do I want a microchip? yes. would i take if it was made by a greedy corporation? fuck no. I want my HUD, but that feels like too much of a gamble for it
When it comes to stuff like implants, it's FOSS or nothing! (Or state-based medical devices if we're being realistic)
I'd be ok with a microchip in my brain if the code was open-source and I could make it at home. In any other case, no.
With the increasing complexity of machine learning models, even the designers can't understand how it functions (what input leads to a given output). Open source doesn't mean safe at all. And even if it functions as intended, what happens wheb their is a vulnerability (or 0-zero day), or when the device reaches EOSL?
Outside of having some debilitating problem that can only be fixed with a microchip in my brain; I’m opting out.
But if I was blind and it allowed me to see, sign me up.
Even then, I wouldn’t want it to have any functionality to update the code it runs once it’s implanted. And I’d want that code to be incredibly well tested and verified alongside the hardware. No bugs beforehand means no reason to update it later.
No bugs is a hard thing to accomplish, especially for an immerging technology (eg 0-day vulnerability)
Not sure that counts? This was unfortunately due to a completely untested system, designed by one guy way over his head (ethically should have reported this to some governing body), and a company who lied about the non existent testing. This wasn’t just a singular bug but an entire failure throughout.
Yet, afterwards, the code running medical devices has been subject to the same standards that we set for tools themselves. The code embedded in a life support machine can’t fail.
I think you also proved my point anyway, the problem was a system set up such that testing wasn’t done. Not that the testing itself wasn’t possible. It’s just expensive. So companies won’t do it unless they’re forced too by regulation.
Ohhh, yeah. I have no idea why back then code wasn’t seen for what it is. I’ve been told by older people that back then the idea that if it compiles it’s fine, was ok… or something along those lines. I think today we even still of a ton of those issues due to every framework and language being so different, lacking standardization.
Throughout every thing I’ve ever learned, the biggest realization I’ve had was that without forcing policies, companies will do whatever is necessary to line their pockets.
I’d want the ability to upload code once it’s implanted but I’d want it to be inconvenient to do so
I was actually discussing this with my girlfriend and we were thinking of a system where it can be give you a two-factor authentication code via thought. That way you can use that to unlock it for updating the firmware.
I'm hearing impaired and would love if some brain implant could fix me. I already almost have this, with a cochlear implant (it's not technically in the brain, but it is an implant in my head). It's not enough for me, though, cause my hearing still sucks.
Oh, I i thought the cochlear implants made it like being able to hear normally, is that not the case?
They can and I had hoped they were gonna for me. But my problem must be heavily neurological. The cochlear implant did help some, I'm a far cry from normal hearing (I especially struggle with accents, low tones, and when sounds overlap).
My vision's been going since my forties, and since the notion of cyber-eyes in the 80s I've imagined one day getting some nice Canons or Nikons and being able to read at a KM.
But we don't have the kind of tech support now we did then, and instead get connected to some chatbot with a small troubleshooting tree. Also current brain interfaces might kill me or worse leave me alive and impaired.
The purpose of dystopian sci-fi is to help us understand these kinds of things. If Black Mirror helps you think about how technology will impact our future, all the power to you.
W take
I want to want this so badly. Made with full transparency by someone I can trust the idea is ssssooooo cool. Unfortunately this thing will be born fully enshittified and the ability to have the definitions of words I don't understand just float into my field of vision as I'm reading them isn't cool enough to negate the constant, nagging urge to buy myself a new Ford truck with the extra expensive trim package and for some reason when I think about financing it out for 10 years at 35% I get a feeling I haven't felt since the first time I held my newborn child.
if it's foss then maybe
Even then I wouldn't trust it. Getting hacked or getting a virus could become a life or death scenario.
It would certainly require us to take data security seriously, and be ready to hit companies hard when their proprietary stuff causes public harm.
Common sense has always been a thought-terminating cliché. Even Disney has an old PSA cartoon about the notion (featuring the old term, horse sense ).
At best, common sense reflects the notions that arguments should be obviously true and agreeable. But it's better if we actually express them.
So in the case of neuro-interfaced microchips, the installation procedure is still high risk, and there aren't any useful purposes for them worth the risk. Maybe at the point it restores consciousness to a comatose patient, or eyesight to the blind.
Overrated-ass show.
Now you can have unskippable ads in your dreams!
Outside of having some debilitating problem that can only be fixed with a microchip in my brain; I’m opting out.
But if I was blind and it allowed me to see, sign me up.
do I want a microchip? yes. would i take if it was made by a greedy corporation? fuck no. I want my HUD, but that feels like too much of a gamble for it
When it comes to stuff like implants, it's FOSS or nothing! (Or state-based medical devices if we're being realistic)
I'd be ok with a microchip in my brain if the code was open-source and I could make it at home. In any other case, no.
With the increasing complexity of machine learning models, even the designers can't understand how it functions (what input leads to a given output). Open source doesn't mean safe at all. And even if it functions as intended, what happens wheb their is a vulnerability (or 0-zero day), or when the device reaches EOSL?
Outside of having some debilitating problem that can only be fixed with a microchip in my brain; I’m opting out.
But if I was blind and it allowed me to see, sign me up.
Even then, I wouldn’t want it to have any functionality to update the code it runs once it’s implanted. And I’d want that code to be incredibly well tested and verified alongside the hardware. No bugs beforehand means no reason to update it later.
No bugs is a hard thing to accomplish, especially for an immerging technology (eg 0-day vulnerability)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
https://youtu.be/nU5HbUOtyqk
Not sure that counts? This was unfortunately due to a completely untested system, designed by one guy way over his head (ethically should have reported this to some governing body), and a company who lied about the non existent testing. This wasn’t just a singular bug but an entire failure throughout.
Yet, afterwards, the code running medical devices has been subject to the same standards that we set for tools themselves. The code embedded in a life support machine can’t fail.
I think you also proved my point anyway, the problem was a system set up such that testing wasn’t done. Not that the testing itself wasn’t possible. It’s just expensive. So companies won’t do it unless they’re forced too by regulation.
Ohhh, yeah. I have no idea why back then code wasn’t seen for what it is. I’ve been told by older people that back then the idea that if it compiles it’s fine, was ok… or something along those lines. I think today we even still of a ton of those issues due to every framework and language being so different, lacking standardization.
Throughout every thing I’ve ever learned, the biggest realization I’ve had was that without forcing policies, companies will do whatever is necessary to line their pockets.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/nU5HbUOtyqk?si=axTXLPa-cxLYzWkO
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I’d want the ability to upload code once it’s implanted but I’d want it to be inconvenient to do so
I was actually discussing this with my girlfriend and we were thinking of a system where it can be give you a two-factor authentication code via thought. That way you can use that to unlock it for updating the firmware.
I'm hearing impaired and would love if some brain implant could fix me. I already almost have this, with a cochlear implant (it's not technically in the brain, but it is an implant in my head). It's not enough for me, though, cause my hearing still sucks.
Oh, I i thought the cochlear implants made it like being able to hear normally, is that not the case?
They can and I had hoped they were gonna for me. But my problem must be heavily neurological. The cochlear implant did help some, I'm a far cry from normal hearing (I especially struggle with accents, low tones, and when sounds overlap).
My vision's been going since my forties, and since the notion of cyber-eyes in the 80s I've imagined one day getting some nice Canons or Nikons and being able to read at a KM.
But we don't have the kind of tech support now we did then, and instead get connected to some chatbot with a small troubleshooting tree. Also current brain interfaces might kill me or worse leave me alive and impaired.
The purpose of dystopian sci-fi is to help us understand these kinds of things. If Black Mirror helps you think about how technology will impact our future, all the power to you.
W take
I want to want this so badly. Made with full transparency by someone I can trust the idea is ssssooooo cool. Unfortunately this thing will be born fully enshittified and the ability to have the definitions of words I don't understand just float into my field of vision as I'm reading them isn't cool enough to negate the constant, nagging urge to buy myself a new Ford truck with the extra expensive trim package and for some reason when I think about financing it out for 10 years at 35% I get a feeling I haven't felt since the first time I held my newborn child.
if it's foss then maybe
Even then I wouldn't trust it. Getting hacked or getting a virus could become a life or death scenario.
It would certainly require us to take data security seriously, and be ready to hit companies hard when their proprietary stuff causes public harm.
So yeah, a scary thing right now.
you could make it yourself
Imagine unairgaping your brain. Couldn't be me.
Unless I can use it to learn kung fu or make money selling my body as a battery ala The Matrix, what even is the point?
If people want it then let them have it
This is the first repost I've seen on lemmy.
Truly a sad day.
Who cares
Apparently not you
Aylmao.
Sadly common sense is not that common nowadays
Common sense has always been a thought-terminating cliché. Even Disney has an old PSA cartoon about the notion (featuring the old term, horse sense ).
At best, common sense reflects the notions that arguments should be obviously true and agreeable. But it's better if we actually express them.
So in the case of neuro-interfaced microchips, the installation procedure is still high risk, and there aren't any useful purposes for them worth the risk. Maybe at the point it restores consciousness to a comatose patient, or eyesight to the blind.
Overrated-ass show.
Now you can have unskippable ads in your dreams!
Outside of having some debilitating problem that can only be fixed with a microchip in my brain; I’m opting out.
But if I was blind and it allowed me to see, sign me up.
My brain just installed the new funky mode dlc