V8s have a great sound, but americans have historically been very bad at getting any kind of fuel mileage out of them.
downsizing would be an idea, you could technically make a 2-3 Liter V8, but then you have the complexity of two equally performing 4-cilynder engines.
and especially ford doesn't do mechanical complexity very well, look at the 1.0 ecoboost.
There's nothing more American than a V8 that churns out a shockingly small amount of power and turns petrol into literally nothing.
In...the...60s-70s maybe. Today's V8 mustangs and camaros pump out 400-700HP depending on model. Yea fuel mileage still sucks but it's improved from those old models. Definitely not something you should get if you want fuel efficiency.
I can't tell if you're just being facetious.
and gotta have them pushrods in 2024!
Ford haven't used pushrod mustang engines since the 4.6 from the early 90's.
Does anyone who buys a mustang care if it gets good MPG?
Certainly not a priority, but Ford still has to meet certain standards that as I understand it keeps getting tougher.
The 3.0 3VZFE from Toyota was always mocked as the “fuel efficiency of a V8, power of a 4 cyl”. The motor was a joke and the 5VZFE that came later was much improved.
Ford does decent with their V8 cars (they’ve had most issues with the 1.0, 1.5, and 2.7 ecoboosts), although the EPA ratings are tight. To get a good idea you’d have to compare equally, like finding another 5.0L, 480hp car that weighs 4,000 lbs (or at least that ballpark). they’re not terribly common.
I think the most common failure on a mod family V8 was either cam phasers or spark plugs. Which thankfully they fixed on the coyote. Other than that the car will die before the engine.
When I bought my 2016 mustang, I got 27.5 mpg on the trip home. I’ve averaged 30 before. They’re efficient if you stay under 3k rpm’s most of the time. City driving they’re ok, I get 18. Averaged over the life of the car I have got 24 mpg total. Which for a 3,800lb 435hp car is pretty damn good.
Throwing that Americans get bad mpg out of V8’s is a bit skewed. Gas is cheap here (relatively) and they’re mostly in trucks/suv’s and not cars. Like currently it’s $2.50/gallon at my Costco.
Not to mention, heavy duty “light trucks” like the F250 or GM2500 and up, do not have to adhere to any mileage standards and are exempt.
I used to drive exclusively V8s for a long time. But EVs give you the same low end torque that allows you to rip through traffic but without the terrible fuel economy.
I wouldn’t be against an electric mustang (not an suv) with a simulated manual gearbox.
I hope one day someone is gonna create such an affordable EV dream 🤞
Toyota has a manual EV in prototyping and it even simulates stalling or lugging gears.
I’m happy they are still making V8’s but I don’t know if I would still see myself driving a V8 as a daily.
Maybe if synthetic fuel become way easier to produce, but I’m now thinking too much about climate change.
Still the noise of a V8 is irreplaceable!
I got my first one a couple years ago. It's so nice having the torque and being able to do 100mph at 2500rpm through the middle of no where.
I am so tired of buying gas. I average 26 so not terrible but it's premium and I commute 70 miles a day. My next car will most likely be a hybrid. I can't justify the waste of money and resources just to have a bit of fun.
Just bring back the design from 60s and 70s and see the sales skyrocket
Except that they wouldn’t be able to sell them today.
V8s have a great sound, but americans have historically been very bad at getting any kind of fuel mileage out of them.
downsizing would be an idea, you could technically make a 2-3 Liter V8, but then you have the complexity of two equally performing 4-cilynder engines.
and especially ford doesn't do mechanical complexity very well, look at the 1.0 ecoboost.
There's nothing more American than a V8 that churns out a shockingly small amount of power and turns petrol into literally nothing.
In...the...60s-70s maybe. Today's V8 mustangs and camaros pump out 400-700HP depending on model. Yea fuel mileage still sucks but it's improved from those old models. Definitely not something you should get if you want fuel efficiency.
I can't tell if you're just being facetious.
and gotta have them pushrods in 2024!
Ford haven't used pushrod mustang engines since the 4.6 from the early 90's.
Does anyone who buys a mustang care if it gets good MPG?
Certainly not a priority, but Ford still has to meet certain standards that as I understand it keeps getting tougher.
The 3.0 3VZFE from Toyota was always mocked as the “fuel efficiency of a V8, power of a 4 cyl”. The motor was a joke and the 5VZFE that came later was much improved.
Ford does decent with their V8 cars (they’ve had most issues with the 1.0, 1.5, and 2.7 ecoboosts), although the EPA ratings are tight. To get a good idea you’d have to compare equally, like finding another 5.0L, 480hp car that weighs 4,000 lbs (or at least that ballpark). they’re not terribly common.
I think the most common failure on a mod family V8 was either cam phasers or spark plugs. Which thankfully they fixed on the coyote. Other than that the car will die before the engine.
When I bought my 2016 mustang, I got 27.5 mpg on the trip home. I’ve averaged 30 before. They’re efficient if you stay under 3k rpm’s most of the time. City driving they’re ok, I get 18. Averaged over the life of the car I have got 24 mpg total. Which for a 3,800lb 435hp car is pretty damn good.
Throwing that Americans get bad mpg out of V8’s is a bit skewed. Gas is cheap here (relatively) and they’re mostly in trucks/suv’s and not cars. Like currently it’s $2.50/gallon at my Costco.
Not to mention, heavy duty “light trucks” like the F250 or GM2500 and up, do not have to adhere to any mileage standards and are exempt.
I used to drive exclusively V8s for a long time. But EVs give you the same low end torque that allows you to rip through traffic but without the terrible fuel economy.
I wouldn’t be against an electric mustang (not an suv) with a simulated manual gearbox.
I hope one day someone is gonna create such an affordable EV dream 🤞
Toyota has a manual EV in prototyping and it even simulates stalling or lugging gears.
I’m happy they are still making V8’s but I don’t know if I would still see myself driving a V8 as a daily.
Maybe if synthetic fuel become way easier to produce, but I’m now thinking too much about climate change.
Still the noise of a V8 is irreplaceable!
I got my first one a couple years ago. It's so nice having the torque and being able to do 100mph at 2500rpm through the middle of no where.
I am so tired of buying gas. I average 26 so not terrible but it's premium and I commute 70 miles a day. My next car will most likely be a hybrid. I can't justify the waste of money and resources just to have a bit of fun.
Just bring back the design from 60s and 70s and see the sales skyrocket
Except that they wouldn’t be able to sell them today.
not without tweaks
They will be until it hurts sales.
It may not yet, but it will. Higher cost for lower performance won't look good on a Mustang.
Considering the Camaro, Challenger, and Charger are gone things should be good for the Mustang.
Ego go vroom!