i don't know if i'm a socialist or whatever all i know is that i just want trans and gay people to be able to live their lives, women to not have men make decisions about their bodies, borders to be abolished, people to not want the earth to burn up, and to ducking just care about conserving endangered species.
bonus points for elected officials to behave like fucking grown ass adults for once.
I dont think anything you said would qualify you as a "socialist"
Counterpoint: If you ask most elected officials edit: in the US (of either party), any two of those as policy goals would make you a socialist.
fuck the US, why is it relevant what they think?
You'll find out when we get done with our "Republic" arc and start the "Empire" one.
you have been on the empire thing for literal decades
You ain't seen nothing yet, sheltered child of neoliberalism.
i live in a colony of neoliberalism, im seeing things on a daily basis.
some of which coming from a direct consequence of the empire's decisions. some of which comes from genocides past.
there was never a republic in the first place for us.
And yet you wonder why it's important what America thinks?
Here's hoping you don't find out.
im not wondering if its important or not, i'm saying its not. what is your point?
you seem to get what the empire is capable of, but you dont get that they are actually doing this stuff already as much as they can, everywhere. we are "finding out" by virtue of US's mere existence.
they will oppress us anyway so might as well think about freedom, and it doesnt matter whether or not the US would like socialism for itself or not, or how their deceiving politicians lie about it.
Counter point, countries exist outside the US
Source?
Fair; I've amended my comment.
And sometimes perception is reality.
I think the abolition of borders falls under the umbrella of socialism
Socialism means one thing: democratic control over the economy. It's radically left-wing in most of the world, and because of that socialists also advocate for other radically leftist ideas. I'm one of the radical leftists that don't believe governments should exist at all in their current form, but that's not what makes me a socialist.
isn't government not existing just a form of libertarianism? (not trying to argue or anything; just genuinely curious)
Kind of. Communism itself is described as a Stateless, Classless, moneyless society, and Anarchism is Stateless as well. Socialism is just collective ownership of industry.
before chuds hijacked it, libertarianism was always associated with the left. it was variously called anarchism and libertarian socialism.
Socialism being more international isn't just because it's radical, but because Communism can only exist fully if there is no Capitalism anywhere to re-emerge. What you've said is correct, just incomplete IMO.
That's a progressive outlook, but not a Socialist one, primarily because nothing you said has anything directly to do with Modes of Production.
A Socialist is someone who wants the Means of Production to be collectively shared, rather than privately owned. There are many forms of it, like Syndicalism, Anarchism, Marxism, Market Socialism, etc.
So by your example, a socialist is someone who's not a dick? I can get behind that 😁.
basically :D
Not necessarily. Those things can be fixed without instituting socialism (if they're fixable. That's not a given) and may even be done better without it based on socialism's real record!
Same. I believe in the abolition of hierarchy in all forms and a society based on community and co-operation and don’t believe that any human should have any lever on power or control over any other person.
So…I guess I do know. Never mind.
I would settle for everybody banning TikTok and Facebook usage. That's all I wanted for christmas.
i don't know if i'm a socialist or whatever all i know is that i just want trans and gay people to be able to live their lives, women to not have men make decisions about their bodies, borders to be abolished, people to not want the earth to burn up, and to ducking just care about conserving endangered species.
bonus points for elected officials to behave like fucking grown ass adults for once.
I dont think anything you said would qualify you as a "socialist"
Counterpoint: If you ask most elected officials edit: in the US (of either party), any two of those as policy goals would make you a socialist.
fuck the US, why is it relevant what they think?
You'll find out when we get done with our "Republic" arc and start the "Empire" one.
you have been on the empire thing for literal decades
You ain't seen nothing yet, sheltered child of neoliberalism.
i live in a colony of neoliberalism, im seeing things on a daily basis.
some of which coming from a direct consequence of the empire's decisions. some of which comes from genocides past.
there was never a republic in the first place for us.
And yet you wonder why it's important what America thinks?
Here's hoping you don't find out.
im not wondering if its important or not, i'm saying its not. what is your point?
you seem to get what the empire is capable of, but you dont get that they are actually doing this stuff already as much as they can, everywhere. we are "finding out" by virtue of US's mere existence.
they will oppress us anyway so might as well think about freedom, and it doesnt matter whether or not the US would like socialism for itself or not, or how their deceiving politicians lie about it.
Counter point, countries exist outside the US
Source?
Fair; I've amended my comment.
And sometimes perception is reality.
I think the abolition of borders falls under the umbrella of socialism
Socialism means one thing: democratic control over the economy. It's radically left-wing in most of the world, and because of that socialists also advocate for other radically leftist ideas. I'm one of the radical leftists that don't believe governments should exist at all in their current form, but that's not what makes me a socialist.
isn't government not existing just a form of libertarianism? (not trying to argue or anything; just genuinely curious)
Kind of. Communism itself is described as a Stateless, Classless, moneyless society, and Anarchism is Stateless as well. Socialism is just collective ownership of industry.
before chuds hijacked it, libertarianism was always associated with the left. it was variously called anarchism and libertarian socialism.
Socialism being more international isn't just because it's radical, but because Communism can only exist fully if there is no Capitalism anywhere to re-emerge. What you've said is correct, just incomplete IMO.
Depends on whether you think socialism is inherently globalist, which I wouldn't say is necessarily true.
It might as well be considering the history of cross-country support. Class above nation, after all.
Socialism by definition will take care of most if not all of these
That's a progressive outlook, but not a Socialist one, primarily because nothing you said has anything directly to do with Modes of Production.
A Socialist is someone who wants the Means of Production to be collectively shared, rather than privately owned. There are many forms of it, like Syndicalism, Anarchism, Marxism, Market Socialism, etc.
So by your example, a socialist is someone who's not a dick? I can get behind that 😁.
basically :D
Not necessarily. Those things can be fixed without instituting socialism (if they're fixable. That's not a given) and may even be done better without it based on socialism's real record!
Same. I believe in the abolition of hierarchy in all forms and a society based on community and co-operation and don’t believe that any human should have any lever on power or control over any other person.
So…I guess I do know. Never mind.
I would settle for everybody banning TikTok and Facebook usage. That's all I wanted for christmas.