American propaganda has created so many people with vengeance boners. Zero nuance. Just hate filled dreams of being Rorschach, Joker, etc.
None of them come together to make anything better. They just target the nearest person they believe is the enemy. It’s so sad and dangerous.
Tough time to be an American Jew I imagine. Saw a video of an American Palestinian who was bitching about all the stupid questions she's constantly asked. Like do you like Hamas? She said she didn't like terrorists.
American Jew here. It's been a tough time since people in Charlottesville were chanting, "Jews will not replace us," and the president called them very fine people.
I'm far more wary of right-wing white Americans finding out I'm a Jew than I am of any Palestinian in this country.
Yup, that’s about the same time I started not volunteering anything about my Jewishness to anyone who didn’t already know. Based on the genuinely alarming shit I’ve heard from my neighbors over the last few years, I guess we’re back to hiding.
I’m also way more afraid of white right-wingers than of any Palestinian-Americans. Even in my bright blue state, I can’t help but feel the hate all around.
As for Palestinians, I feel nothing but solidarity and sympathy. If anyone should understand what they’ve been going through over the decades, ironically, it’s us Jews.
I wish I didn’t have to say this, but targeting civilians is wrong. Full stop.
My fiancee's sister's old college roommate (yes, really) was recently asked by her landlord to take down a Mezuzah from outside her door. This item isn't pro-Israel or anything political at all -- it's similar to hanging a cross, as a Christian, it's a religious item.
She’s probably being asked since most Palestinian Americans ive seen posting online aren’t even addressing whether or not they support Hamas while plenty of Jews are quick to call for peace and Netanyahus ousting.
Should we go ask every Jewish American if they support bombing hospitals? Illegal settlements? Every time the IDF shoots and kills a Palestinian child?
You just hate Palestinians because they are brown and Muslim. Stop pretending it's about anything other than justifying your bigotry.
If you took a poll it wouldn’t even be close in terms of Palestinians supporting Hamas’ goal of committing genocide vs American Jews supporting the same against Palestinians. That’s why you don’t see voices of Palestinians in the diaspora calling out Hamas while tons of American Jews are extremely critical of Israel. Apparently it’s racist for me to say that?
The fact that you think a group of people are bound by genealogy to "denounce hamas" reeks of bigotry. Additionally, the oppressed do not have the same responsibilities as the oppressors.
Idk people are bound by geneaology to "denounce white supremicist terrorist groups,” seems to me that's the standard, people assume you support the bad people that are the same color as you unless you go "no no no se I don't like them either, look I'm doing the good thing see? Look at me I'm one of the good ones!"
Not saying it's right, it just seems to be par for the course.
Btw, I'm not one of those white supremecists or anything like that, I support everyone's right to do whatever they want so long as they aren't hurting people or stealing their shit, just to be clear.
So were the kids and babies that were intentionally killed and abducted last week by Hamas militants “the oppressors”?
Do you mean the fake baby beheading story? Seriously, are you as passionate when Palestinian children are murdered daily by the IDF and settlers as you are for imaginary Israeli babies?
No I don’t mean that story which is of questionable veracity. However are you denying Hamas targeted and killed and abducted children eight days ago? Because they have said so themselves.
I specifically said Palestinians in the diaspora. Not Palestinians in Gaza. So unless you think Hamas is killing Palestinians protesting them in the US or Europe…
She’s probably being asked since most Palestinian Americans ive seen posting online aren’t even addressing whether or not they support Hamas
Whether you support Hamas is a more complicated question than whether you support Netenyahu, because while they're horrible they're also basically the only ones who are fighting against Israeli oppression (the West Bank government has been well and truly irrelevant since 2007), so "I support Hamas" and "I don't support Hamas" are both wrong answers. Personally I believe they're a necessary evil, though some of their actions (see: The excessive civilian casualties during last week's attack) deserve unequivocal condemnation.
I wouldn't say they're a necessary evil. More like they're the last ones left after all the alternatives got killed/bulldozed.
(They were also supported by Israel to weaken and delegitimize other Palestinian political factions)
It’s a complicated history. Originally they were more of a charitable organization and gradually morphed into their current state. But I understand why you left that out since it wasn’t convenient for this line of reasoning/victim blaming
Hol up, is your argument is that Hamas was a charitable organization in 2019 when they were funding them to delegitimize the Palestinian Authority with the express purpose of sabotaging the Palestinian state?
Because if so, that's a big fucking yikes bruh.
Obviously not. Read this. Especially the first part regarding the founders work in the 1960s.
Cool story, but what does that have to do with Israel funding them in 2010s?
I get the point you're trying to make, but I'm honestly not sure how it relates to mine. The fact they used to be a charitable organization is immaterial to Israel funding Hamas well after they became militant against Israel, and them doing it for the purpose of helping delegitimize the PA and sabotage Palestine as a state.
You’re shifting the discussion. This thread started with OP saying Hamas is a necessary evil 8 days after they slaughtered 1300+ civilians in cold blood and abducted 100+ more.
You're shifting the discussion
L. O. L. What happened to the cOmPlIcAtEd HiStOrY argument you were just making while failing to refute the point that Israel supported/funded Hamas?
This thread started with OP saying Hamas is a necessary evil 8 days after they slaughtered 1300+ civilians in cold blood and abducted 100+ more.
Is that what they said? Because you're leaving out the very important end of the comment that I was specifically replying to:
More like they’re the last ones left after all the alternatives got killed/bulldozed.
And you want to accuse me of shifting the discussion?! You need to get over yourself and realize that Israel's very recent funding is absolutely and directly material to the discussion at hand.
Oh ok so you support the intentional targeting and killing of innocents since you think Hamas is a necessary evil. Thanks for clearing that up
Bro I get you're trying to be obnoxious here but the word "necessary evil" includes "evil".
I’m the obnoxious one? Palestinians have plenty of other options - they could’ve voted for a party other than Hamas and instead that was the political ideology they felt would best represent them. Well when you elect terrorists and they commit heinous acts, that government can’t be allowed to continue to govern.
the pentagon differs.
What does that even mean?
it means that the usa does terrorism as a matter of policy, and the pentagon will never let you dismantle their government.
Ah ok so please tell me which middle eastern country is morally superior to the U.S.
I’ll wait.
baby, I'm an anarchist: smash capital and the state.
Of course people view this as an opportunity.
Neonazis stop existing challenge. (Please.)
So is this what world wars feel like at the beginning ?
As I understand it, the lead-up to WWI was a maze of increasing tensions and political maneuvering between many countries during the lead up combined with a web of complex alliances, rampant nationalism, imperial ambitions of Germany, and pan-Slavism. Against that backdrop the assassination set a match to tensions between Serbia and Austria-Hungary resulting in retaliatory declaration of war which then spread rapidly across euroopr
I don't know enough about geopolitics prior to 1939 to say anything useful.
I confess I am a bit more nervous than before seeing more countries rattling their sabers over the Israel / Palestine situation. I hope things calm down but with Israel's talk of invading I fear the tensions will escalate before subsiding.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Speaking from prepared remarks at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in San Diego, Wray acknowledged an increase in domestic threats due to the “heightened environment”, calling for increased vigilance and requesting that police continue to share intelligence.
“Whether that be from foreign terrorist organizations, or those inspired by them, or domestic violent extremists motivated by their own racial animus, the targeting of a community because of their faith is completely unacceptable.”
In his remarks on Saturday, Wray offered “heartfelt condolences to the people of Israel, and share the outrage I know we all feel at the sheer brutality and disregard for innocent lives there”.
In a post on the FBI’s website last week, the agency said that while it did not have “specific and credible intelligence indicating a threat”, it was “closely monitoring unfolding events” and would “not hesitate to adjust our security posture, as appropriate”.
About two dozen US or dual US-Israeli citizens are believed to be among hundreds of people killed or missing from last Saturday’s Hamas attack.
“Reports of deceased, injured, or unaccounted for Americans are being treated with the utmost urgency and aggressively investigated,” the agency added.
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American propaganda has created so many people with vengeance boners. Zero nuance. Just hate filled dreams of being Rorschach, Joker, etc.
None of them come together to make anything better. They just target the nearest person they believe is the enemy. It’s so sad and dangerous.
Tough time to be an American Jew I imagine. Saw a video of an American Palestinian who was bitching about all the stupid questions she's constantly asked. Like do you like Hamas? She said she didn't like terrorists.
American Jew here. It's been a tough time since people in Charlottesville were chanting, "Jews will not replace us," and the president called them very fine people.
I'm far more wary of right-wing white Americans finding out I'm a Jew than I am of any Palestinian in this country.
Yup, that’s about the same time I started not volunteering anything about my Jewishness to anyone who didn’t already know. Based on the genuinely alarming shit I’ve heard from my neighbors over the last few years, I guess we’re back to hiding.
I’m also way more afraid of white right-wingers than of any Palestinian-Americans. Even in my bright blue state, I can’t help but feel the hate all around.
As for Palestinians, I feel nothing but solidarity and sympathy. If anyone should understand what they’ve been going through over the decades, ironically, it’s us Jews.
I wish I didn’t have to say this, but targeting civilians is wrong. Full stop.
My fiancee's sister's old college roommate (yes, really) was recently asked by her landlord to take down a Mezuzah from outside her door. This item isn't pro-Israel or anything political at all -- it's similar to hanging a cross, as a Christian, it's a religious item.
She’s probably being asked since most Palestinian Americans ive seen posting online aren’t even addressing whether or not they support Hamas while plenty of Jews are quick to call for peace and Netanyahus ousting.
Should we go ask every Jewish American if they support bombing hospitals? Illegal settlements? Every time the IDF shoots and kills a Palestinian child?
You just hate Palestinians because they are brown and Muslim. Stop pretending it's about anything other than justifying your bigotry.
If you took a poll it wouldn’t even be close in terms of Palestinians supporting Hamas’ goal of committing genocide vs American Jews supporting the same against Palestinians. That’s why you don’t see voices of Palestinians in the diaspora calling out Hamas while tons of American Jews are extremely critical of Israel. Apparently it’s racist for me to say that?
The fact that you think a group of people are bound by genealogy to "denounce hamas" reeks of bigotry. Additionally, the oppressed do not have the same responsibilities as the oppressors.
Idk people are bound by geneaology to "denounce white supremicist terrorist groups,” seems to me that's the standard, people assume you support the bad people that are the same color as you unless you go "no no no se I don't like them either, look I'm doing the good thing see? Look at me I'm one of the good ones!"
Not saying it's right, it just seems to be par for the course.
Btw, I'm not one of those white supremecists or anything like that, I support everyone's right to do whatever they want so long as they aren't hurting people or stealing their shit, just to be clear.
So were the kids and babies that were intentionally killed and abducted last week by Hamas militants “the oppressors”?
Do you mean the fake baby beheading story? Seriously, are you as passionate when Palestinian children are murdered daily by the IDF and settlers as you are for imaginary Israeli babies?
No I don’t mean that story which is of questionable veracity. However are you denying Hamas targeted and killed and abducted children eight days ago? Because they have said so themselves.
Plenty huh
Yep here’s just one example.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jewish-americans-protest-gaza
How many Palestinians in the diaspora are protesting the targeting of civilians (both Israeli and Palestinian) by Hamas? I’ll wait.
These guys would protest, but they are dead..
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
I specifically said Palestinians in the diaspora. Not Palestinians in Gaza. So unless you think Hamas is killing Palestinians protesting them in the US or Europe…
Whether you support Hamas is a more complicated question than whether you support Netenyahu, because while they're horrible they're also basically the only ones who are fighting against Israeli oppression (the West Bank government has been well and truly irrelevant since 2007), so "I support Hamas" and "I don't support Hamas" are both wrong answers. Personally I believe they're a necessary evil, though some of their actions (see: The excessive civilian casualties during last week's attack) deserve unequivocal condemnation.
I wouldn't say they're a necessary evil. More like they're the last ones left after all the alternatives got killed/bulldozed.
(They were also supported by Israel to weaken and delegitimize other Palestinian political factions)
It’s a complicated history. Originally they were more of a charitable organization and gradually morphed into their current state. But I understand why you left that out since it wasn’t convenient for this line of reasoning/victim blaming
Hol up, is your argument is that Hamas was a charitable organization in 2019 when they were funding them to delegitimize the Palestinian Authority with the express purpose of sabotaging the Palestinian state?
Because if so, that's a big fucking yikes bruh.
Obviously not. Read this. Especially the first part regarding the founders work in the 1960s.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding
Cool story, but what does that have to do with Israel funding them in 2010s?
I get the point you're trying to make, but I'm honestly not sure how it relates to mine. The fact they used to be a charitable organization is immaterial to Israel funding Hamas well after they became militant against Israel, and them doing it for the purpose of helping delegitimize the PA and sabotage Palestine as a state.
You’re shifting the discussion. This thread started with OP saying Hamas is a necessary evil 8 days after they slaughtered 1300+ civilians in cold blood and abducted 100+ more.
L. O. L. What happened to the cOmPlIcAtEd HiStOrY argument you were just making while failing to refute the point that Israel supported/funded Hamas?
Is that what they said? Because you're leaving out the very important end of the comment that I was specifically replying to:
And you want to accuse me of shifting the discussion?! You need to get over yourself and realize that Israel's very recent funding is absolutely and directly material to the discussion at hand.
Oh ok so you support the intentional targeting and killing of innocents since you think Hamas is a necessary evil. Thanks for clearing that up
Bro I get you're trying to be obnoxious here but the word "necessary evil" includes "evil".
I’m the obnoxious one? Palestinians have plenty of other options - they could’ve voted for a party other than Hamas and instead that was the political ideology they felt would best represent them. Well when you elect terrorists and they commit heinous acts, that government can’t be allowed to continue to govern.
the pentagon differs.
What does that even mean?
it means that the usa does terrorism as a matter of policy, and the pentagon will never let you dismantle their government.
Ah ok so please tell me which middle eastern country is morally superior to the U.S.
I’ll wait.
baby, I'm an anarchist: smash capital and the state.
Of course people view this as an opportunity.
Neonazis stop existing challenge. (Please.)
So is this what world wars feel like at the beginning ?
As I understand it, the lead-up to WWI was a maze of increasing tensions and political maneuvering between many countries during the lead up combined with a web of complex alliances, rampant nationalism, imperial ambitions of Germany, and pan-Slavism. Against that backdrop the assassination set a match to tensions between Serbia and Austria-Hungary resulting in retaliatory declaration of war which then spread rapidly across euroopr
I don't know enough about geopolitics prior to 1939 to say anything useful.
I confess I am a bit more nervous than before seeing more countries rattling their sabers over the Israel / Palestine situation. I hope things calm down but with Israel's talk of invading I fear the tensions will escalate before subsiding.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Speaking from prepared remarks at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in San Diego, Wray acknowledged an increase in domestic threats due to the “heightened environment”, calling for increased vigilance and requesting that police continue to share intelligence.
“Whether that be from foreign terrorist organizations, or those inspired by them, or domestic violent extremists motivated by their own racial animus, the targeting of a community because of their faith is completely unacceptable.”
In his remarks on Saturday, Wray offered “heartfelt condolences to the people of Israel, and share the outrage I know we all feel at the sheer brutality and disregard for innocent lives there”.
In a post on the FBI’s website last week, the agency said that while it did not have “specific and credible intelligence indicating a threat”, it was “closely monitoring unfolding events” and would “not hesitate to adjust our security posture, as appropriate”.
About two dozen US or dual US-Israeli citizens are believed to be among hundreds of people killed or missing from last Saturday’s Hamas attack.
“Reports of deceased, injured, or unaccounted for Americans are being treated with the utmost urgency and aggressively investigated,” the agency added.
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