'It's Gonna Take a Civil War': Trump Campaign Speaker Warns of Violence if Dems Win

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'It's Gonna Take a Civil War': Trump Campaign Speaker Warns of Violence if Dems Win
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This is openly declaring intentions for a coup if he loses the election. Why is this not being taken seriously?

I just woke up from a five year nap. It is just locker room talk. They would never disrespect the democratic process. Let me just read Wikipedia about last presidential election for a second…. Oh no oh no oh no nonononoo.

1/6 should be enough for the FBI and CIA to take this seriously

I (and many others) knew 1/6 was going to happen well before the date. They fucking broadcast their intentions loudly and publicly, but somehow the alphabet boys couldn't put it together? The math ain't math'n.

They fucking broadcast their intentions loudly and publicly

The charitable interpretation is that the fbi believed it was all false bravado and impotent rage.

Much like all the "if Obama wins, I'm moving to a different country " yammering.

The chatter was much more specific, and I watched it spread from obscure channels to the wider net. I remember my girlfriend at the time mentioning that she had noticed the discourse on FB about two weeks out (I don't have an account) and mentioned how much more serious we should be taking it. We had been aware and plugged in for a while, but that was certainly a big indicator that it had reached critical mass. If two randos with regular jobs could figure it out, the feds definitely knew at some level.

There’s only one crime that the constitution gives the death penalty for, and he’s proposing it.

RIP Republican talking points against violent political rhetoric, July 13, 20234 - whenever Republicans remembered black politicians exist

Would have been disowned by both parties back in the day.

Yes, I'm sure Bikers for Trump will easily overcome the American Military if a Civil War happens.

That is actually one of the reasons (have to emphasise: among others, mainly delaying more open repression) I have been advocating heavily for people to turn out to vote for Democrats as a German communist myself. I know it's cynical, I know I have it easy to think about it like this, not living in the US myself, all valid criticisms. But I genuinely think any Dem president winning against Trump might bait the most fascist elements in the US into really stupid violence they are not organised and prepared for. They think they are, but they are not.

I genuinely think more chaos and conflict is in the cards in the next decades, globally, no matter what is done and who is in charge (unless miracles happen and systemic change is pushed somehow within the status quo, I can see no avenue for it at the moment, though). So to me, that would be provoking fascists into doing something really stupid, too early, and out of a position of weakness, that will leave them weakened and yield a lot of ground to the left overall, making organisation for radical change easier.

No guarantees it's going to happen and end up playing out like that, of course, details are always fuzzy and there's no crystal ball. Same goes for my assumption that violence and global chaos beyond what people have been used to in the last 70 years will be inevitable in the decades to come (climate catastrophe, the end of neoliberal consensus worldwide, continuing crisis of capitalism with proletarisation and vanishing of the middle class in western nations), although I am a lot more certain of that development as a broad trend that has already begun, IMO.