually check each sub to see if it was NSFW before the protests.
What a fucking fumble, using the iron fist approach on the people who supply and moderate literally all of their content for free surely won't have any repercussions.
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by imcompetence."
¿Por que no los dos?
I swear I've heard the term malicious incompetence before.
Without defending the reddit admins as they seem to go bonkers atm but I am genuinely interested if there is any possibility to verify for us any claims made?
There are screenshots of the mod log showing the "Moderator Code of Conduct" admin account going in and reverting the NSFW settings on multiple subs. Yeah screenshots aren't always trustworthy but that's really the best you're going to get with this. It's not out of character for Spez though, so I'm not giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt.
As one of the mods of r/TIHI I can assure you the screenshots were real.
Any chance you're modding a similar community here on kbin or Lemmy?
I don't think it's possible that they could have handled this worse
If there's one thing I've come to realize during this whole debacle, it's that they absolutely can, and probably will tomorrow.
I'm still struggling to believe that they've taken the wrong turn at every point.
When this whole thing happened I figured they'd soften their stance a bit, only to go back on it months or years later and essentially boil the frog slowly.
I figured I'd just move to the official app, not that big a deal, especially if they improve it.
Yet 2 weeks later I've deleted reddit and running Jerboa now, the way the community rallied is nothing short of incredible and I'm really proud to be here.
Never underestimate the power of greed and stupidity. They can handle this worse. The NSFW subreddits are difficult if not impossible to monetise. Reddit is also one of the biggest providers of porn on the Internet.
It'll be interesting how they resolve this conflict. I suspect that's when handling it worse will kick in.
They have to pray Apple doesn’t hear that. Else they’d get a warning or get straight up booted from the AppStore.
That would be hilarious, the site would really be fucked if they did that.
These people running Reddit are idiots.
Hey! As an idiot myself, I take a fence.
The people running most large things, like reddit or countries, are idiots because people with half a brain are smart enough to see that that's not a position you want to put yourself in. Anyone who can see the enormity of the responsibility nope out a lot sooner than reaching that level of governance, and the idiots who can't see filter through.
I have to imagine there are more than a couple reddit staff who are supremely annoyed/pissed about this whole mess. They probably work at reddit because they love it and now they have to oversee it being turned to shit.
Those are probably the ones constantly leaking internal spez memos.
This is great watching the drama from my new "home" here on kbin. I'm so happy that you all are here too, giving me tons to read.
Is it though? It kind of feels like you broke up with someone but are still getting constant updates about who they're currently fucking the minute you left.
I guess that's some people's kink.
lol it's more about seeing how your ex is crazy and digging themselves a hole after you left them.
Yeah this is all real "dodged a bullet" energy and I love it.
It's more like watching them post about how bad a date went or hearing about how they got kicked out of Wendy's.
I haven't subbed to any reddit related magazines/communities here but they pop up on all. I do think it's probably healthier for people and this platform to move on. I do get why people still want to hear about shenanigans.
It's an ongoing shit show, and given the migration, it does affect us. So it is worthwhile to keep an eye on it.
Plus, many of us Reddit refugees cared about the communities we participated in. Even if we don't care for Reddit as a company anymore, we do care about the communities we left behind.
It will naturally taper off after the end of the month exodus happens and people settle down into their new communities. Lemmy doesn't have the underlying culture associated with it that reddit has developed over the last decade or so. That is something that will develop over time. until then we're all ex redditors more than we are lemmites (lemmings? lemmiers?).
More like leaving a dysfunctional job for a better one and watching the place implode from outside.
I know spent so much time on Reddit that it seemed like a second job at times....
They should tell this story to news oultlets, I bet many of them would be happy to publish it, The Verge comes to mind, they've been pretty accurate so far in covering the protest.
If nothing else, this proves that Reddit admins don't fundamentally understand the platform. They may understand the back-end, and how to interact with ad servers to monetize content, but they don't understand how to effectively moderate communities. it never occured to them that they would need to scrub all the NSFW content before removing the tag?
In some places, that may even be illegal. And the Reddit admins have no one but themselves to blame, because they're the one that removed the tag without due diligence.
I've given up all hope for Reddit as a platform now. Mods should give up, too, and resign en masse. The Admins may be able to assign a few dozen of the largest subs to those power mods who are already favored by the Royal Court, but If this is any indication they have no way to maintain all of Reddit without the unpaid volunteer community they are shitting on.
They have long since abandoned logic. Just let it burn, I say.
Wtf are they doing at Reddit. What an absolute dog shit of a company.
That's fucked up. What there reasoning behind that?
I think it went like this:
Mods make thier subs private in protest
Mods get threatened to lose mod powers if they dont reopen thier subs
Mods reopen thier subs but only as nsfw subs
Admins decide to intervene by disabling nsfw
Admins accidentally (or on purpose idk) disable nsfw on porn subs
I don't think it's porn subs.
Some subs went to allow NSFW (and porn) as protest, as you said, and reddit admins disabled the NSFW tag on those subs which decided to allow porn and become NSFW.
And so disabled the NSFW warning on porn posts.
To add to that, if a sub is tagged as nsfw, there are no ads (to not scare of advertisers). Some sub mods indirectly invited users to post porn, so they became nsfw subs by protest.
It was great thinking IMO. They just care about the advertisements and investors. They don’t care about who will watch what content.
It sounds like they're just removing the NSFW tag site-wide instead of using the manpower to manually check each sub to see if it was NSFW before the protests.
What a fucking fumble, using the iron fist approach on the people who supply and moderate literally all of their content for free surely won't have any repercussions.
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by imcompetence."
¿Por que no los dos?
I swear I've heard the term malicious incompetence before.
Without defending the reddit admins as they seem to go bonkers atm but I am genuinely interested if there is any possibility to verify for us any claims made?
There are screenshots of the mod log showing the "Moderator Code of Conduct" admin account going in and reverting the NSFW settings on multiple subs. Yeah screenshots aren't always trustworthy but that's really the best you're going to get with this. It's not out of character for Spez though, so I'm not giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt.
As one of the mods of r/TIHI I can assure you the screenshots were real.
Any chance you're modding a similar community here on kbin or Lemmy?
I don't think it's possible that they could have handled this worse
If there's one thing I've come to realize during this whole debacle, it's that they absolutely can, and probably will tomorrow.
I'm still struggling to believe that they've taken the wrong turn at every point.
When this whole thing happened I figured they'd soften their stance a bit, only to go back on it months or years later and essentially boil the frog slowly. I figured I'd just move to the official app, not that big a deal, especially if they improve it.
Yet 2 weeks later I've deleted reddit and running Jerboa now, the way the community rallied is nothing short of incredible and I'm really proud to be here.
Never underestimate the power of greed and stupidity. They can handle this worse. The NSFW subreddits are difficult if not impossible to monetise. Reddit is also one of the biggest providers of porn on the Internet. It'll be interesting how they resolve this conflict. I suspect that's when handling it worse will kick in.