Google clamps down on VPN workarounds for cheaper YouTube Premium subscriptions

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Jesus Christ google, how much money are you spending to foil 0.000034% of your user base

The purpose, is to keep it difficult enough that the "honest" person doesn't get the idea to start doing it.

Same concept as putting a lock on your front door. It's not to stop thieves, it's to stop the average person from getting the idea to "just take a quick look".

By occasional going after workarounds AND making it public news. Your average computer user thinks it's not worth the hassle.

If they don't want honest people considering it, maybe they shouldn't raise the price by 80% in a single price change.

I paid for YouTube premium when it was first available. They guaranteed the price would never change as I was a first adopter. Then they did. Then they did it again. And then again.

Google can fuck off. They have all the money in the world and they need to extort the people who helped grow their business.

so they prefer that users use adblockers?

Well, no, they prefer people pay the subscription cost they set in each region.

Which they've shown they aren't willing to do...

Personally, YT premium is my only subscription I have, and wouldn't really have any others if money wasn't this tight. But I was paying before this recent anti blocker war, I prefer YT Music just because of the way it handles a bunch of the music remixed by seperate and probably not "official" artists. And with how much youtube I watch on mobile instead of my PC, messing with blocking wasn't very appealing to me, since the jump from YTmusic to full premium is less than almost any streaming sub.

But I have always watched/backgroundnoised a lot of youtube, so its not that much of pain. Realistically, this was bound to happen eventually, hosting that much content hasn't really gone down in costs as quickly as most tech overhead. But its a fairly complex line item, not just hardware & facilities, but all the law office hours related to copyright log is an ongoing and probably still growing cost for them and since they are not Disney thats a real cost I'd imagine.

As a side note, it just reminds me how shockingly unaware I am of how much they must value our personal data, that it only just now became worthwile to fight blockers with this much effort and PR/image depreciation.

how much they must value our personal data, that it only just now became worthwile to fight blockers with this much effort and PR/image depreciation.

You got it, on the nose.

Shadow boxing is always good practice.

Huh?

It's an analogy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowboxing

Preparing to fight beforehand.

I know what it is, just didnt know my comment meant I was preparing to fight.

my comment meant I was preparing to fight.

You're not.

Google are thou hence the shadowboxing reference.

Ahhhhhhhh

Uh

Except I can't think of a company that's large enough to be multi-state who hasn't made almost every decision in the last 10 years the wasnt the most short-sighted option regardless of how much more value would be made otherwise. No corporate strategies look anything like Shadow Boxing to me, they all want to just rape and pillage for a short of a time as possible the same they're more Bandits then Shadow boxers

Yeah but on one hand the price they want I'm not willing to pay, but if I could get it for less then I'd consider it.

Sounds like the service isn't quite right for you, then.

It's only worth what people are willing to pay. Already have Spotify anyways and not a fan of googles app killing tactics, learned that the hard way a couple times.

Sounds like the monopolized industry isn't right for the users

What exactly is the monopoly here?

Video content? YouTube's made it all but impossible to compete with their free offerings, for the cost of server upkeep alone

How has YouTube made it impossible for another video hoster to allow free viewing with ads?

The cost of server upkeep alone

How is that Google's fault? What is your solution to this?

Same as Walmart killing off every ma and pa shop is their fault, they lowbid the competition solely because they're able to with their monopolization, solution being actual competition in the industry.

Can't help but feel your goal posts are sentient with how much they're moving.

I'm not sure how my goalposts could be moving when I'm not even sure I placed any at all. Do you have any ideas to solve this monopoly you see YouTube having?

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To add information on that the other person didn't, YouTube was purchased by alphabet in 2006, it was purchased in a very unstable state, it was bleeding money, but they wanted it because they saw potential in the platform for Data Tracking and video analytics along with the fact that it had a very high traffic ratio.

When they purchased it one of the first things they started working on was trying to turn it to be green instead of red, but despite this they still didn't start seeing any real decent change until about 2009, and it wasn't until 2015 that the platform itself started running in the green.

All this happened with YouTube being one of the most popular video platform sites out there. YouTube doesn't have to do anything to actively block competitors from doing it, with their established market dominance, search engine self promotion tendancies(there was an ongoing lawsuit in Australia regarding this) and the amount of sheer money they have, no company is going to try to compete, the closest arguably is likely twitch but they are pushing the reverse direction with streaming instead of video hosting

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Luckily they can't do this in the EU. As an EU-citizen, I have the right to subscribe in Romania, for example, and pay no more than a Romanian would.

It sounds kinda illegal. Can Coca-cola stop me from going to Denmark to buy for danish prices and claim I have to pay Norwegian prices?

It’s directly comparable to buying danish subscription and using the service from a danish exit. If my data originates in china and are vpn-ed to Denmark they have the same cost on providing me service as anyone else in Denmark

Edit: I’ve never been to China, but it’s like really far away from Denmark.

If you're a convenience store but pallets of Coca Cola, then they kind-of can. They can just blacklist you from buying Coca Cola in the foreign country.

It's also different because they're selling you continuous access one month at a time instead of a physical good you drink and they can't take away from you. I've been to places where service costs are lower for locals than for tourists, and this is told to you outright. Stuff like museums, taxis, etc. It's a similar idea YouTube has.

Prices are also almost never based on cost, they're based on what people will pay.

I live in Canada, and cars are more expensive here than in the USA. US dealerships near the border refuse to sell new cars to Canadians, even though it's legal for everyone as long as you make sure to pay duties on the way back. I'm guessing each brand has some rule against it.

Ultimately VPN users aren't a protected class so it's legal to discriminate.

I’m still not sure your car thing would match here - unless they refuse to sell you a car that you only use in the USA. I’m guessing these stores are brand owned? Why else would you refuse a sale - even if it’s useless to the buyer

I could see rights come into play - but they usually regulate within the nation.

I would think this is connected to name/address/payment not matching the country you claim to live in. If it’s VPN detection then a WiFi router doing the VPN would work fine.

Ultimately VPN users aren't a protected class so it's legal to discriminate.

This is what I've always found fascinating about companies and governments trying to block their usage.

All major firms/companies/governments use them, so, how the hell are they gonna stop them when their bosses get poked that's something's up πŸ™‰

Fun times ahoy.

There's probably something in the terms about it, and it would take a very expensive legal battle to settle it. And I doubt it has enough legal merit to be taken on as a class-action lawsuit.

So, really, does it matter if it's illegal? With the asymmetrical power imbalance, they literally don't need to care about the laws. Realistically, no EU regulator is going to fine them for cancelling "a purchase made in India", either.

There’s probably something in the terms about it

2.3 Geographic Restrictions

The Paid Services, and certain content available within the Paid Services, may only be available in certain countries. You agree that you will not present any false, inaccurate or misleading information in an effort to misrepresent your country of residence, and you will not attempt to circumvent any restrictions on access to or availability of the Paid Services or content available within the Paid Services.

Terminations and Suspensions by YouTube

YouTube reserves the right to suspend or terminate your Google account or your access to all or part of the Service if (a) you materially or repeatedly breach this Agreement; (b) we are required to do so to comply with a legal requirement or a court order; or (c) we believe there has been conduct that creates (or could create) liability or harm to any user, other third party, YouTube or our Affiliates.

I don't understand these surprise pikachu reactions from some people. If you break the terms of service you are running the risk that the company in question will terminate your service or account at some point in the future. There is nothing controversial or surprising about this, other than the fact that Google has taken so long to get around to it.

Its too fucking expensive for what you get. Throw in access to all movires and TV for $15, then maybe I'll subscribe.

I can watch Youtube without ads using an adblocker or NewPipe. Why anyone buys Premium is beyond me.

Could be one of the many reasons such as ensuring their favorite creators get paid for their views and end users not being tech savvy enough to know about ad blockers and NewPipe.

I can donate. No reason for Google to get most of it.

That's a good approach. But people aren't tech savvy enough to install NewPipe in order to avoid ads. Paying for YT premium is the most user friendly way to avoid ads and support creators.

That's a poor reason. Google takes a big cut, just pay the YouTuber(s) directly through their favourite donation service; most have at least one these days. This is like when people claim they pay for Spotify because they "care about supporting musicians". It's delusional at best and a straight up lie at worst.

Tubular is a fork of NewPipe with SponsorBlock and ReturnYouTubeDislike integration. LibreTube is another great option, which uses the Piped backend. They also have a Lemmy community, and you can check them out on Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@libretube

The article is only based on a handful of accounts from reddit, but it would be quite funny considering how many people I've encountered who do this and think they are geniuses or morally superior because they don't use an ad-blocker. Let's see how they feel after a fee hike. :)

I don't really understand who you are getting at here. Everyone I know uses this combined with regular ad blockers. Anyway, once they figure out how to properly inject ads into the stream blocking is going to get really hard.

I would not pay anyway. This is a principled position after I was shown a fraudulent advertisement 10 times in one evening (which used children with cancer to manipulate emotions)

Oh there goes my back up plan for server side injection ads

Ok I'm using revanced anyway..

Newpipe over here

Tubular is better, it has SponsorBlock and ReturnYouTubeDislike integration

I tried to get brazillian youtube premium or whatever and it just didn't work.

I did a South American country once too but the payment processor has a snafu and it stopped working after the 2nd month. I just spun up a personal invidious VM and moved on with my life.

Isn't a cheaper subscription better than no subscription Google?