Looking at the numbers in Canada, the Conservative party would make us believe that car theft is at a level never seen before but the truth is there were proportionally more cars stolen back in the 70s, 80, 90s and sometimes even more cars stolen than now in actual numbers with less cars on the road.
I know it's gonna sound completely crazy but... Maybe it's going up because the economic conditions at the moment make some people desperate and no matter if cars were keyless or not, the same thing would have happened? 🤔
Probably a mix of things. People are more desperate and cars have been artificially inflated in value. A fucking new kia is 40+k today
Adjusted to inflation they've basically kept up on price for the equivalent model, but income hasn't followed inflation...
Another point: for equivalent models. Car manufacturers over the past two decades have been dropping the more affordable sedans and such from their lineups, favouring their more expensive SUVs.
Maybe domestic manufacturers but that's because they built terrible, disposable cars that nobody wanted.
Real wages are actually up even against the high inflation of the last few years.
Highly dependent on your industry and location. There's a lot of people still on actual minimum wage. And it sucks...
Out of all the brands you picked the one that actually has cheap models. A rio starts at 17k and a soul at 20k. Most of its vehicles, including SUVs are sub 40k
You're not going to be able to find base models these days, or if you do they'll come with a bunch of options already installed.
Dealers learned during the shortage that people will pay for the mid range ones if that was their only option.
Regardless, Kia is still a stupid choice to try to prove that particular point.
And it's going to be about 5k more the second you walk in the door because they advertise a price without add ons. They also don't sell one without add ons. Then by the time finance is done you'll be paying at least another 5k.
You Cannot Reason People Out of Something They Were Not Reasoned Into 🤷
Side note, never ever sign the first offer. They call it “first pencil.”
FYI, Canada requires immobilizer by law. We can't be used to compare to other countries for that reason.
I'm pretty sure the only companies that didn't include them as a standard feature until recently was Hyundai/Kia. Back in the 90s and 00s, Hondas were by far the number one stolen vehicle in the US and they had chipped keys.
I mean, yeah for many decades car theft was worse. But it kind of got sorted out. Now with the current, honestly inexcusable vulnerabilities, theft has gotten worse again. There were a number of years with keyless cars they're just fine.
They weren't fine and people were stealing them, just not as much.
Keyless cloning isn't new.
Just a writing tip: separate your points into distinct sections.
Your point makes sense, but reads better when broken up into distinct paragraphs or thoughts.
It's already separated into two paragraphs, separating both points I'm making.
Certainly is after your edits. Thanks.
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I didn't split it in two as an edit, it was split from the get go...
Edit: I looked again and the only difference is that I added "proportionally"
Looking at the numbers in Canada, the Conservative party would make us believe that car theft is at a level never seen before but the truth is there were proportionally more cars stolen back in the 70s, 80, 90s and sometimes even more cars stolen than now in actual numbers with less cars on the road.
I know it's gonna sound completely crazy but... Maybe it's going up because the economic conditions at the moment make some people desperate and no matter if cars were keyless or not, the same thing would have happened? 🤔
Probably a mix of things. People are more desperate and cars have been artificially inflated in value. A fucking new kia is 40+k today
Adjusted to inflation they've basically kept up on price for the equivalent model, but income hasn't followed inflation...
Another point: for equivalent models. Car manufacturers over the past two decades have been dropping the more affordable sedans and such from their lineups, favouring their more expensive SUVs.
Maybe domestic manufacturers but that's because they built terrible, disposable cars that nobody wanted.
Real wages are actually up even against the high inflation of the last few years.
Highly dependent on your industry and location. There's a lot of people still on actual minimum wage. And it sucks...
Out of all the brands you picked the one that actually has cheap models. A rio starts at 17k and a soul at 20k. Most of its vehicles, including SUVs are sub 40k
You're not going to be able to find base models these days, or if you do they'll come with a bunch of options already installed.
Dealers learned during the shortage that people will pay for the mid range ones if that was their only option.
Regardless, Kia is still a stupid choice to try to prove that particular point.
Great now find it for that price at the lot.
https://www.summitplacekiaauburnhills.com/auto/new-2023-kia-rio-lx-auburn-hills-mi/84685084/
And it's going to be about 5k more the second you walk in the door because they advertise a price without add ons. They also don't sell one without add ons. Then by the time finance is done you'll be paying at least another 5k.
You Cannot Reason People Out of Something They Were Not Reasoned Into 🤷
Side note, never ever sign the first offer. They call it “first pencil.”
FYI, Canada requires immobilizer by law. We can't be used to compare to other countries for that reason.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/kia-and-hyundai-vehicles-in-canada-not-affected-by-u-s-theft-issue-automakers-say-1.6252590
I'm pretty sure the only companies that didn't include them as a standard feature until recently was Hyundai/Kia. Back in the 90s and 00s, Hondas were by far the number one stolen vehicle in the US and they had chipped keys.
I mean, yeah for many decades car theft was worse. But it kind of got sorted out. Now with the current, honestly inexcusable vulnerabilities, theft has gotten worse again. There were a number of years with keyless cars they're just fine.
They weren't fine and people were stealing them, just not as much.
Keyless cloning isn't new.
Just a writing tip: separate your points into distinct sections.
Your point makes sense, but reads better when broken up into distinct paragraphs or thoughts.
It's already separated into two paragraphs, separating both points I'm making.
Certainly is after your edits. Thanks.
...
I didn't split it in two as an edit, it was split from the get go...
Edit: I looked again and the only difference is that I added "proportionally"