It’s good to separate this celebratory killings, or professional killings, or accidental killings, or the many other types of killings with firearms in america. I’m not sure why, but it seems important.
Is it unreasonable to want to know why the shooting happened?
"Sources say the shooting was related to someone wanting to hurt someone else. Bullets were possibly fired in anger. Blood may have come out of one or more wounds."
In the US we need to differentiate between the Taxi Driver/Columbine variety from the "why I oughtta" variety.
The bullets do not differentiate.
The people that got hurt & even died from getting trampled as people shoved to get away from the active mass shooting event did not differentiate either.
And it's so stupid. As if the reason for a mass shooting matters.
Don't you think that if we are ever going to stop this kind of thing we have to address the reasons? When tiny disputes erupt in gun fire, that's a very good reason to implement more gun control. It's evidence that widespread gun availability does NOT actually make us safer. When it's an unmedicated kid killing strangers or whatever, then people get to hide behind the "we don't know why this happened, if only there was a good guy with a gun" etc.
To the victims, yeah it probably matters little. To people reading headlines? Yeah terrorism is different than school shooting type crimes which are different from your average "this is why guns are banned at bars".
IT'S THE GUNS DUDE
It does.
It could be terrorism when it's in a crowded stadium.
It could be gang related, which means it's part of a larger continuous conflict.
It could just be drunk idiots.
If it were the first option that would have major ramifications for the safety of stadiums and other large functions. More rules, less attendance, etc.
If it's drunk idiots, we'll arrest them, treat the victims, put another entry in the book of reasons why there shouldn't be open carry in crowded venues, and move on.
It seems to me like both have major ramifications for the safety of large functions.
Yeah, we just can't get our government to care. But if it smells like terrorism, we have a track record of invading people about it. And not necessarily the people responsible.
Do we, though? Neither of them should have access to guns.
Yes but making that argument might be a bit easier if it's shown that MORE GUNS doesn't really equal more good guys with guns, it means more people in arguments that end up deadly.
Allegedly.
It rules out a politically motivated shooting which is something. Still vague but it’s more info than we had yesterday.
Rick?
Not me!
Can I have a bite?
I'm nutritious and delicious
@Wilshire Americans seem to be relatively unpurturbed by these incidents. They are a familiar part of US culture now.
I feel like I'm one of the only ones who still is. Every time I read one of these stories I feel horrible. And I read them every day.
Many, many of us are. The popular “America bad” narrative certainly makes it feel like you’re alone but you are definitely not.
@natecox@FlyingSquid
It has nothing to do with 'America Bad.' It has everything to do with a social problem that is allowed to persist.
@FlyingSquid In the not too distant future, being shot dead will be as common as catching a cold in the US.
I mean... yeah - they happen literally every single day so...
The argument: “What do you mean guns shouldn’t be a part of the American identity?!”
USA is the least safe of highly developed economies.
It’s good to separate this celebratory killings, or professional killings, or accidental killings, or the many other types of killings with firearms in america. I’m not sure why, but it seems important.
Is it unreasonable to want to know why the shooting happened?
Because if you separate them out, it makes it look less bad.
I mean still awful, but less bad.
It's so everyone else can see how much higher our score is in any given category.
Advanced countries don't carry guns all the time.
Just one country has this problem....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Canada
Canada's Shootings Rise 869% As American Guns Flood In
Canada Risks Following the Path of the U.S. on Gun Violence
I feel like the US has been a bad influence, but I did learn more about Canadian politics, so thank you for the link
LMAO those are rookie numbers. Not even comparable
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Could that headline have less information?
"Sources say the shooting was related to someone wanting to hurt someone else. Bullets were possibly fired in anger. Blood may have come out of one or more wounds."
In the US we need to differentiate between the Taxi Driver/Columbine variety from the "why I oughtta" variety.
The bullets do not differentiate.
The people that got hurt & even died from getting trampled as people shoved to get away from the active mass shooting event did not differentiate either.
And it's so stupid. As if the reason for a mass shooting matters.
Don't you think that if we are ever going to stop this kind of thing we have to address the reasons? When tiny disputes erupt in gun fire, that's a very good reason to implement more gun control. It's evidence that widespread gun availability does NOT actually make us safer. When it's an unmedicated kid killing strangers or whatever, then people get to hide behind the "we don't know why this happened, if only there was a good guy with a gun" etc.
To the victims, yeah it probably matters little. To people reading headlines? Yeah terrorism is different than school shooting type crimes which are different from your average "this is why guns are banned at bars".
IT'S THE GUNS DUDE
It does.
It could be terrorism when it's in a crowded stadium. It could be gang related, which means it's part of a larger continuous conflict. It could just be drunk idiots.
If it were the first option that would have major ramifications for the safety of stadiums and other large functions. More rules, less attendance, etc.
If it's drunk idiots, we'll arrest them, treat the victims, put another entry in the book of reasons why there shouldn't be open carry in crowded venues, and move on.
It seems to me like both have major ramifications for the safety of large functions.
Yeah, we just can't get our government to care. But if it smells like terrorism, we have a track record of invading people about it. And not necessarily the people responsible.
Do we, though? Neither of them should have access to guns.
Yes but making that argument might be a bit easier if it's shown that MORE GUNS doesn't really equal more good guys with guns, it means more people in arguments that end up deadly.
Allegedly.
It rules out a politically motivated shooting which is something. Still vague but it’s more info than we had yesterday.
Rick?
Not me!
Can I have a bite?
I'm nutritious and delicious
@Wilshire Americans seem to be relatively unpurturbed by these incidents. They are a familiar part of US culture now.
I feel like I'm one of the only ones who still is. Every time I read one of these stories I feel horrible. And I read them every day.
Many, many of us are. The popular “America bad” narrative certainly makes it feel like you’re alone but you are definitely not.
@natecox @FlyingSquid
It has nothing to do with 'America Bad.' It has everything to do with a social problem that is allowed to persist.
@FlyingSquid In the not too distant future, being shot dead will be as common as catching a cold in the US.
I mean... yeah - they happen literally every single day so...
The argument: “What do you mean guns shouldn’t be a part of the American identity?!”
USA is the least safe of highly developed economies.
Probably over their shitty parking.