Hamas has thousands of "command centers" it being a very top heavy organization and all. Its estimated for every Hamas soldier there's 10,000 managers - many of them women and toddlers - unanimously authorizing every war crime committed by Hamas.
im stealing this and putting it on twitter
The claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week, which the military alleges was being used as a command and control center by Hamas.
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
If you guys don't feel good, be sure to visit your local Hamas command and control center.
Joke aside, the whole article is disturbing as fuck.
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
It's not remotely surprising. Hamas run the entire Gaza Strip and have done for 17 years. Many of the doctors in these hospitals are also members of Hamas, including their militant wing, and are themselves responsible for terrorism. There's no layer of civil infrastructure that has not been infected by Hamas' poison.
Sorry, can you point me to the specific part of that article that says many of the doctors are Hamas? Because what I read is this:
In the first three weeks of the current operation, Swords of Iron, the civilian proportion of total deaths rose to 61%, in what Levy described as “unprecedented killing” for Israeli forces in Gaza. The ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian toll in all the conflicts around the world from the second world war to the 1990s, in which civilians accounted for about half the dead, according to Levy.
“The broad conclusion is that extensive killing of civilians not only contributes nothing to Israel’s security, but that it also contains the foundations for further undermining it,” Levy concluded. “The Gazans who will emerge from the ruins of their homes and the loss of their families will seek revenge that no security arrangements will be able to withstand.”
The study confirms an investigation 10 days ago by the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call, which found Israel was deliberately targeting residential blocks to cause mass civilian casualties in the hope people would turn on their Hamas rulers. The figures will make uneasy reading for the Biden administration, which is facing global criticism and isolation for vetoing a UN security council vote for a ceasefire on Friday.
Holy shit. TIL the civilian death toll in Gaza isn't that much greater than the average war per capita. I knew all war sucked but I didn't know they were all like this
What do you mean "isn't that much greater"? The Haaretz study shows a civilian death rate of around 61%, whereas prior conflicts in Gaza had a civilian death rate of 33% to 40%, and the article says the 61% level is unprecedented. A 20%-30% increase is an insane number of additional dead.
Yes. Those are also facts. They do not change the one you left out. The average is 50%. There has obviously been escalation above the average from being below it. That was not my comment. 60 from 50 isn't as much of a difference than I'd expected. This all looks so terrible. But apparently that's the norm
50% to 60% is an increase of 20% which is pretty large.
It's a 20% increase and 10% of the total, which is massive.
Dude.. you would think based on the news it was 99% total, or 500x the norm. I haven't even heard of a militant killed in months. So maybe 1.2x sounds right to you. Based on the media I consume, I expected literally 3 to 5x if not exponentially more.
I'd love to be so cynical as you, to see a 20% increase in civillian casualties in a region famous for collateral damage, and go "huh that's not so much, nothing is happening". Some people need to learn empathy.
I don't understand why people believe them.
When Russia bombed civilian churches, apartments, hospitals, and said they were being used as military command centers and such, nobody believed them, it was an obvious lie.
But when Israel says it the whole world just says "Wow makes perfect sense, good job!"
The director of a Gaza hospital admitted to Israeli interrogators that he had been recruited by Hamas to help turn the Strip’s medical centers into military facilities, the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) announced on Tuesday.
In a video released by the Shin Bet, Ahmed Kahlot, director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, said, “I was recruited to Hamas in 2010 at the rank of lieutenant colonel. There are employees in the hospital who are military operatives of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam [Hamas’s “military branch”]—doctors, brothers, paramedics, clerks, staff members.”
Kahlot added, “They hide in hospitals because they believe that a hospital is a safe place. They will not be harmed if they are inside a hospital.”
Israel security forces arrested Kahlot on Dec. 12.
During the interrogation, Kahlot describes how Hamas used hospitals and ambulances to hide operatives, launch military activity, transport members of terror squads and even deliver a kidnapped Israeli soldier.
“Hamas has offices inside the hospitals. There are places for senior officials, they also brought a kidnapped soldier there. There is a designated place for investigations, internal security and special security. They all have private phone lines inside the hospital,” he said.
Regarding the kidnapped soldier, Kahlot explained that “Hamas uses private ambulances. It has a different color, and no license plate. It was used to bring the kidnapped soldier and to transfer bodies. It comes and goes and does not take down the wounded.”
Kahlot told the interrogator: “Once I begged them to take a wounded man to the Indonesian hospital, for healing, for treatment. They refused. Their mission is more important.”
Hamas’s leaders, he continued, “are cowards. They left us in the field while they hide…. They destroyed us.”
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
The subtext of your message under the context of this thread: "Shooting at civilians is ok, actually". Thank you for further pushing the world into barbarism with this disgusting shit.
The 'subtext' of his message is actually pretty clear, no need to make up something yourself...
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
All of these are from the LAST WEEK. Putting so much effort to put into question trust towards doctors because they're denouncing crimes against civilians, just everyone else is denouncing from Gaza right now only serves to muddy the waters in the middle of a genocide.
The number of civilian deaths in Gaza is at maximum 60%, but likely significantly lower given Hamas tend to overcount and also methodologically don't distinguish between civilians and Hamas terrorists, of which the IDF claim to have killed more than 8,000.
It's not a genocide. Glad to clear that up for you.
Does the IDF have any proof that 8 thousand dead civilians are actually KHHHHHAMAS?
The number of civilian deaths in Gaza is at maximum 60%, but likely significantly lower
The ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian toll in all the conflicts around the world from the second world war to the 1990s, in which civilians accounted for about half the dead, according to Levy.
Wow, if only you could read...
Genocide deniers can read they just lie to your face and Shane you into treating them like they're not the monsters they are
You're sick in the head. Stop denying genocide
So you mean you cannot trust ANY Palestinian doctors? Is that your claim?
Nope. but you can't blindly trust them either, as many of them support or are part of a widely recognized terror organization.
Israel has very good intelligence agencies, they are the ones that can most likely figure out which ones are trustworthy and which are terrorists.
I guess you can't trust me either? I'm not a doctor but I'm Palestinian.
Oh my god, you guys love stuffing words into my mouth. When the fuck did I say anything remotely close to that?
I'm just asking, didn't stuff crap into your mouth.
I'm a random Palestinian on the internet. Do you distrust me?
Currently I neither trust or distrust you. Why do you ask?
This one is the same that soon after said also that confessions were extorted with tortures? Ot he was another one? Hard to keep count given how the IDF is brutalizing medical stuff all over Palestine..
Yes yes it was just torture. Of course, very good faith lmao
Zero photo or video evidence of the "command center" only a testimony of a guy that the IDF 100% tortured which they are known for. Totally not suspicious.
The IDF terrorists kidnapping a hospital director and torturing him into a forced confession is basically expected of them now. Scum of the earth
Why do you hate Jews (the "Scum of the earth" you're referring to) so much that you think they'd torture someone without having ANY evidence of this?
Yeah dude, totally no evidence Israel uses brutal torture techniques
Looks like they were talking about the IDF specifically. Honest mistake, I'm sure.
If the IDF arrests civilians without disclosing their location to their families or the local authorities or the press, then they can't expect anyone to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of those prisoners is credible.
So wait...are you saying we're supposed to discard this doctor's account because he's a member of Hamas? Wouldn't that mean then that the evidence you shared is untrustworthy and therefore your entire comment is a self-contradiction?
Hamas has thousands of "command centers" it being a very top heavy organization and all. Its estimated for every Hamas soldier there's 10,000 managers - many of them women and toddlers - unanimously authorizing every war crime committed by Hamas.
im stealing this and putting it on twitter
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
If you guys don't feel good, be sure to visit your local Hamas command and control center.
Joke aside, the whole article is disturbing as fuck.
There is also terrible footage of this https://youtu.be/g5OcE8JqkZM?feature=shared
It's not remotely surprising. Hamas run the entire Gaza Strip and have done for 17 years. Many of the doctors in these hospitals are also members of Hamas, including their militant wing, and are themselves responsible for terrorism. There's no layer of civil infrastructure that has not been infected by Hamas' poison.
Source: trust me bro?
Stop being an idiot.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/09/civilian-toll-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-unprecedented-killing-study
Sorry, can you point me to the specific part of that article that says many of the doctors are Hamas? Because what I read is this:
Holy shit. TIL the civilian death toll in Gaza isn't that much greater than the average war per capita. I knew all war sucked but I didn't know they were all like this
What do you mean "isn't that much greater"? The Haaretz study shows a civilian death rate of around 61%, whereas prior conflicts in Gaza had a civilian death rate of 33% to 40%, and the article says the 61% level is unprecedented. A 20%-30% increase is an insane number of additional dead.
Yes. Those are also facts. They do not change the one you left out. The average is 50%. There has obviously been escalation above the average from being below it. That was not my comment. 60 from 50 isn't as much of a difference than I'd expected. This all looks so terrible. But apparently that's the norm
50% to 60% is an increase of 20% which is pretty large.
It's a 20% increase and 10% of the total, which is massive.
Dude.. you would think based on the news it was 99% total, or 500x the norm. I haven't even heard of a militant killed in months. So maybe 1.2x sounds right to you. Based on the media I consume, I expected literally 3 to 5x if not exponentially more.
I'd love to be so cynical as you, to see a 20% increase in civillian casualties in a region famous for collateral damage, and go "huh that's not so much, nothing is happening". Some people need to learn empathy.
I don't understand why people believe them.
When Russia bombed civilian churches, apartments, hospitals, and said they were being used as military command centers and such, nobody believed them, it was an obvious lie.
But when Israel says it the whole world just says "Wow makes perfect sense, good job!"
National Post: Director of a Gaza hospital says clinics were used by Hamas fighters: Ahmed Kahlot tells Israeli interrogators he was recruited into the terror group as a lieutenant colonel
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
The subtext of your message under the context of this thread: "Shooting at civilians is ok, actually". Thank you for further pushing the world into barbarism with this disgusting shit.
The 'subtext' of his message is actually pretty clear, no need to make up something yourself...
Hostages in Gaza killed by Israeli military while carrying white flag
Two Christian women killed by IDF sniper fire, says Latin Patriarchate
UN calls for probe as Israeli army accused of killing unarmed Palestinians
All of these are from the LAST WEEK. Putting so much effort to put into question trust towards doctors because they're denouncing crimes against civilians, just everyone else is denouncing from Gaza right now only serves to muddy the waters in the middle of a genocide.
In a normal war, about 90% of all deaths are civilians, according to the UN last year.
The number of civilian deaths in Gaza is at maximum 60%, but likely significantly lower given Hamas tend to overcount and also methodologically don't distinguish between civilians and Hamas terrorists, of which the IDF claim to have killed more than 8,000.
It's not a genocide. Glad to clear that up for you.
Does the IDF have any proof that 8 thousand dead civilians are actually KHHHHHAMAS?
What's your source for that figure?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/09/civilian-toll-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-unprecedented-killing-study
Wow, if only you could read...
Genocide deniers can read they just lie to your face and Shane you into treating them like they're not the monsters they are
You're sick in the head. Stop denying genocide
So you mean you cannot trust ANY Palestinian doctors? Is that your claim?
Nope. but you can't blindly trust them either, as many of them support or are part of a widely recognized terror organization.
Israel has very good intelligence agencies, they are the ones that can most likely figure out which ones are trustworthy and which are terrorists.
I guess you can't trust me either? I'm not a doctor but I'm Palestinian.
Oh my god, you guys love stuffing words into my mouth. When the fuck did I say anything remotely close to that?
I'm just asking, didn't stuff crap into your mouth.
I'm a random Palestinian on the internet. Do you distrust me?
Currently I neither trust or distrust you. Why do you ask?
Oh no reason at all 😑
This one is the same that soon after said also that confessions were extorted with tortures? Ot he was another one? Hard to keep count given how the IDF is brutalizing medical stuff all over Palestine..
Yes yes it was just torture. Of course, very good faith lmao
Zero photo or video evidence of the "command center" only a testimony of a guy that the IDF 100% tortured which they are known for. Totally not suspicious.
The IDF terrorists kidnapping a hospital director and torturing him into a forced confession is basically expected of them now. Scum of the earth
Why do you hate Jews (the "Scum of the earth" you're referring to) so much that you think they'd torture someone without having ANY evidence of this?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.btselem.org/torture
Yeah dude, totally no evidence Israel uses brutal torture techniques
Looks like they were talking about the IDF specifically. Honest mistake, I'm sure.
If the IDF arrests civilians without disclosing their location to their families or the local authorities or the press, then they can't expect anyone to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of those prisoners is credible.
So wait...are you saying we're supposed to discard this doctor's account because he's a member of Hamas? Wouldn't that mean then that the evidence you shared is untrustworthy and therefore your entire comment is a self-contradiction?