The left hate to be called antisemites, so hand-wring over civilian deaths, but ultimately side with Israel.
Who are these voices on the "left" that you say are supporting Israel?
Biden
Biden is not the left lmao
True, but effectively on the political stage, he is the opposition. Understandable that non-politically online people/normal people call him left.
Agreed but you're splitting hairs. My grandparents who voted for Biden aren't really "the left" either.
My ex who i've convinced to switch sides on this issue but is too afraid to say anything publicly because she doesn't think she knows enough of the history to take a stance isn't really "the left", but she voted Biden too.
Pretty much all of the Democratic leadership except Ilhan Omar.
They're not leftists but they are "the left"
The "viable left" I suppose.
Jeremy Corbyn wasn't that left either, yet you go to one Hamas Terrorist funeral, and suddenly you're a terrorist sympathiser and out come the photos at election time.
Sure, you can be left in the West, but not in a way where you'll get even a sniff of power.
And this is where you accuse anybody right of being a full communist of not being left enough, so we can save ourselves that interaction.
Keir Starmer?
Everything I read about this dude characterizes him as abandoning left wing policy in favor of center, center-right policy.
4th paragraph of his wikipedia page
His leadership has been characterised by movement towards the political centre and abandonment of the left-wing platform of his leadership campaign, as well as by opposition to some of the government response to the COVID-19 pandemic and issues such as Partygate
I just think it's strange for you to insinuate that the position of the left is that of Israel's.
Hamas doing something horrible doesn't make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza though, not everyone inside Gaza is Hamas
Speaking of, Hamas has over 1MM liters of fuel, and ample supplies of fresh water, that they refuse to distribute in Gaza. They also refuse to return hostages, which would also immediately lift the siege.
The reason they stockpiled so much is their tunnel ventilation systems run on generators (which is also the reason Israel is trying to deny them fuel, because tunnel fighting is a nightmare and that's what is coming)
Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza
Terrible thing Hamas is doing
It's not unreasonable to expect an enemy government to feed their people, rather than your country
Hamas doing something horrible doesn’t make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza
I mean we can copy the same comments to another over and over all day if ya want.
I've got 3 hrs til my plane boards
FWIW I'd strongly support a heavily-militarized aid station set up in the south but you know as well as I do that people would still blame Israel for Hamas gunning down people headed south.
Down near the border crossing that Israel keeps bombing?
Yes. Hence "heavily militarized."
You seem to think this crossing is like, a single street. It is not. It's a misleading name the same way the "Palestinian refugees camps" are really modern cities of 100k people with permanent, concrete buildings the same as any other city.
Uh no I don't think that it's a street. How does anything you said even address the point i made that Israel keeps bombing the crossing?
Oh right it didn't.
Care to try again and actually address the point?
Or you can just talk about some unrelated shit and try to deflect once more.
Sometimes there are Hamas terrorists in places killing people and those people get bombs dropped on them. That's the "bombing the crossing" thing you're discussing.
Your assumption is that this means Israel is targeting civilians or that it is impossible to do this while providing aid in the same geographic area. This is easily proven false because aid trucks, foreign nationals, and lots of people are in those areas and are not dead - because those areas are large.
This makes me believe you are totally ignorant of how the geography actually works, which I am still convinced of.
A heavily militarized aid area would not be enterable by terrorists and thus is a safe haven for providing aid. This is why I think it should be a priority for Israel
Not sure why you're bringing the attitude when you're the one who doesn't understand the situation and is just parroting shit blindly.
You can't level entire towns and call it targeted (though I'm sure you will try).
I understand the situation just fine.
I'm not the one who only chooses to look at half of it and act like their team is somehow not committing ethnic cleansing.
You need to take a long look in the mirror bud. You are cheering on the monsters now.
Bloodiest assault in history? You have to be joking.
Uhh yeah? This is the bloodiest attack Palestine has ever done against Israel. Are you stunned? 😂
Forget the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians that Israel has killed. Those don't matter at all in the context of your very well thought out point.
Moved the goalposts and you're still wrong.
I'm demonstrably right though 😂
Wrong and ratio'd
Being one of the only lefties with common sense, I get ratio'd quite often. But I don't need fake points from imaginary online friends to feel good about myself 😂
"Everyone I meet is an asshole"
Aww you're even downvoting my comments 😂
Wasn't me.
But it stopped when I mentioned it. How peculiar 🤔🤣
More than likely because this comment chain is at the point where it has to be expanded.
I really hope israel will loose their wildcard and be accountable for all this shit. Just remove their privileges!
They won't. The extermination of Palestinians has been a stated goal of Israel and its allies for decades.
They're not going to be punished for pulling the trigger.
This is the full transcript of the recording between an Israeli IDF officer and a resident of northern Gaza
"Hello?"
"Muhammad?"
"Yes"
"How are you?"
"Yes"
"This is an officer from the IDF calling you. For your own safety I'm asking you to go to Khan Yunis as fast as possible "
"Where to?"
"In the direction of Khan Yunis. ASAP. I don't want you to put yourself at risk, that's why I'm telling you to go there."
"All the roads are blocked"
"Where you are right now isn't safe, you need to.. blocked where? Who blocked it? Hamas?"
"Yes"
"What?"
"Yes, that's correct"
"Where did they block the road?"
"At Salah ad-Din"
"Salah ad-Din?"
"Yeah"
"How did they block it?"
"They're just forcing people to go back home"
"Are they putting cars on the road? Police cars or.."
"Yes yes"
"How exactly? Explain it to me. Please, did you see it with your own eyes?"
"In a car, people are going south and they're just bringing them back home"
"How did they block the road?"
"They're shooting at people"
"Shooting what? Are they shooting at people that want to leave?"
"Yes yes yes"
https://twitter.com/ItayBlumental/status/1717466384794300882?t=7HRQJ5h29HRlfhN1fCl3mQ&s=19
And then what did the IDF forces do to Northern Gaza?
Ask people to leave for their own protection before intense urban fighting
The Israeli policy of bombing first and asking later makes this impossible.
It's hard to go against them in the West.
The right hate Muslims so side with Israel.
The left hate to be called antisemites, so hand-wring over civilian deaths, but ultimately side with Israel.
Who are these voices on the "left" that you say are supporting Israel?
Biden
Biden is not the left lmao
True, but effectively on the political stage, he is the opposition. Understandable that non-politically online people/normal people call him left.
Agreed but you're splitting hairs. My grandparents who voted for Biden aren't really "the left" either.
My ex who i've convinced to switch sides on this issue but is too afraid to say anything publicly because she doesn't think she knows enough of the history to take a stance isn't really "the left", but she voted Biden too.
Pretty much all of the Democratic leadership except Ilhan Omar.
They're not leftists but they are "the left"
The "viable left" I suppose.
Jeremy Corbyn wasn't that left either, yet you go to one Hamas Terrorist funeral, and suddenly you're a terrorist sympathiser and out come the photos at election time.
Sure, you can be left in the West, but not in a way where you'll get even a sniff of power.
https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/keir-starmers-statement-to-the-commons-on-israel-gaza-2/
And this is where you accuse anybody right of being a full communist of not being left enough, so we can save ourselves that interaction.
Keir Starmer?
Everything I read about this dude characterizes him as abandoning left wing policy in favor of center, center-right policy.
4th paragraph of his wikipedia page
I just think it's strange for you to insinuate that the position of the left is that of Israel's.
No one on the left is hand wringing over the civilian deaths but ultimately siding with Israel. Literally no one.
You recall that Hamas attacked Israel in the bloodiest assault in history, right?
You guys make me embarrassed to call myself a lefty.
Well gee, that sure does give Isreal the right to do ethnic cleansing. It's self defense after all so everything is permissible. /s
Hamas doing something horrible doesn't make it OK to starve the entirety of Gaza though, not everyone inside Gaza is Hamas
Speaking of, Hamas has over 1MM liters of fuel, and ample supplies of fresh water, that they refuse to distribute in Gaza. They also refuse to return hostages, which would also immediately lift the siege.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-photos-show-half-million-liters-of-fuel-held-by-hamas/
Edit to add:
The reason they stockpiled so much is their tunnel ventilation systems run on generators (which is also the reason Israel is trying to deny them fuel, because tunnel fighting is a nightmare and that's what is coming)
Here's a great video with more info https://www.youtube.com/live/xfc0nHLgDuY?si=8P-MddAIFXsFt-mA
It's not unreasonable to expect an enemy government to feed their people, rather than your country
I mean we can copy the same comments to another over and over all day if ya want.
I've got 3 hrs til my plane boards
FWIW I'd strongly support a heavily-militarized aid station set up in the south but you know as well as I do that people would still blame Israel for Hamas gunning down people headed south.
Down near the border crossing that Israel keeps bombing?
Yes. Hence "heavily militarized."
You seem to think this crossing is like, a single street. It is not. It's a misleading name the same way the "Palestinian refugees camps" are really modern cities of 100k people with permanent, concrete buildings the same as any other city.
Uh no I don't think that it's a street. How does anything you said even address the point i made that Israel keeps bombing the crossing?
Oh right it didn't.
Care to try again and actually address the point?
Or you can just talk about some unrelated shit and try to deflect once more.
Sometimes there are Hamas terrorists in places killing people and those people get bombs dropped on them. That's the "bombing the crossing" thing you're discussing.
Your assumption is that this means Israel is targeting civilians or that it is impossible to do this while providing aid in the same geographic area. This is easily proven false because aid trucks, foreign nationals, and lots of people are in those areas and are not dead - because those areas are large.
This makes me believe you are totally ignorant of how the geography actually works, which I am still convinced of.
A heavily militarized aid area would not be enterable by terrorists and thus is a safe haven for providing aid. This is why I think it should be a priority for Israel
Not sure why you're bringing the attitude when you're the one who doesn't understand the situation and is just parroting shit blindly.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html Fuck of with the not targeting civilians thing.
You can't level entire towns and call it targeted (though I'm sure you will try).
I understand the situation just fine.
I'm not the one who only chooses to look at half of it and act like their team is somehow not committing ethnic cleansing. You need to take a long look in the mirror bud. You are cheering on the monsters now.
Go simp for Israel elsewhere.
Until it sinks in.
Enjoy eternity, because youre just factually wrong lol
Palestine is protecting and aiding Hamas, though.
Bloodiest assault in history? You have to be joking.
Uhh yeah? This is the bloodiest attack Palestine has ever done against Israel. Are you stunned? 😂
Forget the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians that Israel has killed. Those don't matter at all in the context of your very well thought out point.
Moved the goalposts and you're still wrong.
I'm demonstrably right though 😂
Wrong and ratio'd
Being one of the only lefties with common sense, I get ratio'd quite often. But I don't need fake points from imaginary online friends to feel good about myself 😂
"Everyone I meet is an asshole"
Aww you're even downvoting my comments 😂
Wasn't me.
But it stopped when I mentioned it. How peculiar 🤔🤣
More than likely because this comment chain is at the point where it has to be expanded.
You're not the main character, go figure.
(x) Doubt.