And they're done now right? Mission accomplished, bombings and airstrikes concluded, time to go home? Right guys? Guys?
Is Hezbollah still attacking Israel?
Is Israel still ethnically cleansing Palestine?
What does that have to do with Lebanon?
Imagine if Mexico launched rockets at the US in 2003 to protest our pointless invasion of Iraq. It would not end well for Mexico.
"What does it have to do with America?" - you in 1939
Notice that the US didn't enter WW2 until it was attacked at Pearl Harbor.
And since then it hasn't launched rockets at military peers, even to stop a genocide. Just ask the families of tens of thousands of Chechens killed by Russians ~20 years ago.
If Hezbollah wanted to follow the modern American example, it would only start wars against weaker countries. Israel isn't one of them. Instead, Hezbollah is using the FAFO strategy.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Zionism, that includes ending Israeli occupation of any people, from Lebanese to Syrian to Palestinian. Hezbollah only exists because of Israel.
::: spoiler 1982
The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians.
On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.
Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah's behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah's restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah's earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in
the south.
Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria's calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel
The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities.
It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019.
While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.
Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.
While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.
So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.
Canada has a longstanding border dispute too, with the US.
Imagine if Canada launched rockets at the US, because of the border dispute and also because Canada believed US arms shipments to Israel violated international law. It would not end well for Canada.
In this scenario, who is America ethnically cleansing?
I've been told Biden is guilty of genocide, is that no longer true?
Yes, the US is currently aiding and abetting Israel's genocide. In violation of International humanitarian law and domestic US Law.
::: spoiler Amnesty
In a new research briefing submitted to the U.S. government today as part of the National Security Memorandum on Safeguards and Accountability with Respect to Transferred Defense Articles and Defense Services (NSM-20) process, Amnesty International USA details civilian deaths and injuries with U.S.-made weapons, as well as other cases that highlight an overall pattern of unlawful attacks by Israeli forces. The briefing also details practices by Israeli forces inconsistent with best practices for mitigating civilian harm and provides clear examples of the misuse of defense articles, the commission of torture, and the use of unlawful lethal force. Lastly, the briefing also details the denial of humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of Gaza.
“It’s shocking that the Biden administration continues to hold that the government of Israel is not violating international humanitarian law with U.S.-provided weapons when our research shows otherwise and international law experts disagree,” said Amanda Klasing, National Director for Government Relations with Amnesty International USA. “The International Court of Justice found the risk of genocide in Gaza is plausible and ordered provisional measures. President Biden must end U.S. complicity with the government of Israel’s grave violations of international law and immediately suspend the transfer of weapons to the government of Israel.”
“The evidence is clear and overwhelming: the government of Israel is using U.S.-made weapons in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law, and in a manner that is inconsistent with U.S. law and policy, said Klasing. “In order to follow U.S. laws and policies, the United States must immediately suspend any transfer of arms to the government of Israel.”
And if Canada agreed with you and started launching rockets at the US on that basis, it would suffer the consequences. Much like Hezbollah.
If the US historically colonized Vancouver in the past, until an Armed Canadian Resistance forced the US to withdrawal, and the US continued to occupy and ethnicity cleanse let's say Alaska (if Alaska was not a part of the US in this scenario), and that armed group would continue to resist as long as the US occupied indigenous people, then yes. The genocidal US regime would extend it's aggression to Canada once again
Let's try an actual historical example.
Russia historically colonized Lithuania in the past, until the dissolution of the Soviet Union forced Russians to withdraw, but Russia continued to occupy and ethnically cleanse Kaliningrad (formerly the German city of Konigsberg).
What do you suppose would happen to Lithuania if it started launching rockets at Russia in an effort to decolonize Kaliningrad? Same as Hezbollah: FAFO
How many children died in this attack on a residential complex in a crowded city?
Oh is this what we're doing this week? Pretending Hezbollah are good guys? Why aren't you calling out Hezbollah for using civilians as human shields if that's the case?
This isn’t the movies there is not good and bad guys The real world is not black and white.
We can't call out people for an accusation you can't really prove. Unless you're arguing that all militaries and militias should have all of their combatant and non-combatant agencies away from the population centers they have to defend.
Not a single rocket fired into Israel has been from Beirut.
For what reason do you think they'd build their HQ there and not far away from the population?
The IDF HQ is in central Tel Aviv.
Hell, forget the ME, the Greek army HQ is next to a metro station. The Canadian Army HQ is in central Ottawa. Indian army HQ in downtown New Delhi.
This is not the own that the "human shields" narrative for Lebanon wants it to be.
If you take a look at it, you'd realize it is tall, and far from any habitation. And in a military base. If is was attacked, there would be little risks of civilian collateral damages. Sure, it is in central Tel Aviv on paper, but more because the city grew around it than because it was deliberately put there.
I couldn't find anything about the Greek army HQ, care to provide a link?
Edit: the line between "it happened organically through urban growth" and "was put there on purpose" is the line between "I like them" and "I don't like them". Like who you like but don't expect everyone to buy into your narrative.
Funny since I'm rather pro palestinian, but let's go with it.
I take into account that I don't know a lot of things as I'm not some sort of omnipotent being.
Here is the data I got :
On the Hezbollah, as they don't have an habit of documenting their bases (for obvious reason), all I know is that it was in a densely inhabited area, and reportedly underground.
So either it was built before this zone became densely populated, or it was built on a later date, knowing the area was densely inhabited.
Either way, it is either negligence, if they allowed the population to encroach on what should be considered a military area, or knowingly, to use the population as shield. Unfortunately they are against an army that don't care about killing innocents, so that was of no use.
On the IDF side, according to Wikipedia, Camp Rabin is used as the IDF headquarters since 1948, at that time it was still an agricultural settlement in the periphery of Tel Aviv. This was seized from a Christian community, reportedly because they where nazi sympathizers, and they used to create the IDF HQ there.
This actually reminds me of that modified hellfire the US made in which they basically removed the explosives and installed a metal slug with blades, which they used to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the last few years in Afghanistan.
The idea being that the kinetic warhead would greatly reduce the collateral and allow pinpoint precision on targets in a dense area.
Of course Israel could never. They decided to go with fitting bombs onto pagers & walkie talkies, and their age old strategy of leveling entire buildings hoping the target is inside. Gotta win that maximum civilian death trophy at any cost.
How come these terrorist fuckwads surround themselves with women and children when they’re being hunted by the IDF? Easy solution to not being killed, don’t be a terrorist, and don’t hang out with terrorists. Boom easy
Odd, you’re using terrorist fuckwads and IDF as if they’re two separate things?
Also the Kirya is located in a residential area, I’m guessing you’re in favour of Tel Aviv being bombed?
Heaven forbid a human have a family! Just because they are terrorists doesn’t mean they’re not people like the rest of us.
He talked the talk, but now he can't walk the walk.
But he can clump the clump?
C'mon Ukraine! Do Moscow!
Nice, killed a big terrorist. Also created a few hundred, maybe even a few more big terrorists, but you got this one.
::: spoiler Sky News UK - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Sky News UK:
And they're done now right? Mission accomplished, bombings and airstrikes concluded, time to go home? Right guys? Guys?
Is Hezbollah still attacking Israel?
Is Israel still ethnically cleansing Palestine?
What does that have to do with Lebanon?
Imagine if Mexico launched rockets at the US in 2003 to protest our pointless invasion of Iraq. It would not end well for Mexico.
"What does it have to do with America?" - you in 1939
Notice that the US didn't enter WW2 until it was attacked at Pearl Harbor.
And since then it hasn't launched rockets at military peers, even to stop a genocide. Just ask the families of tens of thousands of Chechens killed by Russians ~20 years ago.
If Hezbollah wanted to follow the modern American example, it would only start wars against weaker countries. Israel isn't one of them. Instead, Hezbollah is using the FAFO strategy.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Zionism, that includes ending Israeli occupation of any people, from Lebanese to Syrian to Palestinian. Hezbollah only exists because of Israel.
::: spoiler 1982
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::: spoiler Israeli Withdrawal
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::: spoiler 2006
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
::: spoiler 2007 - Present
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/17/beyond-hezbollah-the-history-of-tensions-between-lebanon-and-israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict
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Canada has a longstanding border dispute too, with the US.
Imagine if Canada launched rockets at the US, because of the border dispute and also because Canada believed US arms shipments to Israel violated international law. It would not end well for Canada.
In this scenario, who is America ethnically cleansing?
I've been told Biden is guilty of genocide, is that no longer true?
Yes, the US is currently aiding and abetting Israel's genocide. In violation of International humanitarian law and domestic US Law.
::: spoiler Amnesty
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And if Canada agreed with you and started launching rockets at the US on that basis, it would suffer the consequences. Much like Hezbollah.
If the US historically colonized Vancouver in the past, until an Armed Canadian Resistance forced the US to withdrawal, and the US continued to occupy and ethnicity cleanse let's say Alaska (if Alaska was not a part of the US in this scenario), and that armed group would continue to resist as long as the US occupied indigenous people, then yes. The genocidal US regime would extend it's aggression to Canada once again
Let's try an actual historical example.
Russia historically colonized Lithuania in the past, until the dissolution of the Soviet Union forced Russians to withdraw, but Russia continued to occupy and ethnically cleanse Kaliningrad (formerly the German city of Konigsberg).
What do you suppose would happen to Lithuania if it started launching rockets at Russia in an effort to decolonize Kaliningrad? Same as Hezbollah: FAFO
Never was
History says otherwise, proves Israel is indeed ethnically cleansing the Palestinian people and currently committing genocide.
Thank you for your comment though, I now know, I can block you.
Guess you're blind as fuck then, eh?
How many children died in this attack on a residential complex in a crowded city?
Oh is this what we're doing this week? Pretending Hezbollah are good guys? Why aren't you calling out Hezbollah for using civilians as human shields if that's the case?
This isn’t the movies there is not good and bad guys The real world is not black and white.
We can't call out people for an accusation you can't really prove. Unless you're arguing that all militaries and militias should have all of their combatant and non-combatant agencies away from the population centers they have to defend.
Not a single rocket fired into Israel has been from Beirut.
For what reason do you think they'd build their HQ there and not far away from the population?
The IDF HQ is in central Tel Aviv.
Hell, forget the ME, the Greek army HQ is next to a metro station. The Canadian Army HQ is in central Ottawa. Indian army HQ in downtown New Delhi.
This is not the own that the "human shields" narrative for Lebanon wants it to be.
If you take a look at it, you'd realize it is tall, and far from any habitation. And in a military base. If is was attacked, there would be little risks of civilian collateral damages. Sure, it is in central Tel Aviv on paper, but more because the city grew around it than because it was deliberately put there.
I couldn't find anything about the Greek army HQ, care to provide a link?
Here you go: https://maps.app.goo.gl/M4uFig4YF5PL8Zp56
Edit: the line between "it happened organically through urban growth" and "was put there on purpose" is the line between "I like them" and "I don't like them". Like who you like but don't expect everyone to buy into your narrative.
Funny since I'm rather pro palestinian, but let's go with it.
I take into account that I don't know a lot of things as I'm not some sort of omnipotent being.
Here is the data I got :
On the Hezbollah, as they don't have an habit of documenting their bases (for obvious reason), all I know is that it was in a densely inhabited area, and reportedly underground.
So either it was built before this zone became densely populated, or it was built on a later date, knowing the area was densely inhabited.
Either way, it is either negligence, if they allowed the population to encroach on what should be considered a military area, or knowingly, to use the population as shield. Unfortunately they are against an army that don't care about killing innocents, so that was of no use.
On the IDF side, according to Wikipedia, Camp Rabin is used as the IDF headquarters since 1948, at that time it was still an agricultural settlement in the periphery of Tel Aviv. This was seized from a Christian community, reportedly because they where nazi sympathizers, and they used to create the IDF HQ there.
This actually reminds me of that modified hellfire the US made in which they basically removed the explosives and installed a metal slug with blades, which they used to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the last few years in Afghanistan.
The idea being that the kinetic warhead would greatly reduce the collateral and allow pinpoint precision on targets in a dense area.
Of course Israel could never. They decided to go with fitting bombs onto pagers & walkie talkies, and their age old strategy of leveling entire buildings hoping the target is inside. Gotta win that maximum civilian death trophy at any cost.
How come these terrorist fuckwads surround themselves with women and children when they’re being hunted by the IDF? Easy solution to not being killed, don’t be a terrorist, and don’t hang out with terrorists. Boom easy
Odd, you’re using terrorist fuckwads and IDF as if they’re two separate things?
Also the Kirya is located in a residential area, I’m guessing you’re in favour of Tel Aviv being bombed?
Heaven forbid a human have a family! Just because they are terrorists doesn’t mean they’re not people like the rest of us.
He talked the talk, but now he can't walk the walk.
But he can clump the clump?
C'mon Ukraine! Do Moscow!
Nice, killed a big terrorist. Also created a few hundred, maybe even a few more big terrorists, but you got this one.
::: spoiler Sky News UK - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report) Information for Sky News UK:
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Makes no sense. Soon new leader, if the killing is confirmed, will be elected.
Certainly going for the people at the top will ultimately result in less killing. The alternative is to just try to kill all the Hezbollah members.
And then all the bombing Israel has done in Gaza and where ever else. Guess what they does …..