More people from China seeking asylum at US border

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A weakening economy and increasing political repression are forcing ever more Chinese people to emigrate. Spurred by TikTok, many are seeking more sustainable conditions in the United States.

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To hear it told some places here on Lemmy, you'd be surprised a single person would leave China.

To be fair, Lemmy was founded by tankies. That's to be expected.

Most Americans are trying to get their children into schools in China so they can move there long term. Chinese people are migrating to North Korea but it's hard for Americans to get visas there.

Edit: for the people who seem to be misunderstanding me, I want to be quite clear. Practically every American would move to North Korea to enjoy advanced society, peaceful and prosperous, if they could, only they don't meet the strict criteria for a visa. There are a small and ever-shrinking handful who would stay in America given the chance to emigrate, but they're either hard-line idealists who believe in the long-term rehabilitation of their country, or deluded. Most of the major demographics surveys have confirmed this, and any media that disputes it is already known to be carefully overseen by anti-humanitarian pseudo-state-funded conspirators.

Most Americans are trying to get their children into schools in China

lol wut? I've not met a single person trying to get their kids into schools in China. All the people I know who have immigrated from China are like "fuck that place, but I love going back because it's my home and my family is there."

Nope, it's been stated, so it's a fact here. You are just in your own tiny bubble of people who don't want to live in China.

Fuck man, the bubble has followed me up and down the eastern seaboard and all the way to Texas and back. How do I get out?

That bubble also includes everywhere I have been which covers a good chunk of the west coast, southwest, and northeast. Where are these people that want to move to China? I think the only spots we haven’t covered is like Alabama and Oklahoma? So maybe they are there?

They're all the people you haven't talked to. Practically every American. You've probably not even talked to 1% of Americans seriously about whether they want to move to China. Idk man, you're just bad at statistics or something.

*Disclaimer: I have never been to America but I'm sure I'm right.

I realize you're being facetious, but you make an interesting point. That being said, I can recall having conversations about people wanting to move to many different states (ca, ma, co, tx, fl, hi, at least). And I've even heard people talk about wanting to move to different countries (india, Spain, Ireland, Germany, Brazil, at least) and I've never heard anyone say they want to move to China. I've had 3 close coworkers from China and asking them if they want to move back to China, they all laughed at the idea and essentially said "fuck no." My Indian colleagues seem to be mixed on the idea of returning to their homeland.

People who have experienced various other countries want to settle in the US. People here who haven't been elsewhere, idolize the idea of X country and post about wishing they could go, knowing deep down they wouldn't even if they won the lottery and could go anywhere.

So, I was telling the truth when I said I've never been to America; but I have lived in Asia and most people I know would gladly move to America if they had the chance. They love their homeland - some of them, at least! But "America" or similar sounds like a better life, and who doesn't want a better life? Unfortunately there's a lot of feeling of hopelessness about improving things, so even those who try to improve their home area easily burn out and often skip out if they can.

Many Westerners (orders of magnitude fewer) do want Asian visas, but mostly only because they have specific desire to help. Again, they love the Asian country they move to, but it's usually with the idea in the back of their minds that they can move back home when the time is right or if they need to. I can't speak for those who stay in Asia because they're disillusioned with their home country: such people are around but I don't often meet them.

Remember what Disney taught you. "Just Believe!" When you believe, it'll be true, and all the occasional people you meet who aren't heading to China will be unusual outliers.

Listen to your feelings. You know it to be true. Everyone wants to move to China. Just Believe!

….Would move to North Korea to enjoy ‘Advanced Society’…. 🤣

lol no they're not. North Korea is like a real-life SNL skit and China's population and real estate will implode in a couple decades. You can't even tell what's sarcasm anymore because after Trump told them it's okay, the stupid people are coming out in hordes.

Well, luckily I've never met this Trump, so any stupid in me is my own bona fide stupid :-p

Are... Are you sure you're not itching to go to North Korea? Perhaps you're just in denial? I mean, I've not been there myself but people keep saying we should look out for Korea opportunities, and I have this low, ominous feeling about going South, so I think NK must be good.

Besides, I saw SNL once and it was funny. Sounds like an endorsement from you for NK!

Do you have a source for that? I've heard of folks being sent to China for a work appointment, and therefore looking for schools for their kids, but never Americans just straight up moving there to make a go of it, and place their kids

Edit and I assume when you say "most Americans" you mean "most Americans already interested in living in China" not "most Americans" because the latter would be a comical statement.

because the latter would be a comical statement.

I mean the latter.

You'll need a source for that then.

the latter would be a comical statement.

Source: I thought someone would laugh

Excellent satire. It took a minute for me to be sure you were joking there, but strict visa requirements in an advanced NK gave it away

Most Americans are trying to get their children into schools in China so they can move there long term.

I have a bit of a hard time believing that. Where did you hear this?

They hear it whenever they put their head up their ass. It's actually just digestive noises, but this neanderthal interprets it however they want.

Thank you, but I can hear my digestive noises quite fine without warping time and space to bend my anterior to my posterior.

And those digestive noises do say, that every American desires a better life in North Korea, but will settle for China as second best. Don't your digestive noises say the same thing?

Where did you hear this?

Somewhere sandwiched between a \ and a \

I thought the tone of the thread above made the irony clear, but apparently everyone took me seriously.

Well fuck. I blame hexbear and lemmygrad for thinking you were serious lol.

It was clear. Respect to your commitment to the bit in the edit. A lesser person would have backed away instead of doubling down.

I love advanced societies that use wood gas to power decades-old trucks

The bravery and determination of these people is mind-blowing. I feel so lazy in comparison.

Being lazy is a privilege

Of course it is. I never said otherwise.

I'm guessing they're trying to say that you don't need to feel bad for having privileges that others don't. Acknowledge, yes, but you didn't choose the circumstances you were born into.

Good! The more immigration the better!

I only wish we could have a stipulation that additional immigrants must live outside of major cities, so they can help revitalize America's dying towns.

Ooh, interesting immigration policy: you can immigrate, but only to a rural area.

Rural America is better than a lot of places in the world.

I'm sure many immigrants would be ecstatic to have the opportunity.

I live in a rural town (1 hour+ drive in any drection to the next town) and I could see this being a good thing if implemented correctly. This town isn't equipped for an influx of any people, but has vacant lots that could be turned into a variety of housing. There aren't a lot of jobs, but I would think more people would mean more things could be offered. Potentially great way to invest in rural areas!

Heck yeah! Remember, the alternative would be these immigrants being unable to immigrate to the US!

If they would prefer to stay outside of the US rather than live in rural America, nobody is forcing them to come!

I think we should force you to live in South Dakota, since it needs a little revitalizing.

Seeing two of your comments now, I feel you have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about immigrants being forced to live places?

Care to share more? I don't mean to pre-judge you, I just feel there's more behind your feelings on the matter than I understand yet.

How about, and this might be a little crazy, not forcing people to live somewhere?

You're right. They can just stay in their current nations if they don't want to move to rural America.

I think forcing immigrants to live in bumfuck nowhere places because you like those places is stupid. You don't even have an actual argument for it. I think metal music and manual cars should be more popular, so let's force immigrants to only listen to metal and only drive manual vehicles lol.

Are you also gonna claim that you're pro-freedom and pro-small government while forcing people to live in your backwater hometown?

You still can't comprehend what you are reading and I'm done repeating myself.

Goodbye.

The level of dialog I expect from a hillbilly smh

I was being genuine and said nothing about forcing people. It's an option to consider, but not one you will see when you lack compassion.

I imagine they would; alas it gets a lot more complicated than that.

I'd like to see a renewed love for rural places generally, and especially in the developing world. There's so much potential there that I feel most people don't see.

What better way to open people’s eyes to the beauty of X, than to force X upon them!

Okay I saw this and first thought it was a reply to another thread about XWindows and exTwitter.

I'd like to see a renewed love of rural places - not by forcing people to live there.

But in this thread's hypothetical of immigration to rural parts, there's a difference that it's an invitation: you're invited to come to our country to live in certain areas. It's only "forcing X" if you think you're already entitled to immigrate.

Like, easing immigration for "skilled workers" isn't forcing anyone to be a "skilled worker".

People having to live in certain places aren’t being offered immigration. Immigration means becoming a citizen. Citizens of the United States are free.

That's a fair, and important point, I think. Though I only half agree. Gaining residency also counts as immigration, does it not? At least it's a step in the way to full residency; and those steps do come with a limited freedom.

The most beautiful and vital thing about America is freedom. If you cut that down, like by forcing people to live in a particular place, to revitalize something else, you’ve gone downhill.

I think most will agree immigration is good, but this "let's let everyone in!" mentality is dangerous. China is not our friend...we need to be vetting these people, making sure that everyone who's trying to get in are properly screened.

I don't agree with "letting everyone in."

I agree with expanding immigration limits and making it easier for people to immigrate.

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the article is veeery vague as to what "more" means, no actual data.

it tells the dramatized story of one person. why would a chinese travel all the way to the us when asia has plenty of countries to go to for a fraction of the cost?

also isnt china still seeing unprecedented growth? this article smells funny...

the article is veeery vague as to what "more" means, no actual data.

From the article:

"From October through January, US Border Patrol agents registered about 19,000 illegal Chinese entries. During the same period in 2021, while pandemic restrictions were still in place, only 55 were registered. "

Sounds like more to me

Pandemic and non-pandemic is not a good comparison, specifically for those mentioned restrictions... they note it's the fastest growing group but link that statement to another article about Mexican migration, which had no Chinese info I saw.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The skin beneath Guo's pant leg is rubbed raw and, despite the bitter cold, he's only wearing dusty plastic sandals.

The remainder of his trek was via land, taking him through the Darien Gap, a densely overgrown rainforest that leads from Colombia into Panama.

From there, he ultimately arrived in Jacumba Hot Springs, a tiny California town of 600 residents located about 125 kilometers (75 miles) east of downtown San Diego.

Guo sat with his legs curled up in his arms on a plastic tarp he had laid on the ground to fight the cold of the desert morning.

Social media channels on video and messaging platforms display the best routes for getting into the US, giving step-by-step instructions, suggesting various modes of transportation, and even listing how much border patrol agents expect to be bribed in each country along the way.

The phenomenon of Chinese people entering the United States via the southern border has come to be described by the term "Zouxian," which can roughly be translated as "take the risk."

The original article contains 867 words, the summary contains 171 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

havent we caught like 2 or 3 chinese american spies recently ?

Yea, but Lemmy is becoming like Reddit...hardcore liberal... "let everyone in, who cares!"

The fediverse is way left of reddit. There's a lot of tankies here.

The Chinese people need our support, can we open up the flood gate and fly them in!