I thought Trump had a chance before, but now... My god Biden embarrassed the shit out of himself... Fuck the goddamn DNC for condemning us by REFUSING to have primaries... Yeah it's the tradition because usually the incumbent has a chance, but 90472828 year old Biden? Ffs...
Yes Trump is old too but it was plain as day how much more lucid trump is than biden...
This might be a hot take but any leadership selection where candidates are ranked in terms of how lucid they are is a bad time for all involved.
Being lucid is supposed to be a minimum requirement to even apply. But here we are.
I need to shake the hands of potential presidents before I can make any judgements on who to vote for.
Hank?
Yessir, I sell propane and propane accessories. Ronald Reagan was the best president we ever had.
Yeah, I mean we're like lobsters being slow boiled.
This whole situation is mad, but it feels plausible because it's been ratcheted up so gradually.
Can you imagine the country's reaction if they say this 2 decades ago?
Does it really count as "lucid" if you enunciate your lies, fabrications, misrecollections about... everything?
No. He was not lucid, just loud.
For his voters, his lies and fabrications are the truth. They don't listen to fact checking because they are conditioned to see it as fake and a goverment ploy to fool them.
True. But they were going to have the same criticism of Biden regardless.
It's part of the reason I didn't even watch. Looking over the polling, the debate didn't really change anyone's opinions on anything to any significant degree.
I don't think it has been long enough to have gathered enough data on that. Just watching it myself I could clearly see a low information voter seeing Trump as a more fit choice as Biden struggled to even form sentences :(
They did a lot of the pre-selection of people beforehand. The headline most places are running with is "flash poll says trump won", but if you actually read the conclusions, it's that "flash poll says trump won, more Republicans watched the debate by about a ten percent margin, and no one changed their opinions about fitness for office or who they're voting for".
No-one is going to switch sides, but this performance may affect turnout.
What the polling likely isn't capturing is how many people will ultimately choose not to vote out of despair, and that was the real threat the whole time.
Oh, definitely. Not just possible, they weren't even looking for that. They were entirely looking for what the debate did to preferences and opinions directly about the candidates.
I mostly brought it out as an example of the headline not capturing the whole message of how it impacted voters. Or didn't impact, rather.
Loud and lying every second word != lucid.
It was a goddamn travesty that there was no fact checking by the button pushers moderators.
Everything was allowed to stand as fact. It was disgusting :(
I see so many people screaming that primaries should have been held, especially today.
Biden would have easily won the primaries.
He did win the primary in states that had them. There's no if about it. Unfortunately.
He was the only option on my primary lmao
The problem with Biden is they gave it to him because "he deserved it". Life long politician. Vice president. That's the only real reason the DNC handed the keys to him. It's a fucking job promotion.
The next election cycle is going to be interesting.
The only reason I agree with this is that I was still living in the Midwest during the 2016 primary. I moved to California during August of that year. Time after time, I got told by Midwestern democrats that Bernie just wasn't electable / was too progressive. The coasts would have primaried Biden, but flyover country would have messed it up.
Hmm....
Iowa, North Dakota, New York, and Massachusetts are the only ones that really surprise me in that grouping.
NY isn't that keen on progressive politics outside NYC. Long Island is an extremely populated part of NY and it's basically Trumpland and "moderates" out here, more Trump the more east you go. "Greater" NY is also pretty red aside from the larger cities. It doesn't really surprise me that much unfortunately :(
Yes Trump is old too but it was plain as day how much more lucid trump is than biden...
And also an unrepentant crook and liar. Who also dreams of being a dictator and getting revenge on his "enemies".
Preaching to the choir, but I'm worried about the ignorant people that simply don't know that about him. All they see is an old bumbling feeble man vs a "strong man." :(
And unfortunately, the media is not informing people. I can't believe there was no question last night about Project 2025. Just unbelievable.
Plus no fact checkers. Again, unbelievable.
For sure. It's a shame that being correct isn't the strategy for electoral politics.
Yeah, this is not looking good, and I'm not impressed
We're so fucked it's absolutely insane.
I thought Trump had a chance before, but now... My god Biden embarrassed the shit out of himself... Fuck the goddamn DNC for condemning us by REFUSING to have primaries... Yeah it's the tradition because usually the incumbent has a chance, but 90472828 year old Biden? Ffs...
Yes Trump is old too but it was plain as day how much more lucid trump is than biden...
This might be a hot take but any leadership selection where candidates are ranked in terms of how lucid they are is a bad time for all involved.
Being lucid is supposed to be a minimum requirement to even apply. But here we are.
I need to shake the hands of potential presidents before I can make any judgements on who to vote for.
Hank?
Yessir, I sell propane and propane accessories. Ronald Reagan was the best president we ever had.
Yeah, I mean we're like lobsters being slow boiled.
This whole situation is mad, but it feels plausible because it's been ratcheted up so gradually.
Can you imagine the country's reaction if they say this 2 decades ago?
Does it really count as "lucid" if you enunciate your lies, fabrications, misrecollections about... everything?
No. He was not lucid, just loud.
For his voters, his lies and fabrications are the truth. They don't listen to fact checking because they are conditioned to see it as fake and a goverment ploy to fool them.
True. But they were going to have the same criticism of Biden regardless.
It's part of the reason I didn't even watch. Looking over the polling, the debate didn't really change anyone's opinions on anything to any significant degree.
I don't think it has been long enough to have gathered enough data on that. Just watching it myself I could clearly see a low information voter seeing Trump as a more fit choice as Biden struggled to even form sentences :(
They did a lot of the pre-selection of people beforehand. The headline most places are running with is "flash poll says trump won", but if you actually read the conclusions, it's that "flash poll says trump won, more Republicans watched the debate by about a ten percent margin, and no one changed their opinions about fitness for office or who they're voting for".
No-one is going to switch sides, but this performance may affect turnout.
What the polling likely isn't capturing is how many people will ultimately choose not to vote out of despair, and that was the real threat the whole time.
Oh, definitely. Not just possible, they weren't even looking for that. They were entirely looking for what the debate did to preferences and opinions directly about the candidates.
I mostly brought it out as an example of the headline not capturing the whole message of how it impacted voters. Or didn't impact, rather.
Loud and lying every second word != lucid.
It was a goddamn travesty that there was no fact checking by the
button pushersmoderators.Everything was allowed to stand as fact. It was disgusting :(
I see so many people screaming that primaries should have been held, especially today.
Biden would have easily won the primaries.
He did win the primary in states that had them. There's no if about it. Unfortunately.
He was the only option on my primary lmao
The problem with Biden is they gave it to him because "he deserved it". Life long politician. Vice president. That's the only real reason the DNC handed the keys to him. It's a fucking job promotion.
The next election cycle is going to be interesting.
The only reason I agree with this is that I was still living in the Midwest during the 2016 primary. I moved to California during August of that year. Time after time, I got told by Midwestern democrats that Bernie just wasn't electable / was too progressive. The coasts would have primaried Biden, but flyover country would have messed it up.
Hmm....
Iowa, North Dakota, New York, and Massachusetts are the only ones that really surprise me in that grouping.
NY isn't that keen on progressive politics outside NYC. Long Island is an extremely populated part of NY and it's basically Trumpland and "moderates" out here, more Trump the more east you go. "Greater" NY is also pretty red aside from the larger cities. It doesn't really surprise me that much unfortunately :(
And also an unrepentant crook and liar. Who also dreams of being a dictator and getting revenge on his "enemies".
Preaching to the choir, but I'm worried about the ignorant people that simply don't know that about him. All they see is an old bumbling feeble man vs a "strong man." :(
And unfortunately, the media is not informing people. I can't believe there was no question last night about Project 2025. Just unbelievable.
Plus no fact checkers. Again, unbelievable.
For sure. It's a shame that being correct isn't the strategy for electoral politics.
Yeah, this is not looking good, and I'm not impressed