Are there really people that think incognito does anything but clear your session history and cookies?
You'd be surprised. Lemmy is more tech-literate than the average internet user
Yeah you're probably right. I saw someone the other day that thinks duckduckgo is a VPN
To be fair to that person, they do have a service that gets labeled as a VPN on Android.
Maybe, but I'm not very tech literate, and this seems pretty obvious.
The website that’s solution to computer problems is to switch to linux? We’re more tech literate than most people?
Yes, the average person doesn't know how to install Linux or what a distro is. That's a fact. If you can successfully switch to Linux you are BY FAR more tech literate than most. Doesn't mean you're smart though.
Apologies if my sarcasm wasn’t obvious, yeah a decent portion of people don’t know anything about their computer
I use it for exactly that to keep my porn sites off my search suggestions.
Don't do that...
Don't do what?
Don't use google chrome
I want 'em to watch
Are there really people that think there aren't people that think incognito does something more than clear your session history and cookies?
Are there really people who think that there aren't people who think that there really are people that think there aren't people that think incognito does something more than clear your session history and cookies?
You'd be surprised. There are college students with no notion of files and directories/folders... even in computer engineering.
Speaking of incognito mode, many users, young or old, have no basic knowledge of how internet works (server, client, web browser...) and jumped straight into smartphones. Many can and will confuse the state of 'leaving no trace behind after' vs 'not being watched now'.
Also Google: "We see you're using a VPN, mind identifying 87 fire hydrants for us?"
I'm sorry, we decided that for this picture, mopeds count as bicycles. Please start over.
I'm sick and tired of this actually.
In all seriousness. I know the purpose of incognito. I use it because
A) It's easy to visit websites when gift shipping so you don't have to logoff/into sites.
B) I don't have to worry about wiping my history haha.
Isn't the main reason so you can search your stupid questions and not have to worry about them coming up in the autofill later?
That's my use.
Also when I want to watch some YouTube video but not to fuck my watchlist history.
This is 1000% what I use it for lol
For A) check out Firefox and its Multi-account containers, it's really great!
but don't forget to wipe something else, mate.
You can be damn sure you're absolutely incognito!*
* to everyone except Google
And the website owner... oh, and your ISP, and the search engine provider and... well, let's cut this short: The only person you are incognito to is yo mama when she wants to see your browser history.
Not even that if she is a lawyer
Well, to the website owner you are incognito, as well as to your search engine provider (unless, of course, your search engine provider is also your browser owner, but that would be stupid, wouldn't it?).
You're right with the ISP, though you can use VPN for that.
I hate to be the one who tears the band-aid off, but... what do you think "incognito mode" does? And how do you think do search engine providers and website owners identify you on the web?
All "incognito mode" does is ignore any existing browser cache and delete it's own cache after the window is closed. So you are logged out, yes. But that doesn't mean anything. Any browser-fingerprint, anything else will be more or less the same: IP, OS, Screen size, combination of browser and OS version, etc.
Google will know who visited. Facebook will know who visited.
And it has separate storage for cookies, local storage, session storage and generally all other storage. And in Firefox, the list of plugins is also different (which is also a source of fingerprinting). If I'm not mistaken, the canvas and similar fingerprints were patched a while ago.
IP is pretty much irrelevant, hundreds of people can easily share an IP.
So no, Google and Facebook won't know who visited.
Incognito mode doesn't hide your IP address, nor your user-agent, nor your operating system and its exact version, nor anything your browser/system is willing to share, like position, apps installed, photographs, contacts etc.
IP is pretty much irrelevant, hundreds of people can easily share an IP.
LOL. Absolutely not. An IP address is unique to your internet line and can't be shared. Some internet providers will even dynamically change your IP address from time to time (usually between a few weeks). So, until you live in a hundreds of people village sharing a single box... you know what I mean.
And it has separate storage for cookies, local storage, session storage and generally all other storage
indexedDB, file system, localStorage and sessionStorage access is strictly domain based data, thus already separated. Only third party cookies can be shared across domains.
I'm a web developer in an adtech company. GDPR prevent us to store any type of data on the user's computer. We use incognito mode to reset the cookie consent (for development purposes). The only thing incognito mode can do is preventing websites to directly trade user information. It doesn't prevent them to get and store any information. One of the legal role of GDPR is to prevent websites to store and trade user information (among other things).
Even disabling JavaScript can't prevent the server to get and store enough information to identify you, as everything is logged. The header of any HTTP Request already gives a lot.
So no, Google and Facebook won’t know who visited.
Google Ad Manager is installed everywhere. A single script that communicates every single of your interactions, from which browser, which location, which OS, which computer chip etc. You're naked. Incognito doesn't change anything.
What a coincidence, I'm an architect in an adtech company!
So, IPs can and are shared. For example because there's hardly enough for every device connected. And yes, I used to live in a village where everyone had the same IP. But that's beyond the point, every device on your home network has the same IP and ad companies don't really want to have bad data about you, which would happen if anyone actually used IP for tracking.
I thought the way fingerprinting works is to try to get a bunch of semi-personal information, which together can identify a single person?
Like there's plenty of people using a 1920x1080p display. Doesn't stop companies from using that as part of their fingerprinting.
Sure, your entire town might share an IP. That just means you've narrowed your search field from the entire world to one town.
This is exactly how fingerprinting works.
By crossing enough data.
Some values might change, like IPs for instance, but never at the same time.
To make it simple, like the famous Akinator, say you only need 10 values to identify someone with 100% certainty. Store 15 of them, and by the time one of them changes, you still have 14 values to identify with 100% certainty the user. You can then update your pool of data for this particular user.
Being an architect doesn’t mean you understand the codebase.
By the way, having 1000 people’s IP changing at the exact same time makes it even easier for fingerprinting, because you only have to get one user’s location to get the 999 others.
For example because there’s hardly enough for every device connected
There are 4,294,967,296 IPv4 address (2^32^) and 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 IPv6 addresses (2^128^)
So... yeah... sure...
Well, if that's how you use your data, I wouldn't really want to be the one doing any kind of analysis on it. And I certainly wouldn't want to pay for that as your customer.
Fortunately, I don’t have to work with “architects”, I work with developers.
Lucky you, just making stuff up as you go without having someone think about the bigger picture! Seems to work well so far.
Anyway, blocking you, got kinda tired of this.
Next time, try to argue with actual facts. I know it's harder than just pretending, like every what-a-conincidence-I-work-in-the-same-area-as-you dudes...
Incognito mode just switches on a ton more tracking cause everyone wants to know what your secret searches are, rather than the boring shit you usually search!
Are there really people that think incognito does anything but clear your session history and cookies?
You'd be surprised. Lemmy is more tech-literate than the average internet user
Yeah you're probably right. I saw someone the other day that thinks duckduckgo is a VPN
To be fair to that person, they do have a service that gets labeled as a VPN on Android.
Maybe, but I'm not very tech literate, and this seems pretty obvious.
The website that’s solution to computer problems is to switch to linux? We’re more tech literate than most people?
Yes, the average person doesn't know how to install Linux or what a distro is. That's a fact. If you can successfully switch to Linux you are BY FAR more tech literate than most. Doesn't mean you're smart though.
Apologies if my sarcasm wasn’t obvious, yeah a decent portion of people don’t know anything about their computer
I use it for exactly that to keep my porn sites off my search suggestions.
Don't do that...
Don't do what?
Don't use google chrome
I want 'em to watch
Are there really people that think there aren't people that think incognito does something more than clear your session history and cookies?
Are there really people who think that there aren't people who think that there really are people that think there aren't people that think incognito does something more than clear your session history and cookies?
You'd be surprised. There are college students with no notion of files and directories/folders... even in computer engineering.
Speaking of incognito mode, many users, young or old, have no basic knowledge of how internet works (server, client, web browser...) and jumped straight into smartphones. Many can and will confuse the state of 'leaving no trace behind after' vs 'not being watched now'.
Also Google: "We see you're using a VPN, mind identifying 87 fire hydrants for us?"
I'm sorry, we decided that for this picture, mopeds count as bicycles. Please start over.
I'm sick and tired of this actually.
In all seriousness. I know the purpose of incognito. I use it because
A) It's easy to visit websites when gift shipping so you don't have to logoff/into sites.
B) I don't have to worry about wiping my history haha.
Isn't the main reason so you can search your stupid questions and not have to worry about them coming up in the autofill later?
That's my use.
Also when I want to watch some YouTube video but not to fuck my watchlist history.
This is 1000% what I use it for lol
For A) check out Firefox and its Multi-account containers, it's really great!
but don't forget to wipe something else, mate.
You can be damn sure you're absolutely incognito!*
* to everyone except Google
And the website owner... oh, and your ISP, and the search engine provider and... well, let's cut this short: The only person you are incognito to is yo mama when she wants to see your browser history.
Not even that if she is a lawyer
Well, to the website owner you are incognito, as well as to your search engine provider (unless, of course, your search engine provider is also your browser owner, but that would be stupid, wouldn't it?).
You're right with the ISP, though you can use VPN for that.
I hate to be the one who tears the band-aid off, but... what do you think "incognito mode" does? And how do you think do search engine providers and website owners identify you on the web?
All "incognito mode" does is ignore any existing browser cache and delete it's own cache after the window is closed. So you are logged out, yes. But that doesn't mean anything. Any browser-fingerprint, anything else will be more or less the same: IP, OS, Screen size, combination of browser and OS version, etc.
Google will know who visited. Facebook will know who visited.
And it has separate storage for cookies, local storage, session storage and generally all other storage. And in Firefox, the list of plugins is also different (which is also a source of fingerprinting). If I'm not mistaken, the canvas and similar fingerprints were patched a while ago.
IP is pretty much irrelevant, hundreds of people can easily share an IP.
So no, Google and Facebook won't know who visited.
Incognito mode doesn't hide your IP address, nor your user-agent, nor your operating system and its exact version, nor anything your browser/system is willing to share, like position, apps installed, photographs, contacts etc.
LOL. Absolutely not. An IP address is unique to your internet line and can't be shared. Some internet providers will even dynamically change your IP address from time to time (usually between a few weeks). So, until you live in a hundreds of people village sharing a single box... you know what I mean.
indexedDB, file system, localStorage and sessionStorage access is strictly domain based data, thus already separated. Only third party cookies can be shared across domains.
I'm a web developer in an adtech company. GDPR prevent us to store any type of data on the user's computer. We use incognito mode to reset the cookie consent (for development purposes). The only thing incognito mode can do is preventing websites to directly trade user information. It doesn't prevent them to get and store any information. One of the legal role of GDPR is to prevent websites to store and trade user information (among other things).
Even disabling JavaScript can't prevent the server to get and store enough information to identify you, as everything is logged. The header of any HTTP Request already gives a lot.
Google Ad Manager is installed everywhere. A single script that communicates every single of your interactions, from which browser, which location, which OS, which computer chip etc. You're naked. Incognito doesn't change anything.
What a coincidence, I'm an architect in an adtech company!
So, IPs can and are shared. For example because there's hardly enough for every device connected. And yes, I used to live in a village where everyone had the same IP. But that's beyond the point, every device on your home network has the same IP and ad companies don't really want to have bad data about you, which would happen if anyone actually used IP for tracking.
I thought the way fingerprinting works is to try to get a bunch of semi-personal information, which together can identify a single person?
Like there's plenty of people using a 1920x1080p display. Doesn't stop companies from using that as part of their fingerprinting.
Sure, your entire town might share an IP. That just means you've narrowed your search field from the entire world to one town.
This is exactly how fingerprinting works.
By crossing enough data.
Some values might change, like IPs for instance, but never at the same time.
To make it simple, like the famous Akinator, say you only need 10 values to identify someone with 100% certainty. Store 15 of them, and by the time one of them changes, you still have 14 values to identify with 100% certainty the user. You can then update your pool of data for this particular user.
Being an architect doesn’t mean you understand the codebase.
By the way, having 1000 people’s IP changing at the exact same time makes it even easier for fingerprinting, because you only have to get one user’s location to get the 999 others.
There are 4,294,967,296 IPv4 address (2^32^) and 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 IPv6 addresses (2^128^)
So... yeah... sure...
Well, if that's how you use your data, I wouldn't really want to be the one doing any kind of analysis on it. And I certainly wouldn't want to pay for that as your customer.
Fortunately, I don’t have to work with “architects”, I work with developers.
Lucky you, just making stuff up as you go without having someone think about the bigger picture! Seems to work well so far.
Anyway, blocking you, got kinda tired of this.
Next time, try to argue with actual facts. I know it's harder than just pretending, like every what-a-conincidence-I-work-in-the-same-area-as-you dudes...
Incognito mode just switches on a ton more tracking cause everyone wants to know what your secret searches are, rather than the boring shit you usually search!