Trump rolls out bonkers Harris plane conspiracy—but photographer disproves it
thedailybeast.com
Former President Donald Trump continued his obsession with crowd size on Sunday, claiming photos that showed a large crowd outside Vice President Kamala Harris’ Detroit rally last week were AI-generated. But one photographer who was in attendance confirmed to the Daily Beast that the images his camera captured were very real.
The sad thing for him is that he is Streisand Effecting her crowd size. I had multiple posts on my Facebook feed of the picture where they circled the body of the plane and the engine claiming there’s no people in the reflection, so the crowd size is fake. I stumbled onto a Snopes post of a link to a video of the actual event as proof that the photo is authentic. I watched the video, and the camera showed not only the crowd that was displayed in the picture, but it began to pull back away from the plane. The crowd just kept on going and going and going and going and going! I couldn’t believe the number of people!
So where I would have never seen a pic of a group of people waiting by her plane, now I’ve seen a group that was multiple times as large as what was in the picture, and I’m beginning to realize what a movement she has going. Thank DJT!
Any chance the Dems will learn from Obama and Harris that younger and energetic candidates that stand firm will energize voters and increase turnout?
Yes, I am assuming Harris will pull in the numbers in November because she is currently doing things overwhelmingly right on the campaign trail. Not perfect, but overall really, really well.
Best I can do is a bunch of DC consultants whose clients are all 120 years old who will say naw this is a one-off.
Seeing as they're rolling out Bill and fucking Hillary Clinton as speakers at the DNC to follow the already unavoidable speech by historically unpopular Biden my guess would be no.
Biden is the current president. Bill and Hillary Clinton are both still immensely popular. There's absolutely nothing wrong with showing them throw their support to Harris.
The emphasis was mostly on Hillary, who ended up historically unpopular back in 2016.^[1] In fact books ^[2] have been written on the subject of why Clinton is so hated.
Biden - as president - is an unavoidable speaker and I said as much. I'll give you Bill is fairly popular, despite being associated with establishment democrats.
Umm, she won the popular vote. Everyone's well aware that conservatives hate her, and enough independents in enough swing states hated her to deny her the presidency, but that doesn't mean that she's an overall unpopular figure.
Every Democrat I know that voted for her, including myself, fucking hated her as a nominee. Do you honestly believe that Hillary Clinton is popular? That's like, demonstrably false
According to the primaries she was. In fact, according to the primaries she was nearly in the general for 2008. What's your data for demonstrably false? Certainly something more concrete than "me and my pals weren't pleased."
You'd have to be intentionally obtuse to believe she was likable. Just Google "Hillary Clinton likability", this isn't some revelation. I won't cite you a single source, because there's such an overwhelming multitude of sources, articles, polls, etc. if you are really at the point of "show me the data proving Hillary Clinton's unlikability", then you're already ignoring mountains of data and won't bat an eye at any source I send you. But feel free to Google it, it's been documented extensively over the last decade.
"There's a lot, people are saying." Okay, thank you.
whaddya know. you were proven wrong, it was insanely easy to prove, and you disappeared rather than admit you were wrong. I'm sure for years you'll be telling people how likable Hillary Clinton is. I bet you also love to rip on conservatives for being low-information, obstinate voters who won't change their minds when presented with evidence. :)
Disappeared? You are behaving like a child because someone asked you for data. I hope you can figure out how to control your rage someday.
"I refuse to even Google this because I know i'll be INSTANTLY proven wrong", keep sticking your head in the sand buddy
I don't think I'm any better than you are at searching. You worked at it for a while and found nothing. I'll accept that.
Those independent votes are as important this election as they were in 2016, though.
That's absolutely true, of course. But that doesn't mean showing unity between old-guard, establishment Democrats and more progressive factions will be a bad thing. For one, Clinton's image has improved substantially compared to the orange turd. For another, this will definitely be seen as a positive, passing-of-the-torch kind of deal.
In fact, I'm leaning towards the opinion that denying the Clintons opportunities to speak in support of Harris would have been seen as divisive at a time when optimism and unity are driving her campaign. And independents definitely like to see optimism and unity.
Not trying to be combative here but do you have any sources? It's been hard finding recent data, but in 2018 her favorability was still very low. ^[1] The best I can find is 19% (compared to Harris 29%) backing Hillary as nominee should Biden drop out back in February. ^[2]
I can see your arguments, but I'm also wary of halting the momentum of the campaign, which has somehow managed to position itself as new and fresh and unburdened by what has been (establishment democrats).
No worries, I'll never be upset by requests for citations. Those are always legitimate to ask for.
According to YouGov, her current popularity is 42%, her "Disliked By" rating is 38%, and 18% feel neutral about her. I'd assume those numbers shift when looking only at Democrats and independents, but regardless, it's quite a distance from her 2018 favorability ratings. Source: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Hillary_Clinton
It's impressive I guess that she's clawed back to barely favourable, I'll give her that. However, I don't think you can think about only her appeal to other democrats. The DNC doesn't exist in a vacuum. The republicans have a vast array of old Hillary attack angles ready to go, and footage of Harris and Hillary together puts all of those back in play. Trump and his cronies can and will use them all in hopes of swaying independents and undecideds who still dislike Clinton. It's a vulnerability I don't think the campaign needs in exchange for dubious gains.
It's important to remember this is just a speech, not an invitation for the Clintons back into the White House. I trust the Harris team to have thought this through.
And it occurs to me they have an obvious response: "Why are you campaigning against Hillary Clinton? That's a weird thing to do, she's not running."
So historically unpopular that she got more votes than the guy who "won" the election?
Dems held their nose and voted for her to try to avoid trump. She is historically unpopular.
Fair enough, I should have considered that!
I'm hoping that they take a swing at all 50 states plus DC. Dean may be known primarily for his scream, but his 50 State Strategy was a good idea.
Like the very real photos he took with his black supporters?
Holy shit, it's just constant projection with the GOP. Even on the stupidest shit, projection.
Every accusation is a confession
If you wanted to fake an image, you definitely wouldn't be using AI, especially for something as in easy as crowds.
But, of course, you wouldn't be doing photomanipulation for anything many people were actually there to witness with their eyeballs.
Remember when Adolf was in his bunker moving mythical military units on a map?
Same thing.
The man distanced himself from reality and has now fallen off a cliff. It does no good trying to convince anyone, just watch the lemmings that follow him.
reminds me of some sharpie incident
I still don't know which is more unbelievable to me - that it happened in the first place or that he's still a toss-up for the presidency despite having pulled that stunt.
What was that again?
He tried to claim he'd been right about the path of a hurricane... by doctoring a weather prediction map from the National Weather Service with a sharpie.
Oh yeah now I remember! 😂 God damn what an unbelievable moron the guy is... I can't even comprehend.
This is also one reason project 2025 wants to eliminate NOAA. That and the whole bit about NOAA along with NASA providing direct scientific evidence of global warming that goes directly against the interests of the fossil fuel industry. I mean... clearly the latter is the lion's share, but Trump's pettiness knows no bounds when they wouldn't [fully] play ball and affirm lies he told about the storm... https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/11/media/hurricane-dorian-donald-trump-reliable-sources/index.html
Wish I could get this bug in the Harris campaign's collective ear:
They should be running 24/7 TV spots in Florida outlining moves have the GOP has done, and wishes to do, to defund NOAA. We live and die by that reporting in hurricane season.
No need bring up shit Republicans don't believe in like global warming or stronger and more numerous hurricanes.
Another reason they want to eliminate NOAA is because they provide weather info for free. Without NOAA we'd end up paying for our weather reports from private companies.
The former "leader of the free world"
Have are we not up in arms in this timeline? Figuratively, that is. It would be good to avoid armed conflict, but why the fuck are we allowing lying moronic assholes in positions of power?
Because really stupid morons think he's smart business man despite all evidence in front of them
But really stupid morons can't be the majority, surely.
So there's something going on with the average intelligent as well.
Perhaps it's because the majority isn't as loud and obnoxious as the moronic minority?
Nothing but projection. Trump and his cronies do that -> Trump supporters target black voters with faked AI images. I'm pretty sure that there are way more examples, I just don't feel like spending any time on this moron and his lies. Honestly, why is it still necessary to debunk anything Trump says? It's a rare exception when he says something that isn't made up.
If he is talking about modified pics he will soon be talking about those awful fabricated videos the ruzzians have produced of him in Moscow.
Nah, he will just outright deny reality like he has his entire life including lying about his crowd sizes since 2016.
Or, how the AI/media has removed people from his rallies.
Mans is completely fucked.
Video: https://x.com/yashar/status/1822671783713202393
Wait for the pullback at the end. Idk shit about estimating crowd size but it's big as hell
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