I miss the days when antivaxxers were just a source of amusement, like flat earthers. Now they seem to be everywhere and it's just sad.
It was never amusing. Earlier it was "only" kids dying of the measles because their dumbass parents were antivaxxers. With COVID-19, it started affecting adults so that's why they get more attention. The public seems to be better able to tolerate children dying of preventable shit than adults.
It was way less children than Covid has killed.
And it wasn't like nobody cared, those parents had to go out of their way to not vaccinate their children.
Do want another level of insanity? Here in Germany, we got the news today that WEATHER TV persons get harrased by people that think there is no climate change and its just propaganda.
There was a meteorologist in the US, in Nebraska iirc, that resigned a couple of months ago after receiving death threats for daring to mention climate change during his weather report. They're fucking unhinged.
In France, on one of the main channels (the public TV, something like 5 or 6 channels, one of which is 24h news), the weather is now called "climate news" and addresses frontally climate stuff, with a link where you can send questions that they answer on air (whether what they answer are real questions or not is left as an exercise to the reader).
Of course that ruffled some feathers with the lunatic fringe, but they stuck with it, which is nice.
That's pretty cool.
Polarized. Two nearly identical people can easily be convinced to hate each other over all sorts of silly nonsense because of what media they choose to consume.
Nah, if you're so unhinged that you're making death threats simply because someone referenced objective and observable scientific facts that your warped fairy tale reality doesn't let you accept, there's no "once you cut through all your regressive, batshit beliefs, we're really the same". There's no reasoning with them because the delusion (e.g. "owning the libs") is their whole identity.
Thank you for the example of someone dehumanizing other people.
How's the view from your high horse?
I've learned that trying to take the high road with people that revel in bigotry and corruption is a fruitless endeavor. I'm done being naive and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps that's because I live in the real world and actually deal with these people, rather than the pontificating about the intellectual concept of these people.
You are interesting.
Go ahead and doubledown on hatred.
Thanks.
Have a great day!
Speaking of interesting, you should read up on the paradox of tolerance. It's very enlightening stuff! Thanks for sharing your perspective!
You should learn empathy.
You should learn the difference between lacking empathy and reserving it for people that aren't bigots.
Just because someone's against THIS "vaccine" doesn't mean they are an 'antivaxxer'. Lumping everyone together for one view is dangerous.
Yes it does.
There is literally nothing of substance behind the claims that "this one is different" it's the exact same argument from the exact same unreliable sources. Literally the ONLY difference is that this vaccine was made controversal by American politics.
If you are against the covid vaccine then you are an anti-vaxxer, whether you realize it or not.
That's not strictly true.
This was the first FDA-approved mRNA vaccine, so it is "different".
I imagine you're not actually against the Vaccine, just pointing out the factual truth that it is indeed different then prior vaccines, however that doesn't on it's own make it unsafe.
I never said (or even implied) it was less safe, only that saying it's no different than previous vaccines is not true.
You're putting words in my mouth
I agreed with you?
Even said, "I imagine you're not against the vaccine" because you were getting down voted because people are weird about facts that sound like something a nut would say even if factually true.
You're technically correct so I don't understand the downvotes, you most obviously didn't imply anything else.
Love the mrna technology, went out of my way to get vaccinated during pregnancy (because Germany was a bit slow with that), literally worked on Covid, Anti-Covid meds and mRNA in the lab, and you'll have my upvote. You're the best kind of correct after all. Don't get discouraged.
Most people here do not have fully functioning brains and cannot distinguish someone being correct from someone blathering nonsense.
Upvotes and downvotes are purely based on whether or not your vibes match their expectations.
The thing is, there are several vaccines for covid available worldwide.
I've never heard an anti-"THIS"-vaccine person ever say "I just don't want to use mRNA so I want the J&J vaccine" or anything of that nature.
All I ever heard was lies, pretending covid wasn't severe or that ivermectin is a protective or that there's 5G magnetism in the vaccine.
I miss the days when antivaxxers were just a source of amusement, like flat earthers. Now they seem to be everywhere and it's just sad.
It was never amusing. Earlier it was "only" kids dying of the measles because their dumbass parents were antivaxxers. With COVID-19, it started affecting adults so that's why they get more attention. The public seems to be better able to tolerate children dying of preventable shit than adults.
It was way less children than Covid has killed.
And it wasn't like nobody cared, those parents had to go out of their way to not vaccinate their children.
Do want another level of insanity? Here in Germany, we got the news today that WEATHER TV persons get harrased by people that think there is no climate change and its just propaganda.
There was a meteorologist in the US, in Nebraska iirc, that resigned a couple of months ago after receiving death threats for daring to mention climate change during his weather report. They're fucking unhinged.
In France, on one of the main channels (the public TV, something like 5 or 6 channels, one of which is 24h news), the weather is now called "climate news" and addresses frontally climate stuff, with a link where you can send questions that they answer on air (whether what they answer are real questions or not is left as an exercise to the reader).
Of course that ruffled some feathers with the lunatic fringe, but they stuck with it, which is nice.
That's pretty cool.
Polarized. Two nearly identical people can easily be convinced to hate each other over all sorts of silly nonsense because of what media they choose to consume.
Nah, if you're so unhinged that you're making death threats simply because someone referenced objective and observable scientific facts that your warped fairy tale reality doesn't let you accept, there's no "once you cut through all your regressive, batshit beliefs, we're really the same". There's no reasoning with them because the delusion (e.g. "owning the libs") is their whole identity.
Thank you for the example of someone dehumanizing other people.
How's the view from your high horse?
I've learned that trying to take the high road with people that revel in bigotry and corruption is a fruitless endeavor. I'm done being naive and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps that's because I live in the real world and actually deal with these people, rather than the pontificating about the intellectual concept of these people.
You are interesting. Go ahead and doubledown on hatred. Thanks. Have a great day!
Speaking of interesting, you should read up on the paradox of tolerance. It's very enlightening stuff! Thanks for sharing your perspective!
You should learn empathy.
You should learn the difference between lacking empathy and reserving it for people that aren't bigots.
Some weather people have shown a spherical Earth instead of a disc! Heathens!
Oh that’s been going on everywhere for a while.
For most people, the TV weatherman is legit the only scientist they know. Of course they’re gonna take it out on them.
That's just any day ending with the letter y in parts of America, must notably in Florida.
Oh please please do you have a link or a name that i can google?
Just because someone's against THIS "vaccine" doesn't mean they are an 'antivaxxer'. Lumping everyone together for one view is dangerous.
Yes it does.
There is literally nothing of substance behind the claims that "this one is different" it's the exact same argument from the exact same unreliable sources. Literally the ONLY difference is that this vaccine was made controversal by American politics.
If you are against the covid vaccine then you are an anti-vaxxer, whether you realize it or not.
That's not strictly true.
This was the first FDA-approved mRNA vaccine, so it is "different".
Source
Technically correct, but that doesn't mean it's any less safe by all accounts.
https://www.vumc.org/viiii/infographics/how-does-mrna-vaccine-compare-traditional-vaccine
https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/what_makes_an_rna_vaccine_different_from_a_conventional_vaccine
https://healthcare.utah.edu/coronavirus/vaccine/mrna-vaccine
I imagine you're not actually against the Vaccine, just pointing out the factual truth that it is indeed different then prior vaccines, however that doesn't on it's own make it unsafe.
I never said (or even implied) it was less safe, only that saying it's no different than previous vaccines is not true.
You're putting words in my mouth
I agreed with you?
Even said, "I imagine you're not against the vaccine" because you were getting down voted because people are weird about facts that sound like something a nut would say even if factually true.
You're technically correct so I don't understand the downvotes, you most obviously didn't imply anything else. Love the mrna technology, went out of my way to get vaccinated during pregnancy (because Germany was a bit slow with that), literally worked on Covid, Anti-Covid meds and mRNA in the lab, and you'll have my upvote. You're the best kind of correct after all. Don't get discouraged.
Most people here do not have fully functioning brains and cannot distinguish someone being correct from someone blathering nonsense.
Upvotes and downvotes are purely based on whether or not your vibes match their expectations.
The thing is, there are several vaccines for covid available worldwide.
I've never heard an anti-"THIS"-vaccine person ever say "I just don't want to use mRNA so I want the J&J vaccine" or anything of that nature.
All I ever heard was lies, pretending covid wasn't severe or that ivermectin is a protective or that there's 5G magnetism in the vaccine.