Is having a large party supposed to be illegal? Either way doesn't sending drones to someone's backyard constitute unwarranted search?
What's visible from public spaces, including the air, is not considered a search of your persons, houses, papers, and effects. Or at least not an unreasonable search.
So if I got a drone and live streamed some cops backyard pool party that'd be ok?
Depends, are you a cop?
It would probably be legal.
Possibly not advisable, they tend to be quite ... shootie
What's visible with the naked eye. If using a dog outside an apartment door to smell weed is unconstitutional, I imagine doing a flyover with a drone is too.
I remember hearing about police thermal camera use being unconstitutional (or at least not allowed) in some places. How is this different?
I would like to add I have no source for this it's just something I remember hearing and you shouldn't believe people on the Internet do some research in verified sources or reputable news organizations and definitely don't just blindly believe what I have to say, but if it's for entertainment purposes then sure believe me. I believe me but I'm not heavily invested in verifying this fact.
Cops use(d) thermal imaging to bust grow ops, the house with the extra warm roof? What's in the attic?
So they can use thermal imaging from outside the house to watch the people inside? That's bs
Police are not allowed to use anything other than the 'naked eye' (their own senses) without a warrant.
If this includes police dogs (it does, the SC ruled on this and a conservative justice wrote the majority opinion), it includes drones (with or without thermal cameras).
NYC will see a lawsuit out of this for sure.
How do you think they catch grow-houses? They thermal scan neighborhoods for heat signatures from the grow lights. Cops are masters of subverting the law to do whatever they want.
I know thermal imaging has been used to look for marijuana farms, back when grow lamps were incandescent and houses would stand out as hot. But I don't know if they had warrants for those or not.
But to actually use imaging, whether it's thermal, radio, or X-ray, to see through a wall, is definitely considered a search.
Thermal cameras can't see through glass, but they could be used to see if a building is significantly warmer than the surrounding structures.
That's a good place to start. It summarizes a few supreme court cases that you can read more about.
Absolutely wild overreach. Thanks for the link.
Your property rights do not stop at the ground. No one has the right to fly a drone over your property. There's just usually not much you can do about it.
This is not correct. Navigable airspace is controlled by the FAA alone. Part 107 rules state that in fact you must fly a small unmanned aircraft less than 400 feet above ground level or within 400 feet of a structure. So, if someone is flying a drone around, they must fly it fairly close to the ground (though a little quadcopter at 400 feet would be pretty hard to notice).
You may be thinking “the airspace above the surface that could reasonably be used in connection with the land” seems noticeably vague. At what point does my airspace end and the public highway begin? Unfortunately, there is no exact answer to this question, but generally, the government considers the public highway to start around 500 feet in uncongested areas, and 1000 feet otherwise. Flight over private land cannot interfere with the enjoyment and use of the land.
What about the airspace below 500 feet? Can helicopters, drones, or hang gliders legally fly above my property? In 1946 in the case of the United States v. Causby, a large military aircraft flew 83 feet above a farmer’s land startling his chickens, causing them to kill themselves by flying into walls. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the farmer. So we are at least entitled to 83 feet. What about the space between 83 and 500 feet?
Well… this appears to be rather unclear and is still undecided.
Like I said, navigable airspace is controlled by the FAA, but what is "navigable airspace" is not quantified. And the rules say small unmanned aircraft cannot exceed 400 feet.
No one is flying the drones 400+ feet off the ground for surveillance.... The cameras would have to be far too good/expensive for that to be practical.
Sorry, I forgot which way I was using the negative when writing that sentence. I've fixed it. You have to stay under 400 ft, or within 400 ft of a structure.
If this is real, get those pop up tents or a tarp and make a cover. Fuck the police.
Nice of them to offer target practice.
I know you're being facetious, but for anyone thinking seriously about this, shooting down aircraft, which drones are categorized as, is a Federal offense. Same with shining a laser at it, trying to jam its communications, or spoofing GPS to throw off its navigation.
And if the cops are the ones operating the drone, they'll probably be highly incentivized to arrest and prosecute you.
They gotta prove who did it though.
If a police aircraft gets shot down, they're just going to arrest everyone they can find nearby and work it out from there.
That's what they do when a police helicopter gets hit with a laser pointer, I would assume it would be the same in this case.
There is still like 30k people in a neighborhood. Too much effort to processes.
I thought Cyberpunk 2077 was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.
The quote from Mike Pondsmith, the creator of Cyberpunk -- the TTRPG 2077 is based on -- is "'Cyberpunk' is a warning, not an aspiration".
Shoot the drones down. Air compressors and PVC piping can create effective and legal anti air flak guns.
Yes, the police famously don’t care if you shoot down their camera and gps equipped drones.
The not-a-firearm might not be illegal to have but destroying police property is still going to ruffle feathers.
Cheap paintball gun would probably easily gum up the works on a drones propellers with a couple shots. At least throw off the balance enough for it to go down, or at worst cover up the camera lens.
News on Monday: NYPD to prosecute those who shot down drones Wich were in their backyards.
How many people can NYC muster to all drop trow and moon a drone? Is it indecent exposure if the only way to see it is a fuckin spy drone?
BUTTS OUT!
This would be against the 4th amendment. We don't need law enforcement peeking into our yards.
The government has already been doing this on a larger scale with higher altitudes. It's funny nobody seems to care as long as they can't see the drones but once they're low enough to be visible watch everyone lose their minds.
I need to make a meme about how Watch_Dogs was a warning not a manual.
Is having a large party supposed to be illegal? Either way doesn't sending drones to someone's backyard constitute unwarranted search?
What's visible from public spaces, including the air, is not considered a search of your persons, houses, papers, and effects. Or at least not an unreasonable search.
So if I got a drone and live streamed some cops backyard pool party that'd be ok?
Depends, are you a cop?
It would probably be legal.
Possibly not advisable, they tend to be quite ... shootie
What's visible with the naked eye. If using a dog outside an apartment door to smell weed is unconstitutional, I imagine doing a flyover with a drone is too.
I remember hearing about police thermal camera use being unconstitutional (or at least not allowed) in some places. How is this different?
I would like to add I have no source for this it's just something I remember hearing and you shouldn't believe people on the Internet do some research in verified sources or reputable news organizations and definitely don't just blindly believe what I have to say, but if it's for entertainment purposes then sure believe me. I believe me but I'm not heavily invested in verifying this fact.
Cops use(d) thermal imaging to bust grow ops, the house with the extra warm roof? What's in the attic?
So they can use thermal imaging from outside the house to watch the people inside? That's bs
Police are not allowed to use anything other than the 'naked eye' (their own senses) without a warrant.
If this includes police dogs (it does, the SC ruled on this and a conservative justice wrote the majority opinion), it includes drones (with or without thermal cameras).
NYC will see a lawsuit out of this for sure.
How do you think they catch grow-houses? They thermal scan neighborhoods for heat signatures from the grow lights. Cops are masters of subverting the law to do whatever they want.
I know thermal imaging has been used to look for marijuana farms, back when grow lamps were incandescent and houses would stand out as hot. But I don't know if they had warrants for those or not.
But to actually use imaging, whether it's thermal, radio, or X-ray, to see through a wall, is definitely considered a search.
Thermal cameras can't see through glass, but they could be used to see if a building is significantly warmer than the surrounding structures.
I'ma need to see a source for this claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_surveillance_doctrine
That's a good place to start. It summarizes a few supreme court cases that you can read more about.
Absolutely wild overreach. Thanks for the link.
Your property rights do not stop at the ground. No one has the right to fly a drone over your property. There's just usually not much you can do about it.
This is not correct. Navigable airspace is controlled by the FAA alone. Part 107 rules state that in fact you must fly a small unmanned aircraft less than 400 feet above ground level or within 400 feet of a structure. So, if someone is flying a drone around, they must fly it fairly close to the ground (though a little quadcopter at 400 feet would be pretty hard to notice).
https://www.landsearch.com/blog/property-air-rights
Hope their drones go higher than 500 feet.
Keep reading. The very next bit from that page:
Like I said, navigable airspace is controlled by the FAA, but what is "navigable airspace" is not quantified. And the rules say small unmanned aircraft cannot exceed 400 feet.
No one is flying the drones 400+ feet off the ground for surveillance.... The cameras would have to be far too good/expensive for that to be practical.
Sorry, I forgot which way I was using the negative when writing that sentence. I've fixed it. You have to stay under 400 ft, or within 400 ft of a structure.
If this is real, get those pop up tents or a tarp and make a cover. Fuck the police.
Nice of them to offer target practice.
I know you're being facetious, but for anyone thinking seriously about this, shooting down aircraft, which drones are categorized as, is a Federal offense. Same with shining a laser at it, trying to jam its communications, or spoofing GPS to throw off its navigation.
And if the cops are the ones operating the drone, they'll probably be highly incentivized to arrest and prosecute you.
They gotta prove who did it though.
If a police aircraft gets shot down, they're just going to arrest everyone they can find nearby and work it out from there.
That's what they do when a police helicopter gets hit with a laser pointer, I would assume it would be the same in this case.
There is still like 30k people in a neighborhood. Too much effort to processes.
I thought Cyberpunk 2077 was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.
The quote from Mike Pondsmith, the creator of Cyberpunk -- the TTRPG 2077 is based on -- is "'Cyberpunk' is a warning, not an aspiration".
https://stevivor.com/news/mike-pondsmith-says-cyberpunk-warning-not-aspiration/
Shoot the drones down. Air compressors and PVC piping can create effective and legal anti air flak guns.
Yes, the police famously don’t care if you shoot down their camera and gps equipped drones.
The not-a-firearm might not be illegal to have but destroying police property is still going to ruffle feathers.
Cheap paintball gun would probably easily gum up the works on a drones propellers with a couple shots. At least throw off the balance enough for it to go down, or at worst cover up the camera lens.
News on Monday: NYPD to prosecute those who shot down drones Wich were in their backyards.
How many people can NYC muster to all drop trow and moon a drone? Is it indecent exposure if the only way to see it is a fuckin spy drone? BUTTS OUT!
This would be against the 4th amendment. We don't need law enforcement peeking into our yards.
Well, at least this song aged well
Why, oh why must you swoop through the hood like everybody from the hood is up to no good?
The government has already been doing this on a larger scale with higher altitudes. It's funny nobody seems to care as long as they can't see the drones but once they're low enough to be visible watch everyone lose their minds.
I need to make a meme about how Watch_Dogs was a warning not a manual.