Much of Putin's inner circle thinks Ukraine had nothing to do with the Moscow terror attack, badly undermining him, report says

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  • Putin's inner circle isn't buying his claim that Kyiv is connected to the Moscow terror attack, Bloomberg reported.
  • Putin continues to say that Ukraine had a role in the attack, which was claimed by ISIS-K.
  • He thinks that pushing the theory is beneficial for galvanizing support for his war, per Bloomberg.

Many Kremlin insiders disagree with President Vladimir Putin's claims that Ukraine may be connected to last Friday's terror attack in Moscow, Bloomberg reported.

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I'm pretty sure Putin also thinks that Ukraine had nothing to do with it.

There is a CRITICAL piece of information that was neglected in this and most articles:

In the late 90s, a relatively newly minted President Putin was embroiled in a military operation against Chechnya.

Then, there were a series of apartment bombings in Russia. The party line was that they were Chechen terrorists.

Now, a few REALLY strange things happened:

  1. the government accidentally referenced a 4th bombing... 3 days before the bombing occurred

  2. local police foiled a 5th bombing. The people arrested ended up being FSB. Putin was immediately before becoming a leader of Russia was the head of the FSB.

  3. An independent investigation on if the Kremlin was involved resulted in everyone involved being jailed or assasinated.

The strong suspicion was that this was a false flag operation, at least outside of Russia.

The RESULT of the bombing was a massive galvanization of the populace around Putin and his Chechnya war.

So, long story short: this was the event that propelled Putin into the Russian political stratosphere.

There shouldn't be any confusion as to Putin's experience with political gain from terrorist attacks.

I'm not suggesting Putin was responsible for this last attack, but using such an attack for political gain is absolutely a strategy he has succeeded with in the past.

Putin’s apartment bombings in the late 90s were just an all around jaw-droppingly brazen false flag. This bit in particular always gets me:

A suspicious device resembling those used in the bombings was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on 22 September.[3][4] On 23 September, Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[5] Three FSB agents who had planted the devices at Ryazan were arrested by the local police.[6] The next day, FSB director Nikolay Patrushev announced that the incident in Ryazan had been an anti-terror drill and the device found there contained only sugar, and freed the FSB agents involved.[7]

Because the FSB ran a terrorism training op using a package of sugar as a bomb stand-in days after multiple bombings occurred all over the country. And they totally didn’t need anyone else to corroborate that - they’re the FSB, of course they’re trustworthy.

suuuuuuuuure.

I appreciate your citations!

In a documentary I watched on the subject, an "expert" stated that local police had tested the device tested before the FSB grown ups showed up and their findings that they WERE explosives, not sugar.

I don't have a definitive source, but it's my understanding that the "sugar" line actually was actually directly disputed by initial findings.

Full disclosure: I literally just copied part of the wiki text lol

And yeah - I am sure the local cop who tested the explosives had a very long and productive life for the next week, at which point he probably fell off a balcony onto several bullets, head-first.

If he does think they did, that would certainly be the real story here.

Yeah bruh, maybe his inner circle should do something about the blyat who’s ruining them.

Why, though? The new guy might not let them keep their loot and what do they care if a bunch of poor subhumans die in a ditch somewhere else?

You don't get into these positions for good stances on truth and ethics.

You perfectly used the word blyat there.. I spilled my drink laughing!

I'm sure Business Insider has access to the inner circle of Russian government.

It's only a little better, but the Bloomberg article they are cribbing from claims to have sources.

That's not much better than when Fox News reports 'sources say' when they are repeating propaganda. It's an appeal to authority fallacy

Keeping sources identities private is a pretty standard journalistic practice.

It's also a method of appealing to authority. Actual journalists are ostracized and/or jailed. The US is mostly opinion hit piece propaganda

Then fucking do something against it you inner circle twats!

he doesn't care what people think as long as there's total confusion about it

I would actually be even more worried if Putin's inner circle actually believed the propaganda they're currently fabricating.

My speculation is that it was actually Putin... who wanted a reason to blame Ukraine, because he doesn't give AF about Russians. But the false flag operation was so badly designed that ISIL-K could easily claim responsibility, because it fits their MO, and would make them relevant in the public eye.

This has been A cup of tea and a fancy tinfoil hat with Roger Damnermack.

*Smooth jazz starts playing*\

Isis K doesn’t have much motive to claim an attack they weren’t behind, from what I’ve read. Salafist jihadis are decently competitive and vie for the mantle of being the “premier” group that will bring about an Islamic caliphate. They need to come across that way to potential recruits and funding sources to achieve their aims and getting caught claiming responsibility for an attack they didn’t actually do would undermine that credibility in their circles.

I think Isis did perpetrate this and Putin is trying to keep the focus on Ukraine because the alternative is to potentially bring into focus how it easy it was for a bunch of Jihadis to waltz into Moscow and perpetrate a brutal attack because the Russian security apparatus has its hands completely full with Ukraine at the moment.

Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity or incompetence.

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This is the best summary I could come up with:

Many Kremlin insiders disagree with President Vladimir Putin's claims that Ukraine may be connected to last Friday's terror attack in Moscow, Bloomberg reported.

While Putin and some of his followers continue to publicly push the idea of Ukraine's role in the attack, behind the scenes few people in Moscow's top business and political circles support the theory, insiders told the outlet.

On Friday, armed attackers stormed the Crocus City Hall in Moscow, opening fire and killing at least 137 people during a rock concert.

Making no mention of ISIS-K, he said: "They tried to hide and moved towards Ukraine, where according to preliminary data, a window was prepared for them on the Ukrainian side to cross the state border," NPR reported.

"The United States, through various channels, is trying to convince its satellites and other countries of the world that, according to their intelligence data, there is supposedly no Kyiv trace in the Moscow terrorist attack," he said, according to CNBC.

Andrei Soldatov, an expert on the FSB and Russian intelligence, told Bloomberg that Russia's security services "know this was Islamic State, but after Putin's remarks they have no choice but to follow orders and prove that there was Ukrainian or Western involvement."

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Anonynous sources makes claims that push the western agenda. Seems legit