Wow, that's more than were killed in the WTC terrorist attacks.
But instead of trying to stop it, we buy bigger and bigger vehicles.
that's why they want trains
my grandma is too close for a train but too far for a walk, perfect for a bike if we didnt have a left turn onto 55mph highway with no sidewalks as our only route to her
give me fucking bike lanes i hate being trapped in this house because of bad infrastructure, at least a sidewalk to seperate me from traffic
Bike lanes tend to be really dangerous. Better to bike with traffic on side streets and on busy streets you really want a separated bike path rather than a shared road.
yeah i was referring to seperated bike lanes, we have shitty painted bike gutters already
Could petition the city to install a bike bridge over the highway. There are a few cities out there with similar constructions in place.
Hey, now. Trains do end the occasional pedestrian, but it's not so much hit as much obliterate
🎼 We don't need no gas fueled cars,
I love the idea of trains, have always loved trains when I was younger, and until very recently had never been on one. My brother purchased tickets for me and my boyfriend to go visit him and so I was very excited to finally get on the train. The thing i didnt really think about was the fact that I get car sick in SUVs and trucks if im not driving because of the softness of the suspension and body roll. The train is a bit bouncy. The trip down was me sleeping for like 30 mins or so, getting up to throw up in the bathroom, repeat for about 19 hours. I felt terribly nauseous and had migrane the entire time.
The trip back I was prepared, I had those anti-car sock glasses and some dramamine, I took it, fell asleep for about 8 hours. Woke up and was okay interms of not feeling sick or anything. But then the train stopped, not at a station, in the middle of a field. They told us there was some freight cargo on the line ahead and we had to wait for a moment. We were there for three hours. The lady next to us had a ticket for a different train to get on after this one, and it was for two hours after our scheduled arrival time. Well she missed it because we arrived 3 hours late.
I know train infustructure would help, and I've always been a proponent of better public transport networks...but now I hate the train 😟. I would rather drive.
There is something to be said for the convenience of cars to be able to start driving in your own time, but for every story like that there is another with someone stuck in traffic for 3 hours because of a major accident on the highway.
That being the case, cars are still going to have their niche for situations where Grandma lives far away from any major city and the closest train station is a 3 hour bus ride away, running twice daily at 6am and 4pm. Can't say I am sympathetic to the FuckCars crowd in that regard, nor do I think we should be dismissive of efforts to make driving more environmentally friendly just because trains are better.
The current situation with trains is shit because we as a country have allowed it to deteriorate.
Waiting 3 hours for a freight train is one such example. The majority of rail lines are owned by freight companies, so they give their own trails priority over passenger trains. That shit is unacceptable.
What country?
United States of America
We already have trains, I want more electric/hydro powered bus coverage and more bike storage lockers 🥺
We can never have enough TRAAAAIIIINNNNSSSS
Fast trains so that you can be restricted in exactly when you can visit and still pay for it. And then have to walk the rest of the distance from the train station to her house. There is so many flaws people just failrefuse to see.
Good? For people without mobility restrictions having a short walk as part of traveling or commuting is a good thing. And for everything longer than a few minutes there should be bus, tram and light rail access.
And how long of a walk? I'm not walking 15 miles to go see Grandma I'm just gonna drive.
15 miles is solidly within train territory, I'm talking a 5 minute walk. Everything past that should ideally be connected via bus or tram
New York City tried that and we ended up with a subway full of crack addicts, homelessness, public nudity, etc. Trains should either be for a long trip but only once in a while or a last resort in a large city.
I visited NYC a while back. The subway impressed me. People call it dirty and say it is full of crackheads. Despite this, it was clean and orderly during my visit.
Is that a public transport problem or a US culture problem?
How often do you ride the subway? Thousands of people take the subway in NYC everyday of all income levels, it's a pretty big success.
last resort
what do you suggest we do in large cities then?
Cars. I mean it works well enough right now and there isn't any good solution other than them.
Cars in big cities are horrible. Terribly inefficient, requiring orders of magnitude more infrastructure, killing air quality and pedestrians alike, and leading to even more suburban sprawl. Cars are not compatible with high population density.
If years of trolley problems have taught me anything, it's that you can still kill all the pedestrians you want with your train as long as you make the right choices.
Trains really rule.
So do grandmas. Usually.
Yeah, one of my grandmas is the sweetest lady I know of. The other one? Yeah let's not talk about her.
Same
i think if killing pedestrians is a common occurrence for you then you should really stay off the roads.
Got to get Grandma's heart transplant somehow.
Killing pedestrians is a common occurance for car based transportation
In 2022 in the EU+EFTA, 106446 pedestrians were injured, 3785 were killed.
Wow, that's more than were killed in the WTC terrorist attacks.
But instead of trying to stop it, we buy bigger and bigger vehicles.
that's why they want trains
my grandma is too close for a train but too far for a walk, perfect for a bike if we didnt have a left turn onto 55mph highway with no sidewalks as our only route to her
give me fucking bike lanes i hate being trapped in this house because of bad infrastructure, at least a sidewalk to seperate me from traffic
Bike lanes tend to be really dangerous. Better to bike with traffic on side streets and on busy streets you really want a separated bike path rather than a shared road.
yeah i was referring to seperated bike lanes, we have shitty painted bike gutters already
Could petition the city to install a bike bridge over the highway. There are a few cities out there with similar constructions in place.
Hey, now. Trains do end the occasional pedestrian, but it's not so much hit as much obliterate
🎼 We don't need no gas fueled cars,
I love the idea of trains, have always loved trains when I was younger, and until very recently had never been on one. My brother purchased tickets for me and my boyfriend to go visit him and so I was very excited to finally get on the train. The thing i didnt really think about was the fact that I get car sick in SUVs and trucks if im not driving because of the softness of the suspension and body roll. The train is a bit bouncy. The trip down was me sleeping for like 30 mins or so, getting up to throw up in the bathroom, repeat for about 19 hours. I felt terribly nauseous and had migrane the entire time.
The trip back I was prepared, I had those anti-car sock glasses and some dramamine, I took it, fell asleep for about 8 hours. Woke up and was okay interms of not feeling sick or anything. But then the train stopped, not at a station, in the middle of a field. They told us there was some freight cargo on the line ahead and we had to wait for a moment. We were there for three hours. The lady next to us had a ticket for a different train to get on after this one, and it was for two hours after our scheduled arrival time. Well she missed it because we arrived 3 hours late.
I know train infustructure would help, and I've always been a proponent of better public transport networks...but now I hate the train 😟. I would rather drive.
There is something to be said for the convenience of cars to be able to start driving in your own time, but for every story like that there is another with someone stuck in traffic for 3 hours because of a major accident on the highway.
That being the case, cars are still going to have their niche for situations where Grandma lives far away from any major city and the closest train station is a 3 hour bus ride away, running twice daily at 6am and 4pm. Can't say I am sympathetic to the FuckCars crowd in that regard, nor do I think we should be dismissive of efforts to make driving more environmentally friendly just because trains are better.
The current situation with trains is shit because we as a country have allowed it to deteriorate.
Waiting 3 hours for a freight train is one such example. The majority of rail lines are owned by freight companies, so they give their own trails priority over passenger trains. That shit is unacceptable.
What country?
United States of America
We already have trains, I want more electric/hydro powered bus coverage and more bike storage lockers 🥺
We can never have enough TRAAAAIIIINNNNSSSS
Fast trains so that you can be restricted in exactly when you can visit and still pay for it. And then have to walk the rest of the distance from the train station to her house. There is so many flaws people just
failrefuse to see.Good? For people without mobility restrictions having a short walk as part of traveling or commuting is a good thing. And for everything longer than a few minutes there should be bus, tram and light rail access.
And how long of a walk? I'm not walking 15 miles to go see Grandma I'm just gonna drive.
15 miles is solidly within train territory, I'm talking a 5 minute walk. Everything past that should ideally be connected via bus or tram
New York City tried that and we ended up with a subway full of crack addicts, homelessness, public nudity, etc. Trains should either be for a long trip but only once in a while or a last resort in a large city.
I visited NYC a while back. The subway impressed me. People call it dirty and say it is full of crackheads. Despite this, it was clean and orderly during my visit.
Is that a public transport problem or a US culture problem?
How often do you ride the subway? Thousands of people take the subway in NYC everyday of all income levels, it's a pretty big success.
what do you suggest we do in large cities then?
Cars. I mean it works well enough right now and there isn't any good solution other than them.
Cars in big cities are horrible. Terribly inefficient, requiring orders of magnitude more infrastructure, killing air quality and pedestrians alike, and leading to even more suburban sprawl. Cars are not compatible with high population density.
If years of trolley problems have taught me anything, it's that you can still kill all the pedestrians you want with your train as long as you make the right choices.