lol reminds me of when it was explained to me that Russia is an Asian country and if I supported Ukraine it meant I was racist against Asians
That doesn't make any sense on absolutely every level. lol
They will then post an article talking about Russia “reclaiming” its Asian-ness and another that says that it was Asian all along. Then they will downvote you into negative double digits while explaining how horrible a person you are
PS I actually moved here after many months of it. Had no idea what “ml” meant. I joined there because it was the dev instance.
The devs being tankies was one of the reasons why I went with kbin / mbin over Lemmy. It just didn't sit right with me. But I also couldn't stand the layout / design.
I wish I had known! I really do. But I’m here now and it’s ok. This instance is full of nice people for the most part, it’s like 2005-era social media again.
Yeah, that's some fun logic. A equals B, and B equals C, so A equals C. But this isn't math and subsets aren't totality. So hating Russia for warmongering isn't hating Asians for being Asian.
Yiikes the comments there are so toxic its crazy. Glad I've got those instances blocked.
Doesn’t really change the fact that Russia, more or less in its current form, has been bullying its neighbours for half a millenia. Longer, if you count the Grand Duchy of Moscow as Russia.
Could be said the same for most Europen countries to be honest.
Start naming 😄 I wouldn’t say most. Britain, France, Prussia, Austro-Hungarian Empire, France and Russia had their little swingers club changing partners every few years or so, but there are more countries in Europe.
I’m from Latvia. Russian chauvinism is something I know of first hand. Most other European countries that I have been to have a different, more accepting vibe than the parts that are Russian influenced and manipulated.
So it really can’t be said about most European countries. Maybe historically, but definitely not currently.
I’d like to reitarate that there are good people everywhere. Part of my family is Russian and I like them. I have Russian friends. But it can’t be denied that as a state it’s goddamn awful and should disintegrate asap.
I don't consider them to be Russian trash. Only Putin and his sympathizers.
It's such a bizarre thing... Communism fell in Russia probably before many of these people were born. But the support the successor state to the Soviet Union, which is an authoritarian kleptocracy, because why? Nostalgia? Ignorance?
Don't be racist. Russian government is to blame, not their people who are constantly oppressed by their government. Russian people are the biggest victims in Ukranian war, lost more lives fighting for some idiot. Some successfully surrendered, but a lot of them are forced to fight and lost their innocent lives in all of this.
Russian people are the biggest victims in Ukranian war,
Whew lad
Most of the casulties are russian troops, are they not? They don't join volonterily you know, they are forcefully conscripted.
You can't claim to be the victim when you are the aggressor, even if that aggression is under force.
All those troops could just ... not invade a sovereign nation. They could have a civil war instead of pushing their problems on their neighbouring countries. An equal amount of people would die, but not the ones that have nothing to do with it.
It sounds like you where never forcefully conscripted in a war. Difference is that they can hurt your family, this way you die in a war either way.
If you are forced to kill, under threat of death or your family getting hurt, you are clearly a victim.
Furthermore Russian people aren't just ones that are still fighting in war, they are also their wifes and childeren that are losing their husbands and fathers. They are also Russians that surrended to Ukrainain rather then fight, not everyone can do that safely without their commenders stopping them or without Ukrainian troops killing them by mistake. They are also Russian people that killed their conscription officers. There are a lot of good russian people, some died as heroes fighting their governments. Some died as victims of the war on the battlefield not willing to shoot back at Ukrainan soliders, some just fought because they had to and died in the process. There are bad people everywhere, but there are good people too. Claiming all russians are bad is just racism.
Tell that to those raped and mutilated by those fucking victims of yours.
Oh wait, you outright dismissed their existence in order to… … not be racist.
I didn't dismiss any victims. I can critique Israel's genocide of Palestinians without being anti-semetic. I can critisize Russian genocide and rape of Ukranians without being racist towards Russians. People are not the armies that claim that fight for their interests.
Imagine people in the US electing Trump, then 10 years later writing the same thing.
Russian people are as much at fault.
Do you know what happened to Musolini?
Where are the russian partisans?
Bunch of cowards.
They're forced to fight, but not forced to commit atrocities and war crimes that they did.
"Russian people are the biggest victims" - fuck right off. Just fuck off.
Imagine people in the US electing Trump, then 10 years later writing the same thing.
I mean, I would kinda get that, no? It's not as though most people in the US voted for trump last time. Not even counting the popular vote thing, right, which is still pretty important, but like, people who didn't vote for whatever reason, even. Maybe that's because they're not exercising their right to democracy or what have you, and so it's still their fault, idk. I guess you could include the clause of prisoners and former convicts, who aren't allowed to vote. I guess my broader point is that, seeing as how kind of, horrendously stupid and undemocratic the elections are here in america, especially at the federal level, I would not really expect russia, and the russians to be any better off. I'd actually probably expect them to be much, much worse off, so I don't think I'd feel comfortable blaming them for their political system.
I also don't understand why it's kind of a controversial stance to kind of, empathize with people that are conscripted into a war. I don't think, really, over ukranians, right, but empathizing with them nonetheless, I don't see why that's controversial. It would be like saying that all americans were at fault for vietnam, which is kind of obviously an extremely simplified and even somewhat useless perspective to have, on the historical factors that were leading up to that war. The election processes that went into it, the economic factors, the henry kissinger shit, the public pushback that helped to end it. Certainly I wouldn't blame the anti-war protestors or the people who voted against the powers that be for the war, they were clearly fighting against it. I don't hear a lot about any organized grassroots resistance against the ukranian war in russia, I think probably more as a nature of my westernized news consumption, I'd assume, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case that there was some level of pushback against this war domestically, especially given the history of cross-pollination and cultural exchange between the two regions.
I'm also not sure that like, attributing war crimes and atrocities to a whole population or to the whole of conscripted soldiers is really a great thing to do, that strikes me as kind of xenophobic. I've seen that same sort of propaganda spouted about almost every enemy america has faced in the middle east, both true and untrue. Unless their military doctrine or military culture has kind of a demonstrated slant towards those kinds of things, then I feel pretty questionable about it. Those sorts of controversies don't serve much to sort of, shed actual light on the core problems there, which is that there's a war happening in the first place. I'm also kind of skeptical that they would serve to galvanize anti-war support, thus, serving to end the war, but I'd be more willing to be convinced of that.
In any case I'm not going to blame the russian people for not having a mass revolution or well organized resistance movement right this moment, and for not overthrowing their government, just as I wouldn't don't blame americans for the same thing. I don't think that's a particularly unreasonable stance to have, I think it's realistic.
So are US people to blame for Biden supporting genocide in Israel? Or have they just voted for what they saw as lesser evil.
You have to understand that Navalny, has started as a real neo-nazzi. Talking about killing all the muslims in the area.
It is the same thing in every country. There are no real democracies in the World, people have to vote for the lesser of evils, or at least that is what they see as the only option.
Supporting genocide in Israel?
Am I talking to ChatGPT? This sounds like random garbage words assembled as sentences.
What? What don't you understand in that sentence?
Are you saying there is no genocide in Israel? Or that Biden is not supporting it?
Because both are easily provable.
I made a very obvious counterpoint that citizens of the US are not to blame for their presidents actions, just like the citizens of Russia. You can't have it both ways.
Unless you're implying that Gaza is a part of Israel, which truly would be a pretty bold claim that not even Netanyahu makes, I'm pretty sure not even you think that there's a genocide in Israel.
These are semantics that have nothing to do with the point as was making. The point was that the genocide was happening and that Israel government is doing it with the support of the US government.
Fuck Russian trash.
lol the tankies downvoted you
Lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear in shambles.
Oh hexbear too? I have noticed a lot of questionable posts coming from there
Yep. Just red through some of the comments on lemmy.ml for this news and compare it to the instance of the accounts. https://fedia.io/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/597721/Sweden-officially-joins-NATO#comments
lol reminds me of when it was explained to me that Russia is an Asian country and if I supported Ukraine it meant I was racist against Asians
That doesn't make any sense on absolutely every level. lol
They will then post an article talking about Russia “reclaiming” its Asian-ness and another that says that it was Asian all along. Then they will downvote you into negative double digits while explaining how horrible a person you are
PS I actually moved here after many months of it. Had no idea what “ml” meant. I joined there because it was the dev instance.
The devs being tankies was one of the reasons why I went with kbin / mbin over Lemmy. It just didn't sit right with me. But I also couldn't stand the layout / design.
I wish I had known! I really do. But I’m here now and it’s ok. This instance is full of nice people for the most part, it’s like 2005-era social media again.
Yeah, that's some fun logic. A equals B, and B equals C, so A equals C. But this isn't math and subsets aren't totality. So hating Russia for warmongering isn't hating Asians for being Asian.
Yiikes the comments there are so toxic its crazy. Glad I've got those instances blocked.
There are good people in Russia.
There are good people everywhere.
Doesn’t really change the fact that Russia, more or less in its current form, has been bullying its neighbours for half a millenia. Longer, if you count the Grand Duchy of Moscow as Russia.
Could be said the same for most Europen countries to be honest.
Start naming 😄 I wouldn’t say most. Britain, France, Prussia, Austro-Hungarian Empire, France and Russia had their little swingers club changing partners every few years or so, but there are more countries in Europe.
I’m from Latvia. Russian chauvinism is something I know of first hand. Most other European countries that I have been to have a different, more accepting vibe than the parts that are Russian influenced and manipulated.
So it really can’t be said about most European countries. Maybe historically, but definitely not currently.
I’d like to reitarate that there are good people everywhere. Part of my family is Russian and I like them. I have Russian friends. But it can’t be denied that as a state it’s goddamn awful and should disintegrate asap.
I don't consider them to be Russian trash. Only Putin and his sympathizers.
It's such a bizarre thing... Communism fell in Russia probably before many of these people were born. But the support the successor state to the Soviet Union, which is an authoritarian kleptocracy, because why? Nostalgia? Ignorance?
Tankies be weird.
russia was never communist.
I guess you would call Navalny tankie too
Fuck Zionist and pro-Putin trash instead!
Don't be racist. Russian government is to blame, not their people who are constantly oppressed by their government. Russian people are the biggest victims in Ukranian war, lost more lives fighting for some idiot. Some successfully surrendered, but a lot of them are forced to fight and lost their innocent lives in all of this.
Whew lad
Most of the casulties are russian troops, are they not? They don't join volonterily you know, they are forcefully conscripted.
You can't claim to be the victim when you are the aggressor, even if that aggression is under force.
All those troops could just ... not invade a sovereign nation. They could have a civil war instead of pushing their problems on their neighbouring countries. An equal amount of people would die, but not the ones that have nothing to do with it.
It sounds like you where never forcefully conscripted in a war. Difference is that they can hurt your family, this way you die in a war either way. If you are forced to kill, under threat of death or your family getting hurt, you are clearly a victim. Furthermore Russian people aren't just ones that are still fighting in war, they are also their wifes and childeren that are losing their husbands and fathers. They are also Russians that surrended to Ukrainain rather then fight, not everyone can do that safely without their commenders stopping them or without Ukrainian troops killing them by mistake. They are also Russian people that killed their conscription officers. There are a lot of good russian people, some died as heroes fighting their governments. Some died as victims of the war on the battlefield not willing to shoot back at Ukrainan soliders, some just fought because they had to and died in the process. There are bad people everywhere, but there are good people too. Claiming all russians are bad is just racism.
Tell that to those raped and mutilated by those fucking victims of yours.
Oh wait, you outright dismissed their existence in order to… … not be racist.
I didn't dismiss any victims. I can critique Israel's genocide of Palestinians without being anti-semetic. I can critisize Russian genocide and rape of Ukranians without being racist towards Russians. People are not the armies that claim that fight for their interests.
Imagine people in the US electing Trump, then 10 years later writing the same thing.
Russian people are as much at fault.
Do you know what happened to Musolini? Where are the russian partisans?
Bunch of cowards.
They're forced to fight, but not forced to commit atrocities and war crimes that they did.
"Russian people are the biggest victims" - fuck right off. Just fuck off.
I mean, I would kinda get that, no? It's not as though most people in the US voted for trump last time. Not even counting the popular vote thing, right, which is still pretty important, but like, people who didn't vote for whatever reason, even. Maybe that's because they're not exercising their right to democracy or what have you, and so it's still their fault, idk. I guess you could include the clause of prisoners and former convicts, who aren't allowed to vote. I guess my broader point is that, seeing as how kind of, horrendously stupid and undemocratic the elections are here in america, especially at the federal level, I would not really expect russia, and the russians to be any better off. I'd actually probably expect them to be much, much worse off, so I don't think I'd feel comfortable blaming them for their political system.
I also don't understand why it's kind of a controversial stance to kind of, empathize with people that are conscripted into a war. I don't think, really, over ukranians, right, but empathizing with them nonetheless, I don't see why that's controversial. It would be like saying that all americans were at fault for vietnam, which is kind of obviously an extremely simplified and even somewhat useless perspective to have, on the historical factors that were leading up to that war. The election processes that went into it, the economic factors, the henry kissinger shit, the public pushback that helped to end it. Certainly I wouldn't blame the anti-war protestors or the people who voted against the powers that be for the war, they were clearly fighting against it. I don't hear a lot about any organized grassroots resistance against the ukranian war in russia, I think probably more as a nature of my westernized news consumption, I'd assume, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case that there was some level of pushback against this war domestically, especially given the history of cross-pollination and cultural exchange between the two regions.
I'm also not sure that like, attributing war crimes and atrocities to a whole population or to the whole of conscripted soldiers is really a great thing to do, that strikes me as kind of xenophobic. I've seen that same sort of propaganda spouted about almost every enemy america has faced in the middle east, both true and untrue. Unless their military doctrine or military culture has kind of a demonstrated slant towards those kinds of things, then I feel pretty questionable about it. Those sorts of controversies don't serve much to sort of, shed actual light on the core problems there, which is that there's a war happening in the first place. I'm also kind of skeptical that they would serve to galvanize anti-war support, thus, serving to end the war, but I'd be more willing to be convinced of that.
In any case I'm not going to blame the russian people for not having a mass revolution or well organized resistance movement right this moment, and for not overthrowing their government, just as I wouldn't don't blame americans for the same thing. I don't think that's a particularly unreasonable stance to have, I think it's realistic.
So are US people to blame for Biden supporting genocide in Israel? Or have they just voted for what they saw as lesser evil. You have to understand that Navalny, has started as a real neo-nazzi. Talking about killing all the muslims in the area. It is the same thing in every country. There are no real democracies in the World, people have to vote for the lesser of evils, or at least that is what they see as the only option.
Supporting genocide in Israel? Am I talking to ChatGPT? This sounds like random garbage words assembled as sentences.
What? What don't you understand in that sentence? Are you saying there is no genocide in Israel? Or that Biden is not supporting it? Because both are easily provable.
I made a very obvious counterpoint that citizens of the US are not to blame for their presidents actions, just like the citizens of Russia. You can't have it both ways.
Unless you're implying that Gaza is a part of Israel, which truly would be a pretty bold claim that not even Netanyahu makes, I'm pretty sure not even you think that there's a genocide in Israel.
These are semantics that have nothing to do with the point as was making. The point was that the genocide was happening and that Israel government is doing it with the support of the US government.