I support any protest that blocks car traffic. The fact that the protesters are protesting something important is a nice bonus.
So you were in favor of the fascist Canadian trucker rally?
Yep. We saw how quickly some people abandoned their principles about nonviolent protest as soon as they saw people they disagreed with doing it. Suddenly half my ACAB friends were cheering for the police to "do their job."
There are ways for police to do their jobs without violence themselves.
Of course, it was pretty surreal to see people vilifying the effects of the protest not the protesters.
Damn, fuck those people that didn't also support the truckers' right to protest!
That said, you should know if people are breaking the law while protesting they're normally still arrested - that's called civil disobedience. You're absolutely still charged and prosecuted (normally).
That's when people would expect and support police doing what they're supposed to be doing (since we all pay them to enforce laws fairly, not just to beat black and brown people). It's not hypocritical to support police doing what you think they should be doing - protecting, serving, enforcing traffic laws, etc.
Too bad it also blocks bus traffic. And it’s not like the buses have an alternative route.
Edit: in fact it’s worse for bus passengers as the Golden Gate Transit system relies heavily on timed transfers and many buses run once an hour, so even a 10 minute delay could cause bus passengers to miss their transfer and make them have to wait an hour.
The fact that the us has abysmal public transit is not a reason to oppose protests.
First world problems.
Beats getting crushed by rubble or starving to death, that's for sure.
If you hold me hostage, violence is an option.
You're not a fucking "hostage;" just get out of your damn car and quit being dramatic.
ur not hostage you can get out of your car
That's a pretty ableist assumption on your part.
It's not a hostage situation if you can turn around and leave.
The cars in the picture don't look like they can turn around and leave.
Cars aren't people.
There are people in the cars trapped on a bridge. They can't turn around and leave.
cars have doors that can open to facilitate the entering and leaving of human drivers and passangers
hope this helps!
You think people are going to just abandon their cars on the Golden Gate Bridge? Why would they do such a thing?
The amount of commenters arguing that you can just leave your car in the middle of the road and that you should just "get over it" is pretty insane. How do these people live their lives lol
We are not arguing you should leave your fucking car you PUTZ, we are telling you that it's not a hostage situation. I understand, I really do. It sucks so much to have to wait 10 minutes for once in your busy life, but to pretend that being held up is a hostage situation is fucking absurd.
Those protestors aren't very good at protesting if they can only manage 10 minutes.
Maybe you should try, see how long you can get? Oh wait, sorry, I forgot you lack the empathy and courage required to even attempt a traffic-blocking protest.
They definitely the type to think that is a reasonable thing to do. They also assume every single person blocked is able bodied and can travel the rest of their commute on foot, work through the day, and travel on foot back to where they were forced to abandon their car blocking the bridge without it somehow getting towed. They think this because they're a moron.
Or just somehow sacrifice a car they paid who knows how many thousands of dollars for and never worry about it again.
You think people being stuck in a traffic jam justifies RAMMING, MOWING DOWN, AND MURDERING PROTESTORS?
Because that's the threat that was made at the top of this subthread in response to being "held hostage"
🙄 in their car.
Let me reiterate just how FUCKED and PSYCHOPATHIC that is: they think that just because they're stuck in a traffic jam that happened to be caused by a protest, that's somehow equated to a hostage situation and justifies them using LETHAL FORCE to escape. Because the option of simply getting out of the goddamn murder machine and walking is unfathomable to their entitled, leaded-gas-riddled mind.
Are you fucking sure that's the position you want to be defending right now?!
When did I even imply that it justified that? Why do you think the only two options are 'abandon your car' or 'run people over?' Because I'm pretty sure the people actually on the bridge didn't attempt either.
Read the comment that started this whole shitshow. That, ultimately, is what you're supporting!
No, ultimately, it isn't.
I think I have a better idea of what I support than you do.
So are you repudiating your previous comments in this thread defending the false characterization of getting stuck in traffic as a "hostage situation" and supporting those who advocated violence against protestors?
One more reason why trains are superior than any other form of commute.
You could block train tracks this way too.
If you're suicidal then sure.
If you're suicidal, you block the train where it goes quickly. If you just want to block the train, you do it at the end of the station platform before it can leave.
If you're so hellbent on inconveniencing general public instead of elites then good luck
And my point was doing that will get you beaten by people who are already frustrated in their lives.
Go harass lawmakers and other elites.
Yes, I agree. I'm not sure why you think I don't.
My car is equally capable of rolling over protestors. So, there's not much a difference on this front.
Strictly technically speaking, a F59PH engine unit of a train is about 265 000 lbs whereas an F-150 pickup truck averages around 5 000 lbs. In a train you might hear but you definitely won't feel running over protestors from the cab, whereas in a car you will be rocked as if you were going over speed bumps. As such there is a little bit of difference in capability there.
The advantage in a car or truck of course is you have more choice of where to run over protestors. If you far enough away from a pair of parallel steel rails you can rest assured as a protestor that a train won't show up and run you over. Unless you're in this movie.
If the objective was to run over protestors, rumble feedback might be a positive instead of a negative.
That is a good point.
Me too.
If Americans want the protests to stop, they should stop funding genocide.
The protesters should stop funding the genocide themselves if they want results
I support any protest that blocks car traffic. The fact that the protesters are protesting something important is a nice bonus.
So you were in favor of the fascist Canadian trucker rally?
Yep. We saw how quickly some people abandoned their principles about nonviolent protest as soon as they saw people they disagreed with doing it. Suddenly half my ACAB friends were cheering for the police to "do their job."
There are ways for police to do their jobs without violence themselves.
Of course, it was pretty surreal to see people vilifying the effects of the protest not the protesters.
Damn, fuck those people that didn't also support the truckers' right to protest!
That said, you should know if people are breaking the law while protesting they're normally still arrested - that's called civil disobedience. You're absolutely still charged and prosecuted (normally).
That's when people would expect and support police doing what they're supposed to be doing (since we all pay them to enforce laws fairly, not just to beat black and brown people). It's not hypocritical to support police doing what you think they should be doing - protecting, serving, enforcing traffic laws, etc.
acab, btw
Yeah fuck those people trying to get to work!
exactly
Too bad it also blocks bus traffic. And it’s not like the buses have an alternative route.
Edit: in fact it’s worse for bus passengers as the Golden Gate Transit system relies heavily on timed transfers and many buses run once an hour, so even a 10 minute delay could cause bus passengers to miss their transfer and make them have to wait an hour.
The fact that the us has abysmal public transit is not a reason to oppose protests.
First world problems.
Beats getting crushed by rubble or starving to death, that's for sure.
If you hold me hostage, violence is an option.
You're not a fucking "hostage;" just get out of your damn car and quit being dramatic.
ur not hostage you can get out of your car
That's a pretty ableist assumption on your part.
It's not a hostage situation if you can turn around and leave.
The cars in the picture don't look like they can turn around and leave.
Cars aren't people.
There are people in the cars trapped on a bridge. They can't turn around and leave.
cars have doors that can open to facilitate the entering and leaving of human drivers and passangers
hope this helps!
You think people are going to just abandon their cars on the Golden Gate Bridge? Why would they do such a thing?
The amount of commenters arguing that you can just leave your car in the middle of the road and that you should just "get over it" is pretty insane. How do these people live their lives lol
We are not arguing you should leave your fucking car you PUTZ, we are telling you that it's not a hostage situation. I understand, I really do. It sucks so much to have to wait 10 minutes for once in your busy life, but to pretend that being held up is a hostage situation is fucking absurd.
Those protestors aren't very good at protesting if they can only manage 10 minutes.
Maybe you should try, see how long you can get? Oh wait, sorry, I forgot you lack the empathy and courage required to even attempt a traffic-blocking protest.
They definitely the type to think that is a reasonable thing to do. They also assume every single person blocked is able bodied and can travel the rest of their commute on foot, work through the day, and travel on foot back to where they were forced to abandon their car blocking the bridge without it somehow getting towed. They think this because they're a moron.
Or just somehow sacrifice a car they paid who knows how many thousands of dollars for and never worry about it again.
You think people being stuck in a traffic jam justifies RAMMING, MOWING DOWN, AND MURDERING PROTESTORS?
Because that's the threat that was made at the top of this subthread in response to being "held hostage" 🙄 in their car.
Let me reiterate just how FUCKED and PSYCHOPATHIC that is: they think that just because they're stuck in a traffic jam that happened to be caused by a protest, that's somehow equated to a hostage situation and justifies them using LETHAL FORCE to escape. Because the option of simply getting out of the goddamn murder machine and walking is unfathomable to their entitled, leaded-gas-riddled mind.
Are you fucking sure that's the position you want to be defending right now?!
When did I even imply that it justified that? Why do you think the only two options are 'abandon your car' or 'run people over?' Because I'm pretty sure the people actually on the bridge didn't attempt either.
https://lemmy.world/comment/9422815
Read the comment that started this whole shitshow. That, ultimately, is what you're supporting!
No, ultimately, it isn't.
I think I have a better idea of what I support than you do.
So are you repudiating your previous comments in this thread defending the false characterization of getting stuck in traffic as a "hostage situation" and supporting those who advocated violence against protestors?
How do you turn around when you're boxed in?
use the door dumbasd
Turn the car around by using the door
you are not a car
If I'm not a car what door am I using to turn around?
You can walk past protesters. You don't have to turn around.
Drkt said I could turn around though. How do I turn around with the door?
Ok, the protesters are stopping me from walking past them. What should I do now?
Walk back to your car and turn around using your door
Aight, lemme scoot around y'all then and I'll be on my way.
One more reason why trains are superior than any other form of commute.
You could block train tracks this way too.
If you're suicidal then sure.
If you're suicidal, you block the train where it goes quickly. If you just want to block the train, you do it at the end of the station platform before it can leave.
If you're so hellbent on inconveniencing general public instead of elites then good luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1UXYS6Bmg
That was sort of my point...
And my point was doing that will get you beaten by people who are already frustrated in their lives.
Go harass lawmakers and other elites.
Yes, I agree. I'm not sure why you think I don't.
My car is equally capable of rolling over protestors. So, there's not much a difference on this front.
Strictly technically speaking, a F59PH engine unit of a train is about 265 000 lbs whereas an F-150 pickup truck averages around 5 000 lbs. In a train you might hear but you definitely won't feel running over protestors from the cab, whereas in a car you will be rocked as if you were going over speed bumps. As such there is a little bit of difference in capability there.
The advantage in a car or truck of course is you have more choice of where to run over protestors. If you far enough away from a pair of parallel steel rails you can rest assured as a protestor that a train won't show up and run you over. Unless you're in this movie.
If the objective was to run over protestors, rumble feedback might be a positive instead of a negative.
That is a good point.
Me too.
If Americans want the protests to stop, they should stop funding genocide.
The protesters should stop funding the genocide themselves if they want results