More anti-Lemmy brigading with massive upvotes on Reddit as the 3rd party app apocalypse looms

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Guess where? Unironically r/Save3rdPartyApps

The Reddit search for Lemmy also gives these privacy copy-pasta as top results when searching for Lemmy. I'm still betting that Reddit employees are involved in boosting these posts.

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Don’t go to Lemmy it’s founders are bad. Conveniently ignores the Reddit CEO who is actively lying and user hostile.

I'll take the Lemmy founders over Spez any day. The founders like china, Spez likes slavery and jailbait, and has a doomsday fetish

I'm still not sure why would anyone expect privacy on a distributed public forum and how would this even work.

This has been resolved: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/commit/206789af67e4b75ec45b3434641ce16ab899c238

Even if it's fixed, there's nothing stopping anyone from running an instance with the delete functions turned off. Or making their own app that mingles with ActivityPub and uses federation to scrape data.

If you're worried about that, then you're worried about the internet as a whole.

I'm not worried about it. The "Legal" page of my Lemmy instance even spells out that anything posted on it is likely permanent.

I'm just pointing out that the issue being fixed doesn't necessarily mean it isn't still a concern to someone.

Whatever you think of the developers' politics, the fact is that it's federated and open source. So if you don't like the politics of an instance you don't have to use that instance. And if you administer an instance and you don't like the content from another instance, you can defederate from that other instance. If the code has issues (which anyway are very seldom political) anyone can contribute a fix. And if the developers start taking the code in a direction you don't approve of, you can fork the project and start a new version.

Given all this, the stuff about the politics of the developers just seems like an attempt to spread FUD.

I took a quick look at the developer's commentary on that, where he refuted the claims and also pointed out exactly this. His politics are irrelevant to the users of an open source platform. I didn't see any reason not to support the project on Patreon. I would rather have a wild west full of varied ideas and characters rather than a corporate pack of monopolies, that we know are evil.

Reddit is working it’s way through: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. At first, Lemmy didn’t matter. Nothing had any financial impact on them. Now we move on to anger.

Can't wait for the beginning of the bargaining phase on like July 2. :)

They conveniently leave out the fact that the people that develop Lemmy have no say in how it’s used. That’s kind of the point of the fediverse. And it’s open source, so if they go off the rails, someone else can pick it up.

Who cares. Do we really want people who buy into this sort of stuff here?

There was some news years back that compared data collection of apps on iOS (when Apple was taking measures to limit FB) and Reddit's official app was found to be even worse than the FB app.

Oh no someone has a political opinion i disagree with! Please brush over the fact spez posted CP when Reddit was just starting.

If you're referring to r/jailbait, that was there for years, well after reddit was just starting. It was even a promoted sub!

The great thing about Lemmy is that you can pop up your own instance to be pro or anti anything you want, and no one can stop you (except your VPS provider). Why do they ignore this and focus on personal attacks, when their project is giving power to those who may disagree with them.

No one cares about reddit anymore.

A lot of people still care about reddit

It's pretty hard to let go of a community you spent years on

Meh. I was there 15 years. I'm not missing anything by being here instead. Heck, I feel like here is the more exciting place to be!

Yeah this place is pretty new and it really does feel nice here (mostly) but I participated a lot in some of the communities I took part in. And those were usually helping newer people in those spaces. It's pretty fun teaching people about new hobbies and also being that newbie.

It's kinda sad to me seeing what Reddit is doing, but also refreshing seeing these new places popping up.

I'm going to do what I can here, but I think I will miss it at times.

Makes it easier when you realize you spent years in an abusive relationship and were too young and dumb to realize it.

But one will become a lot easier when the spam bots take over, Reddit shoves more ads down your throat and posts by crazy people don’t get deleted. Welcome to the new Reddit experience.

No one goes to that restaurant, its always too busy

Welcome to a new echo chamber. No one hear cares, but probably a fraction of one percent of reddit moved (so far).

A search for “raddle vs lemmy” also turns up a very spicy post from a couple weeks ago (on raddle) regarding one of Lemmy’s creators, not sure what to make of it personally.

edit: Oh sorry, here is the link to what I mentioned.

I've gotten to old and busy to give two shits about someone's background as long as it's not pushed in my face.

If I come across racist, homophobic, warmongering, outright Nazi or tankie stuff among many other things, I simply block the person/community and move on with my life.

I'm not knowledgeable enough on the software to respond to these claims, but the great thing about open source software is that you can raise these as issue on Github and they can be fixed.

that link is a steaming pile of screeching stupidity and circle-je***ing. I... I just have no words.

I've noticed most people who make foss software are either communists or libertarians. I don't really care about their political views because they are giving away free shit for not much in return and you have to be a little nutty to do that. If it bothers people they can use kbin. The cool thing about the fediverse is have more choices.

Good grief that was an intense read through.

Definitely seems like the creators are some real pieces of shit. But being open sourced means anyone can fork Lemmy anytime and make changes to the code. So if the creators mess with the code, people can just jump ship to a different fork. The integration with activitypub should make that pretty doable.

So if the creators mess with the code, people can just jump ship to a different fork.

agreed. a reddit clone atop activitypub seems to be an uneasy, but workable fit. there are many areas to improve upon, including baking in more privacy by default and solidifying the best use of the underlying protocol.

with any code from anyone, vigilance is required to ensure that the tool remains neutral. diversion from that means its fork time. the social interactions on the network appear to be "evening out" and, while some may call that gentrification, I think a social mix is required for success.

as of yet, I have not seen any sound technical argument put forward -- apart from those related to the relative nascent state of the project -- to put me off of it. should that change, then decisions will need to be made.

bottom line... political alignment (and even extremism) of anyone involved in the technical development process is mostly irrelevant when the social network is so much bigger than any person.

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Reddit wouldn't be doing its duty to stakeholders if it didn't defame Lemmy or any other competitor.

I wouldn't call 1000 upvotes massive. That's miniscule on Reddit. I've received 6 times that much on single sentence comments before. If you post something at the right time it's basically guaranteed to get thousands of upvotes. People there will upvote anything.

I can't edit my reply for some reason, but it's hilarious that they're trying to make a case for privacy, as if Reddit has ever done anything besides aggregate your data and sell it to the highest bidder.