Yeah, don't stop the massacre in Palestine. Things are great right now, don't change a thing. Wtf is wrong with people..
Well, some people are utter fucktards who don’t understand that we’re living a trolley problem, wherein the only choice is the death of many, or the death of many more.
Yeah, are all those camps full of kids that keep getting bombed really a massive threat? Have they really got you so brainwashed that you are actually thinking that since Palestinian babies may grow up to be terrorists we have to kill them in the name of the almighty trolley?
What the fucking hell are you babbling about? No one is saying this irrelevant shit.
Edit: see the thread below if you're interested in seeing how dedicated they are to lying to help trump. But I wouldn't recommend it, it's depressing
There was just some idiot saying we gotta bomb homel3ss children because of the "trolley problem", if that wasn't you, then don't worry about it.
That is not even remotely what they said and you know it. Stop discouraging Democratic voters if you care an iota about Palestine. I suspect you don't though
I have absolutely no faith that Harris will stop the free money and bombs to Israel. At least Trump says he wants to stop giving them money and make it be loans. A step up is a step up. He's still rubbish though, just less so than the current hypocritical dems. Giving endless blank checks to someone you say you oppose is utter trash.
Wowwwww you pretend to think Trump won't be worse.... Now I know for sure you're a liar. Great job human sacrificing Palestinians for your cause tho. Makes for the most morally disgusting trade I can imagine
Who did trump bomb? Who did biden bomb?
That's what I thought.
So, tell me again, who is willing to sacrifice Palestinian lives between he two of us? The person who allows biden and the dems to blow the shit out of anyone for any reason? Or the person who says fuck anyone who blows up innocent people?
Yeah. Go on, let's hear what you have to say. The block button is right there since you'll pretend like having no response is a brave reason for blocking anyone who points out your obnoxious hypocrisy.
By the way, Trump is a tool, and I would never vote for him.
Biden bombed zero Palestinians and you know this. Great job lying your ass off though. The Kremlin will smile on you
Trump is a tool, and I would never vote for him.
Well yes Russians can't vote in our elections. It's obvious you and trump answer to the same people though.
Again props on the obvious lies you're happy to spread shamelessly
Biden bombed zero Palestinians? Look at the gymnastics you have to play to make your point. You know full well that biden has been handing over bombs for months that were going directly down on the skulls of Palestinian babies. To try to make yourself feel right, you have to pretend like the fact that he has netty kiss them before they splatter innocent blood it makes it not his fault. Good job. Goooood job.
You know, i know, and everyone reading this knows. You're not fooling anyone, not even yourself.
95% of people here know you're a liar. Maybe try on Facebook where people are generally stupider and more suggestible
If selling weapons to people or giving people weapons is bombing then your buddy Trump doesn't look so great by that bar either. He loved the weapons trade.
Bruh are you stupid? Trump would probably go kill some Palestinians himself for fun, both options don't give a fuck about Palestine. One option is just way worse for Americans.
Tell me that time that Trump dropped bombs on anyone. I'll wait. It will be much harder then if you try to do this for bush or Regan or Clinton or biden or Obama or any other president you or your parents lived through. Let that sink in. The super evil viole t fascist is the only president who didn't drop bombs on any innocent civilians. Does that really add up for you?
Relaxed rules in 2017 resulting in increased civilian casualties liar
I didn't lie about shit. Work on reading comprehension. He supported way fewer bombs ings and war than almost any president in the last 100 years. This is easily checked. The evil fascist murdering president so ehow has a more peaceful track record than any you can find. The only response you have is to make up arguments to fight against. That should tell you something. It won't, but it should.
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an evil fascist that never bombed any innocent people in foreign lands?
Tell me that time that Trump dropped bombs on anyone.
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He supported way fewer bombs ings
I didn't lie about shit.
You did, repeatedly in the same thread. Your goalpost repeatedly moved so you can throw out empty insults like :
Work on reading comprehension.
I don't know if you are a troll, a Russian paid professional troll, a shill or an idiot but I do know that you are a liar.
Look, I slightly exaggerated a 1 to a 0. You know full well that this is absolutely a red herring and the o lyrics thing you have to stand on. I won't pretend to think you are a bot or a paid shill, that's absurd. You are fully aware of what you are doing though.
A 300 percent increase isn't a 1 to 0. Besides, a 1 bring true and a 0 being false would mean insisting so strongly again and again it's 0 when there is one three or fourth is not true.
Oh I thought you "misspoke." Hmm now it was an exaggeration. Weird how you contradict yourself repeatedly
If you don't know that misspoke and exaggeration are the same thing in many contexts, then you just don't have a very strong command of the English language yet.
Trump literally used the word Palestinian as a derogatory insult in the debate, if that's not enough for you to get the hint you are beyond help my guy
The fact is that all you have is that people told you that Trump used "Palestinian" as a derogatory term and that on the other side, biden has been mercilessly providing bombs to blow the hell out of Palestinians for almost a year. For me, I would much rather my name be used as a slander than have my whole family turned into applesauce. I guess some people really care more about supposed name-calling, though.
So you're using the Palestinian genocide as pretense to further an agenda completely unrelated to it, got it. If you actually cared, you would understand how effective this kind of dehumanization is in generating support for the murder of a people.
The user you are speaking with is most likely a paid Russian troll. I say this because they repeatedly lie in specific ways which would encourage people to not vote or vote for Trump (such as claiming Trump bombed zero people but Biden directly bombs people), and they claim to be a US citizen randomly, but keep European hours.
It seems like they take great pleasure in lying generally and especially in lying to say their ideological opponents "support genocide" since they have called them out for lying. I want to make it a mission to call this piece of shit out everywhere I can. They are a liar, and it is intentional. And from what I've seen, it would be weird if it's not paid.
I never said biden directly bombs people. I corrected you when you said.
I corrected myself after I said trump didn't supply any bombs. He supplied very few.
If you had anything to stand on, then you would argue honestly. You've repeatedly incorrectly represented me.
You were telling me over and over how much I love trump despite me saying that he is disgusting and I detest him and would never vote for him.
If you believed you had any solid argument, then you wouldn't have to make stuff up in order to feel like you are winning arguments.
Nope, to your first point, you misunderstood, we are talking about the palestinian genocide. To your second point, I don't know what you were even trying to say after I read it several times.
Yeah the dude who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, will surely help palestine
Trump will massacre the US, Ukraine, Palastine and sell you to the highest bidder.
If you honestly believed this, then you would act based on it. That action would be a hell of a lot more than a vote that may or may not ever even be counted. I wonder how much you actually believe it.
Maybe another registered Republican will act based on it for us.
This is just like the religion thing. If 99.99% of religious people actually believed what they said, their life would be 99.99% different. They don't actually believe it, and it's obvious based on how they live. If you time traveled to just before ww2 and knew exactly what was to come, you wouldn't actually just be a barber or whatever. Most likely, at least.
You would rather change to the guy that's going to send even more bombs?
US Democrats at least sometimes pretend to care about having a negative image.
Until the US fixes their atrocious voting system they are stuck with choosing between "same massacre" and "worse massacre".
Yeah, he will send more bombs according to the people who also just look at thr floor and mumble whenever you bring up the fact that he bombed fewer people than almost any president that anyone alive today has ever personally witnessed. I get that you've been told he will morph into a super killer, but when you have one person who's actually done it, and someone else who hasn't, going against your observations is just kinda wacky.
He will according to his own professed and acted stance on Israel.
You say it like he already wasn't a super killer during his first term?
I'm not USian, but my country had a Trump-wannabe as president, so I know very well how it is.
Who did trump bomb? Show me a clip where trump says he will bomb palestine. Ill wait. I'm not talking about that time when he said he could end it fast that people with nothing else pretend can only mean a basket full of nukes.
He kept arming Israel at least the same as previous presidents, so certainly some of the bombs being used now were given by him. And he also supported the Zionists in the Israeli government.
He gave a single digit percentage of bombs that got detonated when compared to biden.
"Yes, but it wasn't that bad" <- you are here at the coping list.
Shall we keep going until you get to "they deserved it"?
Because you already dropped your mask, it's clear you don't care about Palestinians, you only care about Trump.
Nope. You made that up. You are coping because the horse you bet on keeps kicking Palestians to death. It is nice that you are at least aware of the coping idea, that's your first step. I think Trump is a prick. I won't vote for him.
Again, I'm not USian, I don't have a horse in this race.
I'm glad Genocide Joe is out, and hope Harris listens and doesn't follow the same bad path.
Anyway it certainly is more a problem in the legislature, the President "only obeys".
But it's delusional to think Trump won't try to make it worse.
I don't know who will be worse. There is the obvious fact that media with a long-term liberal bias says he's the hitler2.0. Maybe they are not crying wolf this time, they also said he would end the free world last time, and he didn't. We do know that biden and his crew couldn't or didn't want to find anything other than pouring millions(billions?) of hellfire down on the heads of children. I can't say that I know so for sure that the massacre happening over there is 100% better than a trump presidency. Surprisingly, whenever people do say they know this 100%, all they have is that they were told this, they have no actions to point at.
Trump is a raping, thief, likely a pedo, most likely has killed a fair number of people, but he hasn't genocided. Biden/Harris have the majority of the media on their side and they have genocided. What a shitty choice. Give me the never genocided choice, though, because 100k+ headcount is much worse than 100 rapes and a few murders no matter what color tie they wear. Either way, I won't vote for any of those scum buckets. Choosing either side and claiming moral superiority is as absurd as anything anyone ever does.
Certainly a fair share of COVID deaths are his fault, and by making Putin confident the ongoing genocide attempt against Ukraine also.
Show me a clip where trump says he will bomb palestine. Ill wait.
Show us a clip where Biden said he would bomb Palestine. We'll wait.
If you don't know about all the support and weapons that biden has been giving since October, then you are just late to the conversation, and you have a bunch of catching up to do. This isn't in any way a disputed thing.
Okay, so we're not talking about active bombing of Palestine anymore, good.
What makes you think Trump wouldn't give Israel even more support and weapons?
Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK. I know you know the kinds of gymnastics you are forced to play here. I also know that if anyone else who isn't on your side was doing this, you would be all over them. This is exactly the problem. Intellectual dishonesty in political discussions. You feel like you deserve the right to lie because you think the other side does the same. They do do the same, the result of this is you two groups of self justified compulsive liars living in your own echo chambers, making no progress and learning nothing.
Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK.
That is NOT what I said. You complain about intellectual dishonesty but in the same breath put words into my mouth that I did not say. If you want to be intellectually honest, why don't you answer the very simple question instead of going off on irrelevant tangents?
What makes you think Trump wouldn’t give Israel even more support and weapons?
All we have to go on is what people have done. Trump never genocided anyone. Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide. I can't tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I'm not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
All we have to go on is what people have done.
Not exactly true. For example, why do you think Trump has never once uttered the words "cease fire" in regards to Israel/Palestine? Seems like a pretty simple way to signal that you want Israel to stop killing people.
Trump never genocided anyone.
Neither has Biden, or Harris for that matter.
Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide.
...because there was no major conflict between Israel and Palestine during his presidency. He was far more supportive of Israel than any other president, so it's pretty safe to say he'd give them just as many arms or more than Biden has.
I can’t tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I’m not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
Are you sure about that? Do you not think Trump has done any bad things at all?
he bombed fewer people than almost any president that anyone alive today
Oh a second ago he bombed zero people. Wonder why the inconsistency. It's a mystery.
Who said zero?
an evil fascist that never bombed any innocent people in foreign lands?
You, 2hrs ago.
You're right, I must have mispoke. I think he did about 1 days worth of Biden bombing in his 4 years in office.
You knew you said that. It was intentional. Leave this platform you weasel.
It makes no difference if trump supported a tiny fraction or none. That doesn't change the point. I have nonintention of leaving the platform so you can have an even denser echo chamber and feel even more like you are always right about everything. It is good to occasionally have a voice that isn't just singing the same robotic song over and over.
Liars are adding nothing of value to the discussion
Yeah, you're absolutely correct. That's why I advocate for honest discourse, even if it means making your preferred party look how they actually are. This whole thing where both sides feel justified in lying because the other side does it is absurd.
You advocate for trump and trump alone and that prick has never intentionally told the truth in his life.
Yes, I misspoke, he also supplied some bombs that killed some people, but his whole career doesn't match an average week of Biden or bush or any other president any of us have seen in our lives.
Whoopsies. Democrat bad, not voting good.
Give your energy to what you believe in. If you hate poor foreigners, then give your energy to people who kill them mercilessly. You do you.
Is a great question for you to ask yourself a little more personally
What's your idea for stopping it ?
Their idea is for Americans to not vote or vote for trump
You have much more power than your vote. You have your honest discussion(instead of lying to "trick" people into thinking your candidate is amazing). You have what you choose to do with your money. I never told anyone not to vote. I never told anyone to vote for the lying stealing rapist felon trump.
People really aren't as stupid as you think they are.
And they are not as employed by putin as you think they are.
Right, it's more so. I've been naive enough to doubt its prevalence but people like you are helping to change that belief
I imagine your parents are so sick of hearing you ramble on about every new co piracy theory that TikTok and Instagram serve you up. Blow their minds and do the dishes for once.
as I said, mentally lazy af
It is a tough situation. I'm a huge believer in honest discourse. I think the more people are completely honest, the better, even if the other side lies. What we generally have now is two large factions that both believe they have a duty to hide any negative things about their own team, and desperately try to exaggerate any good things about their own side. This just results in nearly nobody involved in the discussion being honest, and both sides feeling like their own lies are justified "because the other side lies too, and we have to lie to trick undecided people into joining our side".
When lemmy was younger, there was so much more honest discourse. It was fantastic. Unfortunately, it has largely slipped into the same echo chamber garbage as so many other networks. It does nobody any good when people just come on, lie about their side, and downvote anyone who mentions things that happened that make their team look bad. This just makes people start to believe their own lies over time, which makes it even harder for either side to even be able to understand the other sides point of view.
It's time to move on. There isn't any President who will stand in Israel's way of the horrors they're enacting in Palestine.
For now we work to prevent Trump from furthering Israel's genocide even more or committing worse here in our own country. Unless you're one of those people who genuinely believes in accelerationism which isn't going to work out the way you think it will.
I'm sure if biden gets in office and he manages to get isreal to cool down, then you will just acredit it to all the great work dems did. There is literally nothing that can change the mind of people who let their ego and their politics get all intertwined.
You know what would stop the massacre in Palestine...a ceasefire. Hamas isn't going to let that happen, and the Palestinian population largely supports them. It's not for the US to fix anymore.
Harris 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Yeah, don't stop the massacre in Palestine. Things are great right now, don't change a thing. Wtf is wrong with people..
Well, some people are utter fucktards who don’t understand that we’re living a trolley problem, wherein the only choice is the death of many, or the death of many more.
Yeah, are all those camps full of kids that keep getting bombed really a massive threat? Have they really got you so brainwashed that you are actually thinking that since Palestinian babies may grow up to be terrorists we have to kill them in the name of the almighty trolley?
What the fucking hell are you babbling about? No one is saying this irrelevant shit.
Edit: see the thread below if you're interested in seeing how dedicated they are to lying to help trump. But I wouldn't recommend it, it's depressing
There was just some idiot saying we gotta bomb homel3ss children because of the "trolley problem", if that wasn't you, then don't worry about it.
That is not even remotely what they said and you know it. Stop discouraging Democratic voters if you care an iota about Palestine. I suspect you don't though
I have absolutely no faith that Harris will stop the free money and bombs to Israel. At least Trump says he wants to stop giving them money and make it be loans. A step up is a step up. He's still rubbish though, just less so than the current hypocritical dems. Giving endless blank checks to someone you say you oppose is utter trash.
Wowwwww you pretend to think Trump won't be worse.... Now I know for sure you're a liar. Great job human sacrificing Palestinians for your cause tho. Makes for the most morally disgusting trade I can imagine
Who did trump bomb? Who did biden bomb?
That's what I thought.
So, tell me again, who is willing to sacrifice Palestinian lives between he two of us? The person who allows biden and the dems to blow the shit out of anyone for any reason? Or the person who says fuck anyone who blows up innocent people?
Yeah. Go on, let's hear what you have to say. The block button is right there since you'll pretend like having no response is a brave reason for blocking anyone who points out your obnoxious hypocrisy.
By the way, Trump is a tool, and I would never vote for him.
Biden bombed zero Palestinians and you know this. Great job lying your ass off though. The Kremlin will smile on you
Well yes Russians can't vote in our elections. It's obvious you and trump answer to the same people though.
Again props on the obvious lies you're happy to spread shamelessly
Biden bombed zero Palestinians? Look at the gymnastics you have to play to make your point. You know full well that biden has been handing over bombs for months that were going directly down on the skulls of Palestinian babies. To try to make yourself feel right, you have to pretend like the fact that he has netty kiss them before they splatter innocent blood it makes it not his fault. Good job. Goooood job.
You know, i know, and everyone reading this knows. You're not fooling anyone, not even yourself.
95% of people here know you're a liar. Maybe try on Facebook where people are generally stupider and more suggestible
Point to a single lie, quote it. I'll wait.
Every thing you have stated is false, verifiably. I'm wasting no more time on your idiocy
If selling weapons to people or giving people weapons is bombing then your buddy Trump doesn't look so great by that bar either. He loved the weapons trade.
Bruh are you stupid? Trump would probably go kill some Palestinians himself for fun, both options don't give a fuck about Palestine. One option is just way worse for Americans.
Tell me that time that Trump dropped bombs on anyone. I'll wait. It will be much harder then if you try to do this for bush or Regan or Clinton or biden or Obama or any other president you or your parents lived through. Let that sink in. The super evil viole t fascist is the only president who didn't drop bombs on any innocent civilians. Does that really add up for you?
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan
Relaxed rules in 2017 resulting in increased civilian casualties liar
I didn't lie about shit. Work on reading comprehension. He supported way fewer bombs ings and war than almost any president in the last 100 years. This is easily checked. The evil fascist murdering president so ehow has a more peaceful track record than any you can find. The only response you have is to make up arguments to fight against. That should tell you something. It won't, but it should.
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You did, repeatedly in the same thread. Your goalpost repeatedly moved so you can throw out empty insults like :
I don't know if you are a troll, a Russian paid professional troll, a shill or an idiot but I do know that you are a liar.
Look, I slightly exaggerated a 1 to a 0. You know full well that this is absolutely a red herring and the o lyrics thing you have to stand on. I won't pretend to think you are a bot or a paid shill, that's absurd. You are fully aware of what you are doing though.
A 300 percent increase isn't a 1 to 0. Besides, a 1 bring true and a 0 being false would mean insisting so strongly again and again it's 0 when there is one three or fourth is not true.
Oh I thought you "misspoke." Hmm now it was an exaggeration. Weird how you contradict yourself repeatedly
If you don't know that misspoke and exaggeration are the same thing in many contexts, then you just don't have a very strong command of the English language yet.
Says the Russian who wrote "rapicist"
Trump literally used the word Palestinian as a derogatory insult in the debate, if that's not enough for you to get the hint you are beyond help my guy
The fact is that all you have is that people told you that Trump used "Palestinian" as a derogatory term and that on the other side, biden has been mercilessly providing bombs to blow the hell out of Palestinians for almost a year. For me, I would much rather my name be used as a slander than have my whole family turned into applesauce. I guess some people really care more about supposed name-calling, though.
So you're using the Palestinian genocide as pretense to further an agenda completely unrelated to it, got it. If you actually cared, you would understand how effective this kind of dehumanization is in generating support for the murder of a people.
The user you are speaking with is most likely a paid Russian troll. I say this because they repeatedly lie in specific ways which would encourage people to not vote or vote for Trump (such as claiming Trump bombed zero people but Biden directly bombs people), and they claim to be a US citizen randomly, but keep European hours.
It seems like they take great pleasure in lying generally and especially in lying to say their ideological opponents "support genocide" since they have called them out for lying. I want to make it a mission to call this piece of shit out everywhere I can. They are a liar, and it is intentional. And from what I've seen, it would be weird if it's not paid.
I never said biden directly bombs people. I corrected you when you said.
I corrected myself after I said trump didn't supply any bombs. He supplied very few.
If you had anything to stand on, then you would argue honestly. You've repeatedly incorrectly represented me.
You were telling me over and over how much I love trump despite me saying that he is disgusting and I detest him and would never vote for him.
If you believed you had any solid argument, then you wouldn't have to make stuff up in order to feel like you are winning arguments.
Nope, to your first point, you misunderstood, we are talking about the palestinian genocide. To your second point, I don't know what you were even trying to say after I read it several times.
Pickled comment
Yeah the dude who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, will surely help palestine
Trump will massacre the US, Ukraine, Palastine and sell you to the highest bidder.
If you honestly believed this, then you would act based on it. That action would be a hell of a lot more than a vote that may or may not ever even be counted. I wonder how much you actually believe it.
Maybe another registered Republican will act based on it for us.
This is just like the religion thing. If 99.99% of religious people actually believed what they said, their life would be 99.99% different. They don't actually believe it, and it's obvious based on how they live. If you time traveled to just before ww2 and knew exactly what was to come, you wouldn't actually just be a barber or whatever. Most likely, at least.
You would rather change to the guy that's going to send even more bombs?
US Democrats at least sometimes pretend to care about having a negative image.
Until the US fixes their atrocious voting system they are stuck with choosing between "same massacre" and "worse massacre".
Yeah, he will send more bombs according to the people who also just look at thr floor and mumble whenever you bring up the fact that he bombed fewer people than almost any president that anyone alive today has ever personally witnessed. I get that you've been told he will morph into a super killer, but when you have one person who's actually done it, and someone else who hasn't, going against your observations is just kinda wacky.
He will according to his own professed and acted stance on Israel.
You say it like he already wasn't a super killer during his first term?
I'm not USian, but my country had a Trump-wannabe as president, so I know very well how it is.
Who did trump bomb? Show me a clip where trump says he will bomb palestine. Ill wait. I'm not talking about that time when he said he could end it fast that people with nothing else pretend can only mean a basket full of nukes.
He kept arming Israel at least the same as previous presidents, so certainly some of the bombs being used now were given by him. And he also supported the Zionists in the Israeli government.
He gave a single digit percentage of bombs that got detonated when compared to biden.
"Yes, but it wasn't that bad" <- you are here at the coping list.
Shall we keep going until you get to "they deserved it"?
Because you already dropped your mask, it's clear you don't care about Palestinians, you only care about Trump.
Nope. You made that up. You are coping because the horse you bet on keeps kicking Palestians to death. It is nice that you are at least aware of the coping idea, that's your first step. I think Trump is a prick. I won't vote for him.
Again, I'm not USian, I don't have a horse in this race.
I'm glad Genocide Joe is out, and hope Harris listens and doesn't follow the same bad path.
Anyway it certainly is more a problem in the legislature, the President "only obeys".
But it's delusional to think Trump won't try to make it worse.
I don't know who will be worse. There is the obvious fact that media with a long-term liberal bias says he's the hitler2.0. Maybe they are not crying wolf this time, they also said he would end the free world last time, and he didn't. We do know that biden and his crew couldn't or didn't want to find anything other than pouring millions(billions?) of hellfire down on the heads of children. I can't say that I know so for sure that the massacre happening over there is 100% better than a trump presidency. Surprisingly, whenever people do say they know this 100%, all they have is that they were told this, they have no actions to point at.
Trump is a raping, thief, likely a pedo, most likely has killed a fair number of people, but he hasn't genocided. Biden/Harris have the majority of the media on their side and they have genocided. What a shitty choice. Give me the never genocided choice, though, because 100k+ headcount is much worse than 100 rapes and a few murders no matter what color tie they wear. Either way, I won't vote for any of those scum buckets. Choosing either side and claiming moral superiority is as absurd as anything anyone ever does.
Certainly a fair share of COVID deaths are his fault, and by making Putin confident the ongoing genocide attempt against Ukraine also.
Show us a clip where Biden said he would bomb Palestine. We'll wait.
If you don't know about all the support and weapons that biden has been giving since October, then you are just late to the conversation, and you have a bunch of catching up to do. This isn't in any way a disputed thing.
Okay, so we're not talking about active bombing of Palestine anymore, good.
What makes you think Trump wouldn't give Israel even more support and weapons?
Right, since biden gives the bombs to Israel to actively drop instead of hopping in a plane and dropping them himself, it is OK. I know you know the kinds of gymnastics you are forced to play here. I also know that if anyone else who isn't on your side was doing this, you would be all over them. This is exactly the problem. Intellectual dishonesty in political discussions. You feel like you deserve the right to lie because you think the other side does the same. They do do the same, the result of this is you two groups of self justified compulsive liars living in your own echo chambers, making no progress and learning nothing.
That is NOT what I said. You complain about intellectual dishonesty but in the same breath put words into my mouth that I did not say. If you want to be intellectually honest, why don't you answer the very simple question instead of going off on irrelevant tangents?
What makes you think Trump wouldn’t give Israel even more support and weapons?
All we have to go on is what people have done. Trump never genocided anyone. Trump barely supplied any weapons or did any warring. This is not the case with nearly every president for the last 100 years. Biden has shown his absolute willingness to fund and supply weapons for a genocide. I can't tell the future, but I can honestly look at the past because I'm not hell-bent on ignoring all the bad things one side does.
Not exactly true. For example, why do you think Trump has never once uttered the words "cease fire" in regards to Israel/Palestine? Seems like a pretty simple way to signal that you want Israel to stop killing people.
Neither has Biden, or Harris for that matter.
...because there was no major conflict between Israel and Palestine during his presidency. He was far more supportive of Israel than any other president, so it's pretty safe to say he'd give them just as many arms or more than Biden has.
Are you sure about that? Do you not think Trump has done any bad things at all?
Oh a second ago he bombed zero people. Wonder why the inconsistency. It's a mystery.
Who said zero?
You, 2hrs ago.
You're right, I must have mispoke. I think he did about 1 days worth of Biden bombing in his 4 years in office.
You knew you said that. It was intentional. Leave this platform you weasel.
It makes no difference if trump supported a tiny fraction or none. That doesn't change the point. I have nonintention of leaving the platform so you can have an even denser echo chamber and feel even more like you are always right about everything. It is good to occasionally have a voice that isn't just singing the same robotic song over and over.
Liars are adding nothing of value to the discussion
Yeah, you're absolutely correct. That's why I advocate for honest discourse, even if it means making your preferred party look how they actually are. This whole thing where both sides feel justified in lying because the other side does it is absurd.
You advocate for trump and trump alone and that prick has never intentionally told the truth in his life.
You repeatedly have said that about Trump.
Yes, I misspoke, he also supplied some bombs that killed some people, but his whole career doesn't match an average week of Biden or bush or any other president any of us have seen in our lives.
Whoopsies. Democrat bad, not voting good.
Give your energy to what you believe in. If you hate poor foreigners, then give your energy to people who kill them mercilessly. You do you.
Is a great question for you to ask yourself a little more personally
What's your idea for stopping it ?
Their idea is for Americans to not vote or vote for trump
You have much more power than your vote. You have your honest discussion(instead of lying to "trick" people into thinking your candidate is amazing). You have what you choose to do with your money. I never told anyone not to vote. I never told anyone to vote for the lying stealing rapist felon trump.
People really aren't as stupid as you think they are.
And they are not as employed by putin as you think they are.
Right, it's more so. I've been naive enough to doubt its prevalence but people like you are helping to change that belief
I imagine your parents are so sick of hearing you ramble on about every new co piracy theory that TikTok and Instagram serve you up. Blow their minds and do the dishes for once.
as I said, mentally lazy af
It is a tough situation. I'm a huge believer in honest discourse. I think the more people are completely honest, the better, even if the other side lies. What we generally have now is two large factions that both believe they have a duty to hide any negative things about their own team, and desperately try to exaggerate any good things about their own side. This just results in nearly nobody involved in the discussion being honest, and both sides feeling like their own lies are justified "because the other side lies too, and we have to lie to trick undecided people into joining our side".
When lemmy was younger, there was so much more honest discourse. It was fantastic. Unfortunately, it has largely slipped into the same echo chamber garbage as so many other networks. It does nobody any good when people just come on, lie about their side, and downvote anyone who mentions things that happened that make their team look bad. This just makes people start to believe their own lies over time, which makes it even harder for either side to even be able to understand the other sides point of view.
What's your idea for stopping it ?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/25/joe-biden-and-donald-trump-on-israel-and-gaza-comp/
It's time to move on. There isn't any President who will stand in Israel's way of the horrors they're enacting in Palestine.
For now we work to prevent Trump from furthering Israel's genocide even more or committing worse here in our own country. Unless you're one of those people who genuinely believes in accelerationism which isn't going to work out the way you think it will.
I'm sure if biden gets in office and he manages to get isreal to cool down, then you will just acredit it to all the great work dems did. There is literally nothing that can change the mind of people who let their ego and their politics get all intertwined.
You know what would stop the massacre in Palestine...a ceasefire. Hamas isn't going to let that happen, and the Palestinian population largely supports them. It's not for the US to fix anymore.