I really can't stand their skewed priorities in contrast to the state of Firefox.
Skewed priorities like trying to make sure that Firefox continues to exist even with the massive amount of competition in the browser space and everything being taken over by chromium. Yeah. Definitely skewed priorities.
you ratiod the shit outta OP
Huh. First time for everything. I don’t think I’ve ever done that before lol.
naah, I like mozilla while they aren't perfect but they are on our side in my opinion
covert monopoly with g**gle
They really just can't get a break. When they take money from Google they get attacked. When they try to create other revenue streams (pocket, vpn, etc.) they get attacked. I don't think you want the browser to be a paid for subscription product and the donations aren't enough to reliably cover browser development.
Maintaining and keeping secure a large standards compliant browser is decidedly expensive. And most of the expenses are not one off they are ongoing.
factually incorrect, they're just paid to have them as the default search engine and they need that money to maintain the browser
also for "see we're not a monopoly, firefox exists!"
which is no fault of firefox
they get paid billions of dollars and all you have to do is switch default search engines win win if you really hate it DONATE TO MOZILLA
I don't see you helping keep the lights on.
can you elaborate?
>goes online
>shitposts
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves
Bad take
Listen, I love what Mozilla stands for, or at least what they claim to stand for. But every time they've been asked to choose between their principles and money, they've chosen money. On the one hand, I kind of don't blame them -- after all, if I was a scrappy broke nonprofit singlehandedly maintaining one of the most complex and fast-moving pieces of software mankind has ever devised, I'd probably take money wherever I could get it too -- but on the other, paying lip service to caring about your users' privacy isn't a good look
paying lip service to caring about your users' privacy isn't a good look
Can you specify how they've sacrificed privacy?
I know recently chrome blocked ublock, which makes me want to stick with FF which still has it.
What did Mozilla do? I'm out of the loop.
I'm mostly thinking of making Google the default search engine and not doing much of anything to stop its data-gathering out of the box (although I will give them credit for the Tracking Protection feature in private windows and not taking active steps to prevent people from protecting their privacy, what the hell Google), integrating the famously-invasive Pocket into the browser with no obvious way to remove it, and creating a new paid-exclusive AI help chatbot for web deevelopers that's just ChatGPT in a trenchcoat
Admittedly Mozilla's track record is light years better than any of the other software companies out there, and I won't begrudge them taking Google money in order to survive, but...
Are you really complaining for the default search engine? Wtf just change it.
Mozzilla really needs the money to stay afloat, just don't use Google if you don't want to.
It takes nearly as long to decrapify a new Firefox install as it does to compile Librewolf.
Install uBlock.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Disable "sponsored" stories. AKA, listicles designed to draw in idiots who want to see which 8 child actors from the 90s turned out to be the tallest. Alarmingly close to the tacky crap that you might see on a fresh Windows install.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Now disable Pocket. Remembering to go into about:config to really disable it
Disable telemetry.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Remove Amazon, Bing, et al. from the search engine list.
Remove "suggested" and "sponsored" autocomplete.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Remind yourself that, despite this crap, Firefox is still a better browser than any Chromium knockoff.
sorry but disabling telemetry is the worst thing you can do if you care about firefox growing and fixing issues.
Sync between mobile and Firefox is good though. Sadly I use Samsung Internet on Android because I think it's better, but when I used Firefox on both it was really good. I can still use KDE Connect to send the link to my clipboard, but it doesn't always connect (after a reboot) automatically.
Samsung internet is chromium and often out of date. On Android, use Fennec or Mull (both firefox based, mull is the best security*/privacy android browser)
It's not a bad thing that Firefox is doing little things to attract a broader audience, luckily you don't set it up very often and sync is there to use.
except it is like making it so things can just download without asking so you can go to a webpage and it just downloads stuff automatically which is really insecure but hey chrome does it that way so mozilla just oh so obviously has to copy them yeah you can fix it but that should in no way be the default
Change it so it asks where to download files and this stops, it's the better option anyway, just less basic user friendly.
Sometimes this doesn't work though. I use Firefox at work, but I'm required to use Google Drive, and any pdf from Drive will automatically download to my default download location without prompting me. This may not be Mozilla's fault, but it's shitty that any site can just choose to ignore my preferences.
I have a similar problem on Android with forcing pinch to zoom. Sites can and do use code to forcibly resist this accessibility setting. Like, a lot of sites.
Firefox users will do all that and then wonder why Google is Mozilla's sole source of income.
What does "really disable it" mean? How is removing the button from the toolbar different from disabling it in about:config?
What about Palemoon? Or epiphany which is pretty decent if you enable extensions support via gsettings and use /etc/hosts for blocking ads for better performance?
Setting up arkenwolf once takes half an hour, and from then on you can just copy and paste it and update it every 3.000 years.
tf happened
Twenty years of constant grinding mistreatment of a once-enthusiastic userbase.
huh?
What??
So what's up with moizlla?
Edit: of course I meant Mozilla. The company behind Firefox and Thunderbird.
I have been using this browser primarily or exclusively since before it was called Firefox. I can't tell you the earliest version I still have an installer for, because neither Wine nor Windows will run it. It remains the best option - by a long shot - but not because it's getting any better.
There is no reason why a "privacy focused browser" should have clickbate news stories on their front page.
You can easily remove them. Mozilla isn't a for profit company, but they need to have money to run somehow. Dunno if you've seen Chrome lately but it's 1000x worse.
Am i missing something?
It's not like it used to be. Even thunderbird has had tons of great work put into it. If you're ever sick of using weird stuff like palemoon you should see for yourself. All the extensions I liked are back.
Skewed priorities like trying to make sure that Firefox continues to exist even with the massive amount of competition in the browser space and everything being taken over by chromium. Yeah. Definitely skewed priorities.
you ratiod the shit outta OP
Huh. First time for everything. I don’t think I’ve ever done that before lol.
naah, I like mozilla while they aren't perfect but they are on our side in my opinion
covert monopoly with g**gle
They really just can't get a break. When they take money from Google they get attacked. When they try to create other revenue streams (pocket, vpn, etc.) they get attacked. I don't think you want the browser to be a paid for subscription product and the donations aren't enough to reliably cover browser development.
Maintaining and keeping secure a large standards compliant browser is decidedly expensive. And most of the expenses are not one off they are ongoing.
factually incorrect, they're just paid to have them as the default search engine and they need that money to maintain the browser
also for "see we're not a monopoly, firefox exists!"
which is no fault of firefox
they get paid billions of dollars and all you have to do is switch default search engines win win if you really hate it DONATE TO MOZILLA
I don't see you helping keep the lights on.
can you elaborate?
>goes online
>shitposts
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves
Bad take
Listen, I love what Mozilla stands for, or at least what they claim to stand for. But every time they've been asked to choose between their principles and money, they've chosen money. On the one hand, I kind of don't blame them -- after all, if I was a scrappy broke nonprofit singlehandedly maintaining one of the most complex and fast-moving pieces of software mankind has ever devised, I'd probably take money wherever I could get it too -- but on the other, paying lip service to caring about your users' privacy isn't a good look
Can you specify how they've sacrificed privacy?
I know recently chrome blocked ublock, which makes me want to stick with FF which still has it.
What did Mozilla do? I'm out of the loop.
I'm mostly thinking of making Google the default search engine and not doing much of anything to stop its data-gathering out of the box (although I will give them credit for the Tracking Protection feature in private windows and not taking active steps to prevent people from protecting their privacy, what the hell Google), integrating the famously-invasive Pocket into the browser with no obvious way to remove it, and creating a new paid-exclusive AI help chatbot for web deevelopers that's just ChatGPT in a trenchcoat
Admittedly Mozilla's track record is light years better than any of the other software companies out there, and I won't begrudge them taking Google money in order to survive, but...
Are you really complaining for the default search engine? Wtf just change it. Mozzilla really needs the money to stay afloat, just don't use Google if you don't want to.
It takes nearly as long to decrapify a new Firefox install as it does to compile Librewolf.
Install uBlock.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Disable "sponsored" stories. AKA, listicles designed to draw in idiots who want to see which 8 child actors from the 90s turned out to be the tallest. Alarmingly close to the tacky crap that you might see on a fresh Windows install.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Now disable Pocket. Remembering to go into about:config to really disable it
Disable telemetry.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Remove Amazon, Bing, et al. from the search engine list.
Remove "suggested" and "sponsored" autocomplete.
Tell Firefox that you don't want to sync at the moment.
Remind yourself that, despite this crap, Firefox is still a better browser than any Chromium knockoff.
sorry but disabling telemetry is the worst thing you can do if you care about firefox growing and fixing issues.
Sync between mobile and Firefox is good though. Sadly I use Samsung Internet on Android because I think it's better, but when I used Firefox on both it was really good. I can still use KDE Connect to send the link to my clipboard, but it doesn't always connect (after a reboot) automatically.
Samsung internet is chromium and often out of date. On Android, use Fennec or Mull (both firefox based, mull is the best security*/privacy android browser)
It's not a bad thing that Firefox is doing little things to attract a broader audience, luckily you don't set it up very often and sync is there to use.
except it is like making it so things can just download without asking so you can go to a webpage and it just downloads stuff automatically which is really insecure but hey chrome does it that way so mozilla just oh so obviously has to copy them yeah you can fix it but that should in no way be the default
Change it so it asks where to download files and this stops, it's the better option anyway, just less basic user friendly.
Sometimes this doesn't work though. I use Firefox at work, but I'm required to use Google Drive, and any pdf from Drive will automatically download to my default download location without prompting me. This may not be Mozilla's fault, but it's shitty that any site can just choose to ignore my preferences.
I have a similar problem on Android with forcing pinch to zoom. Sites can and do use code to forcibly resist this accessibility setting. Like, a lot of sites.
Firefox users will do all that and then wonder why Google is Mozilla's sole source of income.
What does "really disable it" mean? How is removing the button from the toolbar different from disabling it in
about:config?What about Palemoon? Or epiphany which is pretty decent if you enable extensions support via gsettings and use /etc/hosts for blocking ads for better performance?
Setting up arkenwolf once takes half an hour, and from then on you can just copy and paste it and update it every 3.000 years.
tf happened
Twenty years of constant grinding mistreatment of a once-enthusiastic userbase.
huh?
What??
So what's up with moizlla?
Edit: of course I meant Mozilla. The company behind Firefox and Thunderbird.
So what’s up with moizlla?
Firefox is wonderful. Mozilla is a fucking mess.
I have been using this browser primarily or exclusively since before it was called Firefox. I can't tell you the earliest version I still have an installer for, because neither Wine nor Windows will run it. It remains the best option - by a long shot - but not because it's getting any better.
The time to burn the bird again was a decade ago.
oh so you use Chrome
Librewolf
Yes. Much stronger/safer.
The firefox derivative?
There is no reason why a "privacy focused browser" should have clickbate news stories on their front page.
You can easily remove them. Mozilla isn't a for profit company, but they need to have money to run somehow. Dunno if you've seen Chrome lately but it's 1000x worse.
Am i missing something?
It's not like it used to be. Even thunderbird has had tons of great work put into it. If you're ever sick of using weird stuff like palemoon you should see for yourself. All the extensions I liked are back.