Black children in England and Wales four times more likely to be strip-searched, figures show
Children’s commissioner finds wide disparity with white counterparts in year to June 2023, with 88% of searches aimed at finding drugs
Black children are four times more likely to be strip-searched by police officers across England and Wales than their white counterparts, according to the latest nationwide figures disclosed by a watchdog.
The children’s commissioner also found that children under the age of 15 are a bigger proportion of those subjected to intimate searches, official figures from the year to June 2023 showed. Fewer than half of all searches of children in that year (45%) were conducted in the presence of an appropriate adult.
A report released on Monday also found that nearly nine out of every 10 of searches [88%] conducted by England and Wales’s 44 forces were trying to find drugs.
I'm sorry, maybe it is in the article, but why are children being strip searched in the first place? This is fucking wild to me
No, no. Not "children".
That's the key.
If a gang is using children to deal drugs, then it's an unfortunate, but necessary, thing.
A while back, gangs realised that the police and courts will go easy on teenagers. Teenagers are also notoriously easy to manipulate. This makes them the perfect cover and scape goats for a gang.
The real question is why blacks are being targeted. Is it the police being racist, or are the gangs targeting them, and so the police follow?
Is it though? Necessary, I mean?
Oh yeah. Didn't you see they just found a bunch of meth hidden in a celery shipment? Strip search the kids!
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I don't doubt you, but that is fucking sick on both sides if it is the case. Surely there is a better method than blindly strip searching underage minorities
Edit: I can almost guarantee racism by the police, and if not, systematic racism put them in the situation to be targeted by the gangs
Strangely enough the people who make up largest market for drugs are never stopped and searched because they are rich middle class people.
Reality of two tier policing is not as gammons would have us believe.
What happens when they control for family income? I don’t mean to belittle the point but it’s frustrating that so many injustices that are class issues get twisted into race issues to further divide people and strip them of collective power.
Why can't it be both racist and classist? They reinforce each other.
Looking at the situation in the US, I long ago concluded that Wealth Discrimination is the mechanism via which Racism gets turned into people living hard miserable lives 24/7/365 - poor people have bad houses, bad furniture, lower life expectancy, lots of money related stress, live in more dangerous neighbourhoods, spend a lot more time commuting and so on, and their children only have access to bad underfunded schooling, so have little or no hope of leaving that pit: Racism pushes people into poverty and ghettos (for example by not having access to certain jobs or not being allowed to buy or rent houses in certain places) and once there it's the high uneveness of access to resources depending on one's Wealth (i.e. Wealth Discrimination) that grinds them day in and day out and makes sure that subsequent generations cannot climb out of it.
Whenever someone hears a "liberal" politicians claiming to be against Racism whilst at the same time being for Private Education and Private Healthcare, they should ponder on why would an "anti-Racists" want to maintaining and even expand the mechanisms that make life be unending misery for the racially discriminated against and their children.
That's also my pet peave with situations like this.
Are they searching black people (and so racist)?
Are they searching poor people (and so classist)?
Are they searching based on evidence (fair)?
All could reach the same result, but the solution is vastly different.
Unfortunately, 1 points to a simple problem, with someone to blame. The other 2 are complex social problems that require complex solutions and don't have a simple bogeyman to blame.
Do you really think that there's a bunch of children running drugs around so they need to be strip searched? Let me repeat that: do you think children are committing crimes right and left?
The police searched them, so if there was "evidence" they would have been arrested. "Child drug gangs" would be all over the news. Since that didn't happen, we know that these children were targeted based on assumptions (probably race).
Black children have a problem with people assuming they are older than they really are and treating them like adults. If you think there's a ton of "evidence" that literal children are committing a ton of crime, you're part of the problem.
You can follow this down the pipe and find a pattern of behavior. This doesn't just end with searches. More cases get dismissed when you're rich and white. More acquittals happen when you're rich and white. Fewer and lesser charges are leveled against rich white defendants for the same actions and convictions carry lighter sentences. And jail populations reflect these figures.
One result rests on the theory that poorer, blacker residents are naturally more criminal than their richer, whiter peers.
The other rests on the theory that there's systematic discrimination in policing, prosecuting, and sentencing.
Both functionally lead you to the same conclusion - that the system is biased against a particular race/class cohort. But the first theory asserts that this a desirable outcome due to faults of the race/class cohort, while the second asserts it is a structural problem with law enforcement.
The question is not "Are police being fair or racist/classist?" This question is "Is being racist/classist a smart policing policy?"
Americans: "First time?"
Well blacks do have higher arrest rates in the UK so it would follow they would also have higher incidences of being strip searched.
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Dave Van Zandt's site, Media Bias Fact Check puts The Guardian and Breitbart in the same (Factual Reporting: MIXED) category of credibility. Apparently this is because they both have articles where the facts are contested. This ignores the difference in size of the two news sources' publication rate, the number of articles contested, and the seriousness and type of errors.
MBFC is a fundamentally flawed credibility gatekeeper. Lemmy.World loses credibility every day this bot continues to operate.
"B-but then how will I poison the well for anything that challenges a center-right status quo by introducing it as biased (relative to the US' center) and questionable without using an armchair analyst whose methodology is in no way scientific?"
Edit: to clarify what MBFC considers "MIXED":
They list like five fact checks, while The Guardian puts out basically quintuple that every day. And moreover, this is the sort of asinine nitpick that they classify as a "fact check".
"Private renting is making people ill." "Private renting is making people ill, but maybe this happens with other housing situations too, we don't know, so we rate this as false."
Absolutely. It's hilarious that people care about fact checking enough to want to rate sources but apparently extend no skepticism whatsoever to these ratings. "Let's just ask that one dude and go with whatever he says, I'm sure it'll be fine"
"Bloody newspapers spreading Propaganda to control what people think!"
"On the other hand this one guy with no oversight and no established brand name to defend, telling us all who to trust or not for all the news media in the whole World is absolutelly trustworthy and couldn't possibly be a way to control which Propaganda people trust the most. I mean even the !world@lemmy.world moderators tell us he's honest and these people have been selected by the impeccably meritocratic, fair and honest criteria of being the first to create the sub or being brough in by their mates"
"The whole thing looks like a perfect chain of trust to me".
While that does show how unreliable mbfc can be, that isn't quite the full picture. They do rate breitbart significantly lower in the credibility category compared to the guardian, as well as tagging them as propaganda, extreme right, and conspiracy theorists, which is an accurate takeaway for breitbart. Factual reporting is not all that mbfc covers
Nope, nope, back it up a step. If your organization claiming to quantify "Factual Reporting" calls Breitbart "MIXED" in that respect (let alone puts it on the same level as The Guardian), you have absolutely failed at your job and do not deserve to be taken seriously by anybody.
MBFC rating for Breitbart -
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
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Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Failed Fact Checks Bias Rating: RIGHT Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: USA Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Website Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
And MBFC rating for the Guardian -
LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.
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Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: United Kingdom MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Newspaper Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY History
I think they're doing their job reasonably well. It's up to you whether you read the actual links or not
I like how despite copy-pasting these large excerpts as a Gish gallop, you cut it off right before:
That's not at all what mixed is?? If you fail like five fact checks in five years while you put out more than quintuple that amount of articles per day, that's not "MIXED", and it's literal orders of magnitude different than the disinformation factory that Breitbart is.
Moreover, the fact checks don't even seem to be accurate. "Private renting is making people ill." "Private renting is making people ill, but maybe this happens with other housing situations too, we don't know, so we rate this as false."
Absolutely asinine.
So you can find all this information out by reading a bit more of the MBFC report?
Cool, I'll do that, and get a slightly more objective opinion than I would've got, and make my own decisions about the source.
You continue barking at the moon like a leaded-petrol-huffing yank 😂
Strange person!