This is really messed up, and I sympathize with her situation, but this is not torture. Words matter. I’d call this harassment, fraud, or malicious company behavior, but not torture. Doesn’t mean it’s right, and the company/seller should absolutely be held responsible.
I looked at it again and it reads “tortured“ woman. I think this is an older usage that most people now aren’t used to seeing. What this means is tortured, is not ‘being tortured’, it’s used as an adjective not a verb. So what I remember from a long time ago was the phrase “she/he had a tortured look on their face”. It doesn’t mean literal torture in the Abu Ghraib sense. BUT, I’m still gonna go with: click bait!
It's hyperbole. You've never been very hungry and said "I'm starving" or been out in very hot weather for a while and said "I'm dying out here"? I'm pretty sure the average reader is able to figure out from context she has not actually been abducted to a black site and waterboarded.
Hyperbole is fine in small talk with coworkers, hyperbole in "news" headlines is annoying ass clickbait.
A Canadian woman, Anca Nitu, told CBC that over the past two months, more than 50 packages have arrived at her home.
Nitu said she has lost sleep trying to make the packages stop coming, and so far she's accrued Collect-On-Delivery customs charges from UPS that now exceed $300.
Ars could not reach Nitu for comment, but she told CBC that neither UPS nor Amazon has helped her dispute the charges or correct the issue.
Ars could not immediately reach either company for comment, but a UPS spokesperson told CBC that it's investigating the complaint.
An Amazon spokesperson told CBC that "the case in question has been addressed, and corrective action is being taken to stop the packages."
At one point, she contacted police, who advised her to open the packages, then dispose of them, CBC reported.
Amazon isn't the one responsible for this action; rather, it's the sellers who are altering the return address of their products to evade return fees. Opting for a random address is a more cost-effective choice for them. Amazon can stop it.
So it's not Amazon's responsibility to confirm the address of companies they allow to sell products on their site? I think that's at least partially in Amazon's domain, they can at least confirm addresses and where sellers are shipping products from compared to their return labels. It may be cost effective but if the seller doesn't expect their shoes back why even bother? Oh cause then customers would take advantage... yeah can't have that.
The responsibility lies with Amazon, although it's probable that sellers manipulated the automated-system, a tactic they frequently employ.
Morally yes in the sense that they can do shit about it and bloody should, legally I think the ball is in the court of delivery companies, though. Providing fake return addresses is not something they should let senders get away with, least of all commercial ones. Write contractual damages into the delivery contract, hook legal up to the data feed, done.
Amazon only profited 244 billion dollars last year, don't make them spend money on actually curating things.
Deny the ones with customs charges. Keep, donate or sell the rest of it. For $300 I'd be happy to donate decent stuff to local shelters though.
why is Collect-On-Delivery even allowed? It should be a gamble for the shipper. The person being delivered to can pay if they want. If not then they should not send Collect-On-Delivery stuff to them.
Well even if it is collect-on-delivery, the woman is clearly not actually taking a delivery. So there ought to be nothing to collect and the parcel goes back to the sender. The whole article ultimately comes down to some shady dealers (not Amazon) sending a woman stuff, and USPS (not Amazon) being assholes and trying to strongarm her into paying because they don't want to take the parcels back despite her legally not accepting them.
As far as Amazon goes they are assholes, but mainly for not verifying that the return address sellers use is actually valid, but I also wonder to what degree they can know. I guess they could require a business contact at that address to verify that yes, this is indeed the return address for parcels by company XYZ?
Just want to submit a correction. Article says UPS, not USPS.
Just don't pay lol? Free shoes, open an ebay store.
When life gives you shoes
When life gives you shoes, you open a shoe store. (or just donate them)
sounds like jeff bezos is trying to get the tortured women gifts lol
What's so hard about opening the door and kicking the box into the street? Picking it up and tossing it in the trash? Maybe donate them to the homeless or the needy? Crying about free stuff, their life must be tough.
You didn't read the article, she gives them away to friends but has no way of storing them and is in a battle with UPS to stop unjust delivery charges.
Also some people have ethics about littering or contributing to needless waste.
Says she ignoring the charges sooooo enjoy the shoes. The cops told her to open them and dispose. She could start a shoe business if it's that drastic. But, yeah torture for sure lol
Reading is a fun and beneficial pastime, try it
I'm going to send you an invoice, I expect you'll pay it
I won't, but I'm sure if you had the excess money to pursue litigation you could at least make my life quite difficult in the meantime.
I mean it wouldn't take much to start her own store on ebay, or amazon, or wherever and just start reselling them, even for a couple bucks profit a piece after shipping and fees, this should be like manna from heaven, free stuff, i mean, what lol, just sell the stuff on
Or donate them to those in need
Do you know how much time and effort is required to set up an online store?
This is really messed up, and I sympathize with her situation, but this is not torture. Words matter. I’d call this harassment, fraud, or malicious company behavior, but not torture. Doesn’t mean it’s right, and the company/seller should absolutely be held responsible.
I looked at it again and it reads “tortured“ woman. I think this is an older usage that most people now aren’t used to seeing. What this means is tortured, is not ‘being tortured’, it’s used as an adjective not a verb. So what I remember from a long time ago was the phrase “she/he had a tortured look on their face”. It doesn’t mean literal torture in the Abu Ghraib sense. BUT, I’m still gonna go with: click bait!
It's hyperbole. You've never been very hungry and said "I'm starving" or been out in very hot weather for a while and said "I'm dying out here"? I'm pretty sure the average reader is able to figure out from context she has not actually been abducted to a black site and waterboarded.
Hyperbole is fine in small talk with coworkers, hyperbole in "news" headlines is annoying ass clickbait.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A Canadian woman, Anca Nitu, told CBC that over the past two months, more than 50 packages have arrived at her home.
Nitu said she has lost sleep trying to make the packages stop coming, and so far she's accrued Collect-On-Delivery customs charges from UPS that now exceed $300.
Ars could not reach Nitu for comment, but she told CBC that neither UPS nor Amazon has helped her dispute the charges or correct the issue.
Ars could not immediately reach either company for comment, but a UPS spokesperson told CBC that it's investigating the complaint.
An Amazon spokesperson told CBC that "the case in question has been addressed, and corrective action is being taken to stop the packages."
At one point, she contacted police, who advised her to open the packages, then dispose of them, CBC reported.
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Amazon isn't the one responsible for this action; rather, it's the sellers who are altering the return address of their products to evade return fees. Opting for a random address is a more cost-effective choice for them. Amazon can stop it.
So it's not Amazon's responsibility to confirm the address of companies they allow to sell products on their site? I think that's at least partially in Amazon's domain, they can at least confirm addresses and where sellers are shipping products from compared to their return labels. It may be cost effective but if the seller doesn't expect their shoes back why even bother? Oh cause then customers would take advantage... yeah can't have that.
The responsibility lies with Amazon, although it's probable that sellers manipulated the automated-system, a tactic they frequently employ.
Morally yes in the sense that they can do shit about it and bloody should, legally I think the ball is in the court of delivery companies, though. Providing fake return addresses is not something they should let senders get away with, least of all commercial ones. Write contractual damages into the delivery contract, hook legal up to the data feed, done.
Amazon only profited 244 billion dollars last year, don't make them spend money on actually curating things.
Deny the ones with customs charges. Keep, donate or sell the rest of it. For $300 I'd be happy to donate decent stuff to local shelters though.
why is Collect-On-Delivery even allowed? It should be a gamble for the shipper. The person being delivered to can pay if they want. If not then they should not send Collect-On-Delivery stuff to them.
Well even if it is collect-on-delivery, the woman is clearly not actually taking a delivery. So there ought to be nothing to collect and the parcel goes back to the sender. The whole article ultimately comes down to some shady dealers (not Amazon) sending a woman stuff, and USPS (not Amazon) being assholes and trying to strongarm her into paying because they don't want to take the parcels back despite her legally not accepting them.
As far as Amazon goes they are assholes, but mainly for not verifying that the return address sellers use is actually valid, but I also wonder to what degree they can know. I guess they could require a business contact at that address to verify that yes, this is indeed the return address for parcels by company XYZ?
Just want to submit a correction. Article says UPS, not USPS.
Just don't pay lol? Free shoes, open an ebay store.
When life gives you shoes
When life gives you shoes, you open a shoe store. (or just donate them)
sounds like jeff bezos is trying to get the tortured women gifts lol
What's so hard about opening the door and kicking the box into the street? Picking it up and tossing it in the trash? Maybe donate them to the homeless or the needy? Crying about free stuff, their life must be tough.
You didn't read the article, she gives them away to friends but has no way of storing them and is in a battle with UPS to stop unjust delivery charges.
Also some people have ethics about littering or contributing to needless waste.
Says she ignoring the charges sooooo enjoy the shoes. The cops told her to open them and dispose. She could start a shoe business if it's that drastic. But, yeah torture for sure lol
Reading is a fun and beneficial pastime, try it
I'm going to send you an invoice, I expect you'll pay it
I won't, but I'm sure if you had the excess money to pursue litigation you could at least make my life quite difficult in the meantime.
Doubt it
counterpoint: I believe so
I mean it wouldn't take much to start her own store on ebay, or amazon, or wherever and just start reselling them, even for a couple bucks profit a piece after shipping and fees, this should be like manna from heaven, free stuff, i mean, what lol, just sell the stuff on
Or donate them to those in need
Do you know how much time and effort is required to set up an online store?