Ercot asks this every other day now. Maybe they should address the root problems instead. Like having lousy transmission lines that can’t handle all the renewable energy that’s being generated across the state.
ERCOT doesn't have the power to do what you're saying they should do
they don't even have the power to keep the grid going
They are not the grid operator? Explain please.
There is no single grid operator, and they neither own nor operate any transmission lines. ERCOT's purpose is to coordinate supply and demand on the grid, and to try to ensure electricity demand does not exceed supply using what limited tools they have available to them. They can't build new power plants and they can't build new power lines, all they can do is request more power from generators and request or force consumers to decrease demand
The Public Utility Commission, governor, and the state legislature are where you need to direct your anger
"But that's commie energy!"
Texans should ask that they invest in their infrastructure to meet the demands.
Texas: We have heard your desire, and have built a new coal generator plant, without any of those woke "pollution filters."
It can produce electricity at temperatures as low as 45 degrees!
And as high as 105! Neither will ever happen.
It's important to remember that thermal plants (gas/coal/nukes) have a maximum outside temp they can operate in as well as a min temp. Its not if but when the texas grid will collapse due to plants tripping off in high temps in addition to record demands.
Do most Texans actually abide by this? Because what we’re shown of Texas here in Canada makes me think that the culture there isn’t one of “I’m not going to this thing because an authority figure told me not to.”
As someone who spent 4 days straight without power while ERCOT implemented "rolling blackouts" while downtown offices stayed lit at night during the 2021 freeze, I'm not changing my AC I've set to "I don't want the power company to ream me" rates because I know I'm not the big wasteful consumer. Nor am I the one to get priority when it does go down. Gotta keep those bags of ice cold for the coolers, and hope my insulation fights long enough for something to come back up at night.
What exactly are the citizens of Texas getting from their tax dollars?
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The wealthy pay less taxes than states like CA that have progressive taxes. The middle class pays more. They have shifted taxes down. Then they pay outlets like Fox to rant on CA taxes.
I loved those energy rush hour notifications for my thermostat over the last week. Go ahead, set my AC to 80. It was 85 in my apartment, so it still ran anyway.
Wait. They can control your AC?
Many utilities offer bill discounts if you install a thermostat they can control during peak events. Some even will install radio-contolled switches on water heaters. Electric utilities have a VERY strong incentive to try and shave peak load during high-demand events.
Source: I worked for an electric utility. We even took our buildings off the grid and ran on generator during peak-load events. It was cheaper to burn diesel then contribute to the load.
Probably all smart thermostats, but for sure at least the Google thermo will offer to enroll your thermo in a rewards kinda program. Will get money (100$/yr for me) for Google to lower your HVAC use during major loads. Also you get a warning before it happens.
A lot of power companies also offer pretty much the same thing, but they can control it. Usually you get a few over rides per year before some penalties.
It's a good idea and should probably be the norm, should probably just fix the grid instead of the bandaid too
I think we should have hourly electricity pricing announced at least a week ahead and smart thermostats should be able to access this pricing info via an API and adjust usage accordingly
Not until we make the utilities public. They are hoarding record profits and not investing in the grid.
Other replies pretty much covered it, but yeah, I have a Nest thermostat that I enrolled in Evergy's rush hour program that lets them adjust the thermostat during peak usage times. I can set it back lower if I want, but I then lose out on incentives (credit/discount on my bill). The only times I've gotten those rush hour notifications, though, have been on the hottest days where it's so warm in my apartment that, even when they raise the thermostat, my AC still runs anyway. I'm also on the third floor with a few westward facing windows, so I'm sure the program works better for others.
Don’t you want a free Nest thermostat?
California has a system for this too. They put an extra box on your compressor that allows the utility to shut it off longer but in return you get a discount on your summer bills (whether or not they actually use it).
The steepest discount is something like they can shut it off for up to 6 hours per "event" and you get $180. They have other ones though like up to 15 minutes every half hour for up to 6 hours total and you get $90.
For my Ecobee, I opted for such a program. I think I only get $25, but their adjustments are strictly limited. I think they are allowed to adjust 3° for up to two hours, at most 20 times, and I can override atwill
Ercot asks this every other day now. Maybe they should address the root problems instead. Like having lousy transmission lines that can’t handle all the renewable energy that’s being generated across the state.
ERCOT doesn't have the power to do what you're saying they should do
they don't even have the power to keep the grid going
They are not the grid operator? Explain please.
There is no single grid operator, and they neither own nor operate any transmission lines. ERCOT's purpose is to coordinate supply and demand on the grid, and to try to ensure electricity demand does not exceed supply using what limited tools they have available to them. They can't build new power plants and they can't build new power lines, all they can do is request more power from generators and request or force consumers to decrease demand
The Public Utility Commission, governor, and the state legislature are where you need to direct your anger
"But that's commie energy!"
Texans should ask that they invest in their infrastructure to meet the demands.
Texas: We have heard your desire, and have built a new coal generator plant, without any of those woke "pollution filters."
It can produce electricity at temperatures as low as 45 degrees!
And as high as 105! Neither will ever happen.
It's important to remember that thermal plants (gas/coal/nukes) have a maximum outside temp they can operate in as well as a min temp. Its not if but when the texas grid will collapse due to plants tripping off in high temps in addition to record demands.
Do most Texans actually abide by this? Because what we’re shown of Texas here in Canada makes me think that the culture there isn’t one of “I’m not going to this thing because an authority figure told me not to.”
As someone who spent 4 days straight without power while ERCOT implemented "rolling blackouts" while downtown offices stayed lit at night during the 2021 freeze, I'm not changing my AC I've set to "I don't want the power company to ream me" rates because I know I'm not the big wasteful consumer. Nor am I the one to get priority when it does go down. Gotta keep those bags of ice cold for the coolers, and hope my insulation fights long enough for something to come back up at night.
What exactly are the citizens of Texas getting from their tax dollars?
💀
The wealthy pay less taxes than states like CA that have progressive taxes. The middle class pays more. They have shifted taxes down. Then they pay outlets like Fox to rant on CA taxes.
They also have far less services. This shows up in stats like infant mortality rates.
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Texans pay more taxes than Californians
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They're hurting minorities and poor people! Do you not see how Great that is!?
Over time they pay more than customers in other states. It is a way for private companies to capture profits from monopoly utilities.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-electric-bills-were-28-billion-higher-under-deregulation-11614162780
This is normal in MO as well.
I loved those energy rush hour notifications for my thermostat over the last week. Go ahead, set my AC to 80. It was 85 in my apartment, so it still ran anyway.
Wait. They can control your AC?
Many utilities offer bill discounts if you install a thermostat they can control during peak events. Some even will install radio-contolled switches on water heaters. Electric utilities have a VERY strong incentive to try and shave peak load during high-demand events.
Source: I worked for an electric utility. We even took our buildings off the grid and ran on generator during peak-load events. It was cheaper to burn diesel then contribute to the load.
Probably all smart thermostats, but for sure at least the Google thermo will offer to enroll your thermo in a rewards kinda program. Will get money (100$/yr for me) for Google to lower your HVAC use during major loads. Also you get a warning before it happens.
A lot of power companies also offer pretty much the same thing, but they can control it. Usually you get a few over rides per year before some penalties.
It's a good idea and should probably be the norm, should probably just fix the grid instead of the bandaid too
I think we should have hourly electricity pricing announced at least a week ahead and smart thermostats should be able to access this pricing info via an API and adjust usage accordingly
Not until we make the utilities public. They are hoarding record profits and not investing in the grid.
Other replies pretty much covered it, but yeah, I have a Nest thermostat that I enrolled in Evergy's rush hour program that lets them adjust the thermostat during peak usage times. I can set it back lower if I want, but I then lose out on incentives (credit/discount on my bill). The only times I've gotten those rush hour notifications, though, have been on the hottest days where it's so warm in my apartment that, even when they raise the thermostat, my AC still runs anyway. I'm also on the third floor with a few westward facing windows, so I'm sure the program works better for others.
Don’t you want a free Nest thermostat?
California has a system for this too. They put an extra box on your compressor that allows the utility to shut it off longer but in return you get a discount on your summer bills (whether or not they actually use it).
The steepest discount is something like they can shut it off for up to 6 hours per "event" and you get $180. They have other ones though like up to 15 minutes every half hour for up to 6 hours total and you get $90.
For my Ecobee, I opted for such a program. I think I only get $25, but their adjustments are strictly limited. I think they are allowed to adjust 3° for up to two hours, at most 20 times, and I can override atwill
From MO, never happened to me