Zelenskyy will arrive on Capitol Hill to grim mood as Biden's aid package for Ukraine risks collapse
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will arrive on Capitol Hill to a darker mood than when he swooped in last winter for a hero’s welcome, as the Russian invasion is grinding into a third year and U.S. funding hangs in balance.
Zelenskyy’s visit Tuesday comes as President Joe Biden’s request for an additional $110 billion U.S. aid package for Ukraine, Israel and other national security needs is at serious risk of collapse in Congress. Republicans are insisting on strict U.S.-Mexico border security changes that Democrats decry as draconian in exchange for the overseas aid.
“It is maddening,” said Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., a close ally of Biden, of the stalemate. “A very bad message to the world, to the Ukrainian people.”
Military support for Ukraine has been a huge job creator in the USA. More than 80% of the investments never left the States. The biggest winners are states like Pennsylvania, Texas, Arizona, Wisconsin and many more.
Everyone asking to stop military aid for Ukraine basically asks to stop funding those states, and on top helps all adversaries of the US, effectively weakening the US in the long run. The costs would be immeasurably high. Plus, the US reputation on the world stage will suffer for a generation or more when we give eastern Europe to Russia.
On the flip side, helping Ukraine will boost US economy, strengthen the Western alliances and deter anyone who dares to wage war against us or our allies. It has only benefits and can be easily achieved.,
Here in Alabama we make javelins. It has ben a pretty big boost to our economy. At least that’s what the papers tell me.
Have you heard of Saint Javelin?
I have, and from what I’ve heard she brings a pretty clear message to those in need of her teachings.
Hey smart guy, how much have you personally benefited from your tax dollars making other people richer?
Stop fooling yourself into thinking your ruler's success is your success. They are not the same.
Reputation? Really? I mean, they can keep sending support for Ukraine all they want but to act like this has anything to do with reputation is pretty funny especially in the wake of the US blocking the Gaza ceasefire vote.
This country has shown time and time again they don't really give a shit what it's reputation is on the world stage, regardless of administration..
Since WWII and even before allies, the EU, Japan, Australia etc have had confidence of the support of the US. That is essential as we work on our own geopolitical needs. To abandon a country in the middle of a fight will only decrease that confidence.
Sure I'm not talking about abandoning Ukraine or even criticizing the aid the US is sending here, I'm just saying I think it's pretty naive of us in 2023 to pretend this has anything to do with global reputation.
They didn't care in 04 going into Iraq, they didn't care the other day voting against a cease fire. Reputation with key allies they might need, sure, but not globally.
We had allies fight with us in Afghanistan and Iraq. UN votes have been like that for a long time. They are allied with the US, not Israel..
Reputation with key allies rather than the world stage then. I don't know why it has to be for anything else than quid pro quo with selected allies. That's a different sentiment than global reputation on the world stage.
Do any of you have any actual evidence to back up this assertion either way or is this thread inundated with people talking out of their assholes?
🤔 I wonder what kind of a clever comeback you'll offer in lieu of evidence, like you did the other guy down below.
Evidence of what? One thing that's clear, those always quick to ask for evidence are those that have not read much and have no other response to the point. So they make the OP do their research work for them.
So in other words, your claim the Ukraine war is fostering American jobs is baseless and you don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks for making it obvious.
Where do you think all those weapons come from?
Workers that could be doing something else.
Until you accept burden of proof is on you and offer evidence for your claims, it doesn't matter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/29/ukraine-military-aid-american-economy-boost/
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/ukraine-aids-best-kept-secret-most-of-the-money-stays-in-the-u-s-a/
Simple Google search will do it for you.
You literally could have just done that in the beginning and spared yourself a whole lot of agony instead of expecting other people to verify your claims for you.
That's how a debate works. Burden of proof is on you, not anyone else. Remember that.
It's common sense though that us weapons manufacture happens in the US... It's kinda in the name.
It literally doesn't matter. Just because it is consistent with what you want to hear doesn't make it true and when we make claims, we back them up with evidence instead of being selfish and lazy and expecting everyone else to just submit to our whims. He has the obligation to prove his claims regardless.
you're the one who doesn't want to look it up for themselves though...?
It's not even that I think. They're just a debatelord.
Yes I should have done something simple that anyone can but are too lazy to do on demand. Mea culpa
Yes you selfish entitled brat, you should have done something it is your responsibility to do whenever you make a positive claim instead of expecting everyone else to do work for you.
You don't know a damn thing about debate or even talking to anyone, and you need to sit down and shut up.
It's not my responsibility to teach you. I don't get paid for that.
This is a chat board not a debate. If you have a question, I usually am happy to answer. But, you didn't have a question, you had a demand. You didn't check, you insinuated I was lying. Then after I tire of you,as I really am now, and give you the answer you have the balls to berate me. Now go away like the little boy you are.
source?
https://www.ethosdebate.com/burden-proof-really-means/
It's not hard, you're just angry you got called out for doing something wrong, that's all.
Now you have two choices: you can prove that you're an ignorant, emotional, immature moron by pressing the point or you can actually go learn how you're supposed to think critically and debate.
I won't hold my breath.
a random blog post isn't an authoritative source on the matter
maybe try again?
I'm confused here. Trump ran on a platform of building the wall. They promoted all these stories about the wall being built and how it was the greatest wall ever. Steve Bannon raised a bunch of money privately for his We Build the Wall plan to build more wall.
So why are Republicans now claiming there's a crisis at the border with migrants pouring in unchecked? Are they saying that Trump is incompetent and didn't actually solve a problem he campaigned on? Are they suggesting Bannon is a grifter and scam artist? Or is this just a made up problem that they want to campaign on indefinitely?
Woah woah, expecting any of them to have two consecutive thoughts that are consistent with each other is way too high a bar for this crowd.
A new reality begins with each sentence in the modern GOP.
Remember: “Alternate reality”
An election is coming up and they want to whip the racist members of their base into a panic.
"You don't need healthcare, you need a big stupid wall that does nothing because Mexicans."
Because walls don't fucking work. Lol
Crazy how we fast-track support for Israel who doesn't even need it and has been receiving billions of dollars annually from the US.
The industrial military complex is built on funding for proxy wars with Russia. I wonder if the issue this time is that they are worried that with Russia directly involved instead of by proxy, this war may end up breaking Russia if they lose. Dismantling the perpetual antagonist that motivates further funding of the war machine is not in the interest of those who make money on wars.
There will always be a boogeyman. They are more worried about quarterly profits than anything long term.
I mean, China will still exist and is way better Boogeyman.
Since this bill also contains a ton of free genocide money for israel let's hope the Republicans keep blocking it.
Shame on Biden for combining defense money with genocide money.
If they weren’t combined republicans would approve Israel and vote against Ukraine.
When you want to shame someone think about the consequences of the other options, and/or put yourself in their shoes.
Why don't Americans elect politicians who campaign on ending 'combining' bills?
We likely would, if given the option. Our choices are: Meh and WTF. Any other party has about a snowballs chance (on the sun) of winning
And that's why these problems never get solved.
Tougher times for sure, but a particularly good leader can rally a mood just themselves, with words, nothing more.
He's been compared to some truly titanic wartime leaders. But it's time to see what you've really got Zelensky.
For the record, I'll be perfectly content if he just doesn't make anything worse. Historical superheroics isn't genuinely necessary, just a proud, hardworking man doing what he must for his country. That would probably go over fine here in America. People remember he's just some dude, a comedian no less, we would understand that.
But if he's got it in him, he could give some sort of Gettysburg Address type thing. Short, sweet, and hard-hitting.
edit because copy/pasting the whole thing was probably a little ostentatious.