Headline appears to read: Trump vows to go on the lam if convicted

Phlogiston@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world – 162 points –

I'm sure huffpost knew what they're implying. In truth he's vowing to continue his presidential run from prison if necessary. The headline on their actual article is clearer: "Trump Vows To Run For President From Prison If Convicted"

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Wouldn't a conviction of the January 6th insurrection bar him from office via the 14th Ammendment?

Kinda sure stoking a rebellion against the government is a bigly no-no.

Only if he is charged with either aiding or inciting an insurrection. It has to specifically be one of those charges, or actual treason based on all of the legal interpretations I have seen.

So a felon can't vote but could run for president?

Well yea. A felon running for prez implies they are the right kind of felon: wealthy.

While a felon who can't vote is : poor, poc, not worthy of participating in our lovely, high-water mark democracy.

I'm a felon, and I can vote.

Not a bullshit felony, either. I pled to 3 armed robbery charges, got 14 years with a mandatory 7 in North Carolina.

My sentence made me ineligible for parole, and when I was released they presented me with a document called "Restoration of Citizenship" which restored all rights (except firearm ownership I think. Not gonna test that one.)

Assuming that you're in a better place now where you aren't going to be committing more violent crimes, you should probably get that clarified.

In many states, felons do not have the right to vote. That's been a big push for certain segments of liberals, on the theory that people that can't vote are less personally invested in the society that they're a part of. E.g., they're unable to fully integrate, and therefore are more likely to reoffend.

I've been out more than 25 years, with no recidivism.

Not all states restore your rights automatically, but the wording on the document is quite clear about restoring voting rights.

Restoration of Citizenship is a vital document, just like a birth certificate.

Edit to add a bit of the relevant law:

All rights are automatically restored upon “unconditional discharge” of sentence or unconditional pardon. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 13-1. This language has been interpreted to include payment of all court debt, a barrier to voting ruled unconstitutional under the State constitution in September, 2020, that is the subject of ongoing litigation.1 The agency releasing the prisoner (or probationer) must file a certificate evidencing unconditional discharge and restoration of the rights of citizenship with the court in the county of conviction (North Carolina state offenses) or the county of residence (for offenses under federal law or the law of another state). § 13-2.

The paperwork I have mentions "...all rights including the right to vote..." I have gotten conflicting advice on whether that includes firearms, but I'm not pushing it. I can hunt with a bow.

Weird right? Somebody should probably do something to address both of those issues.

The Government doesn’t want you to know about this one trick!

He did tell them to "March down there and fight like hell" just after Ghouliani said we need to have "Trial by combat."

That's inciting stupid people to do something stupid.

I agree that it was incitement. I would also personally argue that Donald Trump is in fact a traitor. However, my personal opinion and what he can be tried and convicted for by a jury of his peers are two entirely different things.

Yes, but no.

First, Trump would have to be charged, and convicted, of treason, insurrection, etc., in order for that to apply. There's been no legal determination of that yet, and it's unlikely to come prior to the election.

Second, this presumes that Congress does what it's supposed to do, and refuses to swear in a president that has elected after committing treason, etc. If congress simply ignores section 3 of the 14A, then there's not really much of a remedy available to a typical citizen.

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He'll get all the free hamberders and covfefe he can eat in there. Win win for him

This post is meta-commentary on the clickbait headline itself. I believe this still meets rule 1 as it differs only to add context and be more descriptive.

The sad thing about this even without context this isn't the dumbest thing I read coming from the US today

This "my political opponent should be in JAIL!" which Trump himself popularized, is dumb. He's an old, wealthy, former president...it's really really unlikely he goes to jail, even if found guilty.

That's not the only way a person can be punished, and it shouldn't be the bar you have in your head for whether or not he got appropriately punished.

He won’t stop it. Knowing Trump, he’ll believe that running from prison will help his chances.

Knowing his voters, it most likely will.