Yep. The Fediverse has a lot of growing room in the QOL department and is hampered by the relatively small (and often part time) dev teams working on it. Meta comes in, builds a compatible platform, then starts offering meta-platform only 'improvements' that offer those QOL features. Rest of the Fediverse dies out because 'meta' isn't that bad and they aren't abusing their position (yet).
That's super depressing
Microsoft literally invented the term, but even they've abandoned the philosophy and pivoted to contributing to the development of open source software. Who's to say "Meta" won't be making contributions to the development of ActivityPub itself like Microsoft does with Chromium? I won't be signing up for Threads since I already have Mastodon, but I'm also unconcerned with it joining the wider fediverse and look forward to following the people who do use it from my Mastodon account.
Ummm... You do know this is Meta we're talking about right?
Microsoft changed and so could Meta. They’re out to make money not just to be evil so if they think this will make them money they would do it.
They also won't hesitate to be evil if they think that will make them more money.
That's true but connecting to the fediverse is definitely trying to keep the government off their back about being a monopoly. Playing nice is in their best interests for now. If that ever changes they can be defederated at the point.
Microsoft could just as easily change back, too.
Meta makes a lot of contributions to open source. Jest and pytorch are two tools they have made open source. They have their eyes on killing Twitter and connecting to one of the biggest alternatives is a smart move, but eventually if all goes well they won't need mastadon anymore. That's the concern I think. Once threads is big enough they will quietly remove activitypub support and screw up mastadon in the process.
If the founder of Mastodon isn't worried about Threads, I won't be, either.
You absolutely should be. If Mastodon instances will start federating with Meta I will defederate them. And move my accounts from any instance that federates with them.
His lack of worry seems to be founded in Meta Defederating, not federating, though. Meta would do more harm by being a part of the community than by leaving a ways down the road. It seems like a particularly myopic view of possible problems with Metas move.
Saved for later, but small startups/operations always know the will play second fiddle and be the smaller guy.
EEE famously doesnt work very well, Microsoft who coined the phrase even gave up on it after a number of unsuccessful attempts
I wish people would stop spamming EEE
There have been a number of times where it successfully stifled the advance of a more free or open technology. It can't necessarily "extinguish" in the sense of totally destroying a technology, but it can destroy the openness of the technological landscape. Just look at how Google has layered their crap on top of the open core of Android. Or look at how Apple has successfully gotten like a third of all iPhone users to be openly hostile to anyone who uses SMS and/or 3.5mm jacks. Or hell, look at what's going on with Reddit.
I'm of the opinion that people who look down on you for not using their chosen product are just awful people to have in your life. You don't want to be interacting with that toxic behaviour anyway.
Cut them out and make it clear: they are awful, not because of the product, but because of their behaviour.
The nice thing with open source software, there is relatively little stopping you from using it.
The nice thing with open source software, there is relatively little stopping you from using it.
Except of course if your workplace or educational institution has some restriction or imposition on the software you use. Which tends to be the result of the ubiquitous nature of proprietary software.
More like it is taking a shot at Mastodon, Lemmy and Kbin. They are trying to make a product that nets them financial gain out of the fediverse. So if we are federated with them then they will be able to see everything from other instances except all users of "Threads" will get their data stolen and sold by Facebook for profit.
Federating or not federating with Threads in the context of them “slurping data” is a ridiculous discussion. They can just stand up a Lemmy instance at billjoejimbob.com and slurp it indirectly out of there.
I suppose there is no stopping them in that regard. They will do what they do. The best we can do is simply not use their app.
I'd be more worried about just the general polluting of sites like Lemmy with Facebook type garbage more than anything else personally.
They get very little if they're not hosting.
Defederating means that Meta won't be able to use everyone else for content generation.
So less people will join Threads because there's less content if no one federates them
Threads has been live approximately three hours, now. I see at least two people who have amassed over 100K followers. Several in the 50 to 90K range and 10K+ followers for miles.
The idea that defederating them is going to deprive them of content is just silly.
Meta is straight-up evil. Their whistleblowers proved it. They will do anything to control and ultimately destroy a community through invading privacy for monetization. They should be defederated instantly and universally.
No matter what they say; no matter how benevolent they seem; and no matter what they offer, their intentions are evil, as is their endgame. They won’t keep their word, and they’ll destroy everything here. Don’t fall for it.
Fuck Meta and Zuck
If you're not going to immediately defederate from Meta instances the Fediverse baby will be strangled in the crib.
Maybe less taking a shot at reddit and more trying to differentiate itself from the other major platforms. At least that's how I see it
Yeah, I'm failing to see how Reddit is relevant here. Am I missing something?
I think it's taking a shot at Twitter primarily but starting the EEE on Mastodon, Pleroma, etc. Lemmy/Kbin is not entirely safe, but not in the direct line-of-fire from what I can tell.
I lurked real quick. I don't get it though. There's no communities that I see on there just peeps to follow. It's like mastodon without hashtags, trending, news, etc.
Probably more taking a shot at mastodon and blue-sky. Blue-sky still hasn't actually federated with the rest of the fediverse so I doubt whether threads will actually do what they are saying. maybe they are just using it as marketing. They wouldn't make money from ads if people just used a mastodon instance to follow people on threads.
Personally I think they'd have to charge monthly for their curating algorithms.
maybe one day there will be loads of small instances that each have their own bespoke curating systems that you can choose from.
I'll just leave this here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Yep. The Fediverse has a lot of growing room in the QOL department and is hampered by the relatively small (and often part time) dev teams working on it. Meta comes in, builds a compatible platform, then starts offering meta-platform only 'improvements' that offer those QOL features. Rest of the Fediverse dies out because 'meta' isn't that bad and they aren't abusing their position (yet).
That's super depressing
Microsoft literally invented the term, but even they've abandoned the philosophy and pivoted to contributing to the development of open source software. Who's to say "Meta" won't be making contributions to the development of ActivityPub itself like Microsoft does with Chromium? I won't be signing up for Threads since I already have Mastodon, but I'm also unconcerned with it joining the wider fediverse and look forward to following the people who do use it from my Mastodon account.
Ummm... You do know this is Meta we're talking about right?
Microsoft changed and so could Meta. They’re out to make money not just to be evil so if they think this will make them money they would do it.
They also won't hesitate to be evil if they think that will make them more money.
That's true but connecting to the fediverse is definitely trying to keep the government off their back about being a monopoly. Playing nice is in their best interests for now. If that ever changes they can be defederated at the point.
Microsoft could just as easily change back, too.
Meta makes a lot of contributions to open source. Jest and pytorch are two tools they have made open source. They have their eyes on killing Twitter and connecting to one of the biggest alternatives is a smart move, but eventually if all goes well they won't need mastadon anymore. That's the concern I think. Once threads is big enough they will quietly remove activitypub support and screw up mastadon in the process.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
If the founder of Mastodon isn't worried about Threads, I won't be, either.
You absolutely should be. If Mastodon instances will start federating with Meta I will defederate them. And move my accounts from any instance that federates with them.
His lack of worry seems to be founded in Meta Defederating, not federating, though. Meta would do more harm by being a part of the community than by leaving a ways down the road. It seems like a particularly myopic view of possible problems with Metas move.
Saved for later, but small startups/operations always know the will play second fiddle and be the smaller guy.
EEE famously doesnt work very well, Microsoft who coined the phrase even gave up on it after a number of unsuccessful attempts
I wish people would stop spamming EEE
There have been a number of times where it successfully stifled the advance of a more free or open technology. It can't necessarily "extinguish" in the sense of totally destroying a technology, but it can destroy the openness of the technological landscape. Just look at how Google has layered their crap on top of the open core of Android. Or look at how Apple has successfully gotten like a third of all iPhone users to be openly hostile to anyone who uses SMS and/or 3.5mm jacks. Or hell, look at what's going on with Reddit.
I'm of the opinion that people who look down on you for not using their chosen product are just awful people to have in your life. You don't want to be interacting with that toxic behaviour anyway.
Cut them out and make it clear: they are awful, not because of the product, but because of their behaviour.
The nice thing with open source software, there is relatively little stopping you from using it.
Except of course if your workplace or educational institution has some restriction or imposition on the software you use. Which tends to be the result of the ubiquitous nature of proprietary software.
Yep, this is precisely what I thought too.
More like it is taking a shot at Mastodon, Lemmy and Kbin. They are trying to make a product that nets them financial gain out of the fediverse. So if we are federated with them then they will be able to see everything from other instances except all users of "Threads" will get their data stolen and sold by Facebook for profit.
Federating or not federating with Threads in the context of them “slurping data” is a ridiculous discussion. They can just stand up a Lemmy instance at billjoejimbob.com and slurp it indirectly out of there.
I suppose there is no stopping them in that regard. They will do what they do. The best we can do is simply not use their app.
I'd be more worried about just the general polluting of sites like Lemmy with Facebook type garbage more than anything else personally.
They get very little if they're not hosting.
Defederating means that Meta won't be able to use everyone else for content generation.
So less people will join Threads because there's less content if no one federates them
Threads has been live approximately three hours, now. I see at least two people who have amassed over 100K followers. Several in the 50 to 90K range and 10K+ followers for miles.
The idea that defederating them is going to deprive them of content is just silly.
Meta is straight-up evil. Their whistleblowers proved it. They will do anything to control and ultimately destroy a community through invading privacy for monetization. They should be defederated instantly and universally.
No matter what they say; no matter how benevolent they seem; and no matter what they offer, their intentions are evil, as is their endgame. They won’t keep their word, and they’ll destroy everything here. Don’t fall for it.
Fuck Meta and Zuck
If you're not going to immediately defederate from Meta instances the Fediverse baby will be strangled in the crib.
Maybe less taking a shot at reddit and more trying to differentiate itself from the other major platforms. At least that's how I see it
Yeah, I'm failing to see how Reddit is relevant here. Am I missing something?
I think it's taking a shot at Twitter primarily but starting the EEE on Mastodon, Pleroma, etc. Lemmy/Kbin is not entirely safe, but not in the direct line-of-fire from what I can tell.
Why Block Meta? https://fedipact.online/why
I lurked real quick. I don't get it though. There's no communities that I see on there just peeps to follow. It's like mastodon without hashtags, trending, news, etc.
Probably more taking a shot at mastodon and blue-sky. Blue-sky still hasn't actually federated with the rest of the fediverse so I doubt whether threads will actually do what they are saying. maybe they are just using it as marketing. They wouldn't make money from ads if people just used a mastodon instance to follow people on threads.
Personally I think they'd have to charge monthly for their curating algorithms. maybe one day there will be loads of small instances that each have their own bespoke curating systems that you can choose from.