Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
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A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
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That will never happen while Netanyahu and his regime are in power. And the only time steps were taken in that direction, the Israeli Prime Minister got assassinated.
I think Clinton may have been the last individual human that could have prevented catastrophe in Gaza. He should have capitilised on it and essentially refused to take no as an answer from Israel. Instead, he just kind of went "oh well", and here we are.
or while the us is interested in maintaining their geopolitical presence in the region.
honestly i doubt it would be that easy at all.
nor will the Hamas remain peaceful...
Considering they're the only ones offering to lay down arms, I'd say they're more likely to be peaceful than the IDF and Netanyahu, who are not making such an offer.
They also justified the terrorist attack on the 7th of october, welcomed the large attack on Israel, are not "ashamed to say that Israel has no place in their land and has to be removed" and "will do it again and again".
So yeah they may lay their weapons down, but they never remain peaceful.
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html?guccounter=1
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/02/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news#hamas-official-promises-more-attacks-against-israel-similar-to-those-of-oct-7
Okay? I still only see one side saying they're willing to lay down arms. "This will end when we get an independent state" vs. "this will end when you're all dead?" The former seems more reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary.
It does. I agree that Netanyahu has to go and Palestine should have the chance to be independend, but the Hamas has also to be put down for good. With those terrorist fucks and their degenerated supporters, there will be no peace in the middle east.
How did 'Al Qaeda has to be put down for good' work out for the U.S.?
Mission Accomplished! Haliburton won ^ every contract^
Not that bad since Osama and Zawahiri are dead. Their last big terrorist attack against America was when, 2010? Against the west in general, in France 2015? Since then they pretty much done or in a clash with the Taliban. If we can do the same with the Hamas, I would call it a win.
I see, so by 'put down for good,' you meant 'still exists, just not doing anything dangerous to Israel at this moment.'
Also, you know it took decades of war for Al Qaeda to get to that point, right?
Which is pretty desireable based on the current situation, right? Get rid of their leadership and cripple them.
No shit sherlock, but it's also not like the conflict in the middle east just started in October...we are already a few years into it and it looks like a good point to get rid of their leadership for good now. That and a independend Palestine could make terrorists like them useless and maybe, just maybe could bring peace to the region. But with them still intact, I so ne future in this...
I guess I'm very confused about the way you used term 'put down for good' to mean 'made ineffective, but maybe only temporarily' or why you think this conflict wouldn't also take decades.
Do you think when people have a pet put down, they actually send it to live on a farm upstate?
Yeah I guess there is no point in continuing this discussion here...and no I don't think that Osama is on a farm right now, but maybe you do. And yes "made ineffective, but maybe only temporarily" is a desiable state for the current situation since it can pretty much mean that they are done. But like I said no point in discussing this any further with you ;)
Okay. Though just so you know, this is what 'for good' means:
You can't shoot an idea. The only way to kill Hamas for good would be genocide. Or actually solving the underlying problem with Palestine, and so starving them of redicalised recruits.
If Palestine wasn't oppressed, no one would be joining Hamas and they would have no power. This is a problem Isreal created for themselves.
I recommend this video, it really shows how what Isreal calls peace is still so oppressive.
They shouldn't be ashamed to say it. Israel has no place on their land and should be removed. We aren't talking about mom and pop tourists but militants that are forcing people out of their homes and killing their children.
What the fuck are you smoking?
Now do Israel with the same energy.
It’s pointless arguing this on Lemmy. Everyone here is convinced that the Islamic jihadists are oppressed and just want peace despite what they actually say and do.
I'm not saying that. You guys seem to think Arabs are born angry, though, and so can't be dealt with just by not being consistently a bastard yourself.
Hey what's your thoughts on manifest destiny? Just curious
Never heard of it
How do you feel about Irish independence then?
I think it’s up to the people from Northern Ireland
Who said anything about Northern Ireland? I said Irish independence not Irish unification.
Who said anything about Ireland. The post is about Hamas
Are you aware that one of the major factors to Ireland independence is terrorism.
Irish politicians also have a problem with just not saying evil stupid shit on Armenian issues.
Which seems especially weird considering that ASALA had connections with IRA.
Was their stated goal to wipe the U.K. off the face of the planet so that they could go to paradise?
Hamas does not break ceasefire deals. Israel does that.
What is it with your constant attempts at whitewashing Hamas? There were four alerts in Israel due to rockets launched from Gaza on that same day.
He needs it as background for his "Voting for Biden is voting for genocide"-LARPing. In my opinion he's a rightwinger trying to muddy the waters (as if Trump would do fuck all about Gaza)
That day was at the start of the ceasefire.
The Hamas rockets were after the ceasefire.
Notice the week in between?
There was an effective ceasefire before 7th October (apart from the random rockets fired Israel’s way) that was broken pretty badly. Making a ceasefire deal with terrorists that attacked you and took hostages and will never stop attacking you makes no sense.
Effective ceasefire = israel commits Genocide and nobody fights back?
24 September 2023 - Israeli airstrikes hit Gaza for the 3rd day in a row as West Bank violence intensifies
Nobody fights back? You’re having a laugh. They attack Israel constantly. That’s their faith and their purpose to get to paradise. Stop ignoring what they actually say
Israel just "defended themselves" onto Palestinian land and those Untermensch in their concentration camp should shut up and do nothing back for the rest of their lives! How dare Palestinians resist against their brutal oppressors! They should roll over and die in without fighting back like PA does in the West Bank!
But anyways, what was that about a 'ceasefire' before oct7?
You’re a terrorist sympathiser. They are not fighting in resistance because they’re oppressed. They’re trying to wipe out Israel because their holy book tells them to.
Oh look your entire argument got destroyed now it's over to ad-hominems and verbatim Hasbara.
Keep moving those goalposts.
Did you read the date before jumping in to defend israel? Not a single goalpost has been moved here.
From "Holsum Hamas would never break ceasefires!" to "Well the so-called 'ceasefires' are just cover for Israeli genocide anyway"
Except Hamas did not break the ceasefire only israel did.
There was no ceasefire extension because israel didn't want to.