What is up with Newsome vetoing all this shit suddenly?
Presumably getting ready to launch his own presidential bid, so he needs to court the center by appearing more moderate.
Or the opposing side trying to make him look bad. California still sets the standards for a lot of rules that we'd be better off with the rest of the country copying.
Yeah honestly it seems like a targeted media blitz more than anything. If you read the actual article, most of his vetos are done for very good reasons - but they're all being posted with reductive headlines
Teens having Kids cost more than condoms
Frankly, when I was in high school - cost was never the issue in whether a couple used condoms, and even in my relatively conservative area, there were local programs that would give out free condoms if you cared enough to look
Better sex education would go a much longer way imo - because even in California our sex Ed (this was like a decade ago, so maybe it's changed) was full of "abstinence only" garbage - thankfully the teachers were usually smart enough to go off book and give realistic advice/answers
if you cared enough to look
Big if. To me it seems worthwhile to have them easily accessible so that teens would be carrying them around. Limits the amount of pre-planning needed
My wife grew up.in California and they didn't even teach sex ed.in high school. We need tobtake back out schools from these Christian crazies who ruined sex.ed and want to take away our books
Buying them isn't an issue. Getting kids to actually use them is what matters.
Some stores won't sell to people under 18, even when there's no law requiring them to (I don't k.ow of a place that does) and that requires money, something in short supply if you're a teen
Funny story. I remember years ago having a girlfriend when I was 25, and we are staying with my parents, who live in a small town for a few days. We went to buy some condoms one day, and we found that none of the mini marts nearby carried any sort of contraceptives at all.
I remember asking the clerk, who was younger than me, and he acted incredulous that anybody would need a condom. In a city of 25,000 people.
What was the cost associated with banning caste discrimination and decriminalizing mushrooms?
The caste one he argued that there are already laws in place that cover it, and that what we need instead is to increase education about these existing laws and how they can be used to prevent caste discrimination. There is no point in creating another law that does the exact same thing as existing anti discrimination laws.
For decriminalizing mushrooms he argued that the bill doesn't actually include any provisions for how the medical usage can be implemented or how the required infrastructure can be put in place. When CA was medical only for weed it was frankly a shit show for a long while because it was highly unclear what was actually allowed and what wasn't, he didn't want a repeat.
Whether you agree with either of those arguments is an entirely different question, but the titles of been seeing make it seem like he's just shooting them down for fun - hence my suspicion that this is astroturfing.
One of two things is true - either over the last week he's inexplicably gotten a ton of really controversial bills crossing his desk that are all more newsworthy than anything else over the last few years, and he vetoed every single one. Or half-assed bills like these pass this desk all the time and get vetoed pending better solutions, and they're only now getting overblown coverage as part of a smear campaign. Frankly the latter seems more likely
This never actually works. The Democratic party is a center eight party that only looks left.because the oteht major party are fucking crazy terrorists
The CA legislature passed a buttload of bills right before adjourning, so he's working his way through them now. Plus, CA has a budget deficit, so stuff that costs money has to be more carefully considered - free condoms are a worthwhile thing, but then the question becomes what do you cut instead? It's not always an easy question.
How much do they actually expect these to cost? How about they cancel fireworks at the next sports event. That'd probably cover it
California state government doesn't pay for fireworks.
How much would prohibiting caste discrimination or decriminalizing psilocybin increase the deficit?
That's the wrong question.
"How can this law be exploited." Or "does it make sense to put another law on the books if this is already addressed with existing laws"
If you take the specified reason, then it's explicitly cited as reason #2. But the backlash is manufactured by progressives and exploited by conservatives to incubate in-fighting. Don't fall for it.
"You are forbidden from asking questions we don't like. Those are wrong questions. Being anything shy of worshipful every time your party fails you is working with conservatives because we say so. Now excuse us while we capitulate to conservatives and order you to shut up and be happy about it again."
You're missing the fire for the smoke, and it's sad how easily progressives fall for it every time
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That sounds like a Wrong Question to me.
Well, he said he vetoed the caste discrimination one because it's already covered by existing laws, so they don't need a new one. No clue about the psilocybin. I must have missed that one among the 87 articles about each individual veto that have been posted in the last couple of days.
Well, he said he vetoed the caste discrimination one because it’s already covered by existing laws, so they don’t need a new one
"We don't need laws prohibiting discrimination against [minority]! They're just whining about nothing because our existing laws cover them!"
I must have missed that one among the 87 articles about each individual veto that have been posted in the last couple of days.
A lot of unconvincing excuses to keep straight, huh?
I mean, yeah, if it's already prohibited under an existing law, you generally don't need another one. That's how laws work, and people do a fair amount of work to remove outdated and duplicate laws because it makes everyone's job harder when you have to weed through that.
What is up with Newsome vetoing all this shit suddenly?
Presumably getting ready to launch his own presidential bid, so he needs to court the center by appearing more moderate.
Or the opposing side trying to make him look bad. California still sets the standards for a lot of rules that we'd be better off with the rest of the country copying.
Yeah honestly it seems like a targeted media blitz more than anything. If you read the actual article, most of his vetos are done for very good reasons - but they're all being posted with reductive headlines
Teens having Kids cost more than condoms
Frankly, when I was in high school - cost was never the issue in whether a couple used condoms, and even in my relatively conservative area, there were local programs that would give out free condoms if you cared enough to look
Better sex education would go a much longer way imo - because even in California our sex Ed (this was like a decade ago, so maybe it's changed) was full of "abstinence only" garbage - thankfully the teachers were usually smart enough to go off book and give realistic advice/answers
Big if. To me it seems worthwhile to have them easily accessible so that teens would be carrying them around. Limits the amount of pre-planning needed
My wife grew up.in California and they didn't even teach sex ed.in high school. We need tobtake back out schools from these Christian crazies who ruined sex.ed and want to take away our books
Buying them isn't an issue. Getting kids to actually use them is what matters.
Some stores won't sell to people under 18, even when there's no law requiring them to (I don't k.ow of a place that does) and that requires money, something in short supply if you're a teen
Funny story. I remember years ago having a girlfriend when I was 25, and we are staying with my parents, who live in a small town for a few days. We went to buy some condoms one day, and we found that none of the mini marts nearby carried any sort of contraceptives at all.
I remember asking the clerk, who was younger than me, and he acted incredulous that anybody would need a condom. In a city of 25,000 people.
Luckily, Safeway came to the rescue. Lol
What was the cost associated with banning caste discrimination and decriminalizing mushrooms?
The caste one he argued that there are already laws in place that cover it, and that what we need instead is to increase education about these existing laws and how they can be used to prevent caste discrimination. There is no point in creating another law that does the exact same thing as existing anti discrimination laws.
For decriminalizing mushrooms he argued that the bill doesn't actually include any provisions for how the medical usage can be implemented or how the required infrastructure can be put in place. When CA was medical only for weed it was frankly a shit show for a long while because it was highly unclear what was actually allowed and what wasn't, he didn't want a repeat.
Whether you agree with either of those arguments is an entirely different question, but the titles of been seeing make it seem like he's just shooting them down for fun - hence my suspicion that this is astroturfing.
One of two things is true - either over the last week he's inexplicably gotten a ton of really controversial bills crossing his desk that are all more newsworthy than anything else over the last few years, and he vetoed every single one. Or half-assed bills like these pass this desk all the time and get vetoed pending better solutions, and they're only now getting overblown coverage as part of a smear campaign. Frankly the latter seems more likely
This never actually works. The Democratic party is a center eight party that only looks left.because the oteht major party are fucking crazy terrorists
LOOOOOOOLOLOLOL
The CA legislature passed a buttload of bills right before adjourning, so he's working his way through them now. Plus, CA has a budget deficit, so stuff that costs money has to be more carefully considered - free condoms are a worthwhile thing, but then the question becomes what do you cut instead? It's not always an easy question.
How much do they actually expect these to cost? How about they cancel fireworks at the next sports event. That'd probably cover it
California state government doesn't pay for fireworks.
How much would prohibiting caste discrimination or decriminalizing psilocybin increase the deficit?
That's the wrong question.
"How can this law be exploited." Or "does it make sense to put another law on the books if this is already addressed with existing laws"
If you take the specified reason, then it's explicitly cited as reason #2. But the backlash is manufactured by progressives and exploited by conservatives to incubate in-fighting. Don't fall for it.
"You are forbidden from asking questions we don't like. Those are wrong questions. Being anything shy of worshipful every time your party fails you is working with conservatives because we say so. Now excuse us while we capitulate to conservatives and order you to shut up and be happy about it again."
You're missing the fire for the smoke, and it's sad how easily progressives fall for it every time
That sounds like a Wrong Question to me.
Well, he said he vetoed the caste discrimination one because it's already covered by existing laws, so they don't need a new one. No clue about the psilocybin. I must have missed that one among the 87 articles about each individual veto that have been posted in the last couple of days.
"We don't need laws prohibiting discrimination against [minority]! They're just whining about nothing because our existing laws cover them!"
A lot of unconvincing excuses to keep straight, huh?
I mean, yeah, if it's already prohibited under an existing law, you generally don't need another one. That's how laws work, and people do a fair amount of work to remove outdated and duplicate laws because it makes everyone's job harder when you have to weed through that.