No shit, check the list of countries who cut informations from their people and you’ll easily understand why it causes a backlash.
China, Iran, North Korea to name a few.
Every day, we stray further away from democracy with Macron.
Le Pen is gonna win next time and it will be mainly because of him.
Well most of the EU countries including France blocked all media channels from Russia
Media channels from Russia are basically just spouting putin propaganda so why would they want to be subjected to that?
Many countries are spewing propaganda bullshit, including and in majority coming from USA.
I don't think media channels from USA should be blocked.
Switzerland is doing the right thing, they never blocked any news channel or limiting freedom of speech in that way.
Freedom of speech should never be given as an excuse for allowing hate speech, racism, bigotry, fascism or anything else on that vein a platform.
The paradox of tolerance is not taught to as many people as it should be.
The problem comes when you let the government decide what is "hate speech, racism, bigotry, fascism".
It gives government too much power to control the opposition by censorship.
What, as apposed to corporations and companies like Twitter, Facebook and reddit? Lol
Including corporations, that's why we are all on lemmy, is it not? 😉
What exactly do you propose to do about hate speech, racism, bigotry and fascism being spread on social media as propaganda, ignore it and hope no one sees it and gets radicalized? We're already seeing people become terrorists after being radicalized by Internet media. and you would have us just hope we're not in the line of fire when it happens again, I guess?
First of all, the USA is not the center of the world, the problems you guys have with mass shooting is not caused by the "hate speech".
And again banning hate speech is just masking the deeper institutional/educational problems you have, not solving them.
I literally showed you an example where someone was radicalized by hate speech on the internet. Here is another example. I can keep providing them if you would like.
Again, should we just ignore that and hope we're not in the line of fire?
And again banning hate speech is just masking the deeper institutional/educational problems you have, not solving them.
This is a false dichotomy.
As someone born and raised in the USA, countries elsewhere absolutely should be blocking virtually all of our news media. We're a toxic cesspool of entertainment/propaganda news, with an increasingly deadly end result for its consumers, and those around them.
The agenda of the super rich relies very very heavily on our lying, greed-driven news media.
Uh huh.
Please explain how preventing your citizens from using any social media & blocking an openly imperialistic county & known bad actor from propagandizing your citizens are similar.
Spoiler: it is not.
USA is an openly imperialistic country also 😬 .
Should we block all media from them?
Imperialism isn’t the reason for blocking. It’s the propagandizing Russia does and the fact they are in open conflict invading another country.
Interesting, so like the USA is doing?
Bit different blocking a rouge nation and your own citizens.
You are blocking your own citizens to access the media.
Meaning the government is actively curating the viewpoint to the citizens. Same like China is doing no?
Wtf does this have to do with some degenerate country's right to shill their low intellect propaganda?
Same could be said for USA.
Because the person above mentioned China, Iran, North Korea blocking media for political reasons. I mentioned that EU countries are doing the same.
We should not have double standards.
If france wants to ban american propaganda, I am sure no american will shed a tear lol
Everyone agree that's the state has authority over foreign bad actor speach. We are discussing here state censoring their own citizen's peach which is highly problematic esp in so called "democracies"
If france wants to ban american propaganda, I am sure no american will shed a tear lol
I strongly disagree. If they didn't care they wouldn't be buying media companies abroad.
Everyone agree that’s the state has authority over foreign bad actor speach. We are discussing here state censoring their own citizen’s peach which is highly problematic esp in so called “democracies”
Not everyone agrees. Allowing a government to decide who is a bad actor and ban the media is bad, that's how countries fall into dictatorships and create narrative for their citizens.
Just look at nazi Germany.
You are clearly missing the point and don't understand how the laws work.
As always working nAzI GerManY into dicussion lol
All countries permit the state to censor foreign speach... Most citizens accept this, censoring citizen speach is the issue.
Not every country has the same law, the fact that the law exists doesn't mean its a good law.
Its forbidden to mention nazi Germany? I guess we should just forget about it and let it happen again, because it hurts your argument.
Well, these are blocked, but if you want to watch RTR Planeta, you can go to the official VGTRK web site and watch it there. Not a big deal... There are only a few media web sites which are banned, most of the toxic shit is still there in the open.
I thought he wanted less rioting? But go on, cut off social media and see how many riots there are.
It should spark backlash everywhere. Not just France ffs
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Fuck Macron. I hope the left coalition can rally and get that fucker out of office
Unfortunately his main opponent, Le Pen, is a straight-up fascist. France seriously needs better options than him and Le Pen.
Well he's on his last term, and his political party will not survive him. Who knows how the next presidential elections will go?
Macron is going to have an anarchist state if he keeps this up and makes these volatile choices and statements. My gosh.
Anarchism<3
He is not going to stop, people outside France need to understand this. This man, despite his mild mannered centrist exterior, is an authoritarian. He will stop at nothing short of full tilt censorship. Environmental and political activists are being jailed for no reason while fascist groups run amok. This is bad.
No shit, check the list of countries who cut informations from their people and you’ll easily understand why it causes a backlash.
China, Iran, North Korea to name a few.
Every day, we stray further away from democracy with Macron. Le Pen is gonna win next time and it will be mainly because of him.
Well most of the EU countries including France blocked all media channels from Russia
Media channels from Russia are basically just spouting putin propaganda so why would they want to be subjected to that?
Many countries are spewing propaganda bullshit, including and in majority coming from USA. I don't think media channels from USA should be blocked.
Switzerland is doing the right thing, they never blocked any news channel or limiting freedom of speech in that way.
Freedom of speech should never be given as an excuse for allowing hate speech, racism, bigotry, fascism or anything else on that vein a platform.
The paradox of tolerance is not taught to as many people as it should be.
The problem comes when you let the government decide what is "hate speech, racism, bigotry, fascism". It gives government too much power to control the opposition by censorship.
What, as apposed to corporations and companies like Twitter, Facebook and reddit? Lol
Including corporations, that's why we are all on lemmy, is it not? 😉
What exactly do you propose to do about hate speech, racism, bigotry and fascism being spread on social media as propaganda, ignore it and hope no one sees it and gets radicalized? We're already seeing people become terrorists after being radicalized by Internet media. and you would have us just hope we're not in the line of fire when it happens again, I guess?
First of all, the USA is not the center of the world, the problems you guys have with mass shooting is not caused by the "hate speech".
And again banning hate speech is just masking the deeper institutional/educational problems you have, not solving them.
I literally showed you an example where someone was radicalized by hate speech on the internet. Here is another example. I can keep providing them if you would like.
And it's not just an American problem.
Again, should we just ignore that and hope we're not in the line of fire?
This is a false dichotomy.
As someone born and raised in the USA, countries elsewhere absolutely should be blocking virtually all of our news media. We're a toxic cesspool of entertainment/propaganda news, with an increasingly deadly end result for its consumers, and those around them.
The agenda of the super rich relies very very heavily on our lying, greed-driven news media.
Uh huh.
Please explain how preventing your citizens from using any social media & blocking an openly imperialistic county & known bad actor from propagandizing your citizens are similar.
Spoiler: it is not.
USA is an openly imperialistic country also 😬 . Should we block all media from them?
Imperialism isn’t the reason for blocking. It’s the propagandizing Russia does and the fact they are in open conflict invading another country.
Interesting, so like the USA is doing?
Bit different blocking a rouge nation and your own citizens.
You are blocking your own citizens to access the media. Meaning the government is actively curating the viewpoint to the citizens. Same like China is doing no?
Wtf does this have to do with some degenerate country's right to shill their low intellect propaganda?
Same could be said for USA. Because the person above mentioned China, Iran, North Korea blocking media for political reasons. I mentioned that EU countries are doing the same. We should not have double standards.
If france wants to ban american propaganda, I am sure no american will shed a tear lol
Everyone agree that's the state has authority over foreign bad actor speach. We are discussing here state censoring their own citizen's peach which is highly problematic esp in so called "democracies"
I strongly disagree. If they didn't care they wouldn't be buying media companies abroad.
Not everyone agrees. Allowing a government to decide who is a bad actor and ban the media is bad, that's how countries fall into dictatorships and create narrative for their citizens. Just look at nazi Germany.
You are clearly missing the point and don't understand how the laws work.
As always working nAzI GerManY into dicussion lol
All countries permit the state to censor foreign speach... Most citizens accept this, censoring citizen speach is the issue.
Not every country has the same law, the fact that the law exists doesn't mean its a good law.
Its forbidden to mention nazi Germany? I guess we should just forget about it and let it happen again, because it hurts your argument.
What do you mean? Everything works like before.
Can you open one of this websites?
https://rt.com
https://rtr-planeta.com
Well, these are blocked, but if you want to watch RTR Planeta, you can go to the official VGTRK web site and watch it there. Not a big deal... There are only a few media web sites which are banned, most of the toxic shit is still there in the open.
I thought he wanted less rioting? But go on, cut off social media and see how many riots there are.
It should spark backlash everywhere. Not just France ffs
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Fuck Macron. I hope the left coalition can rally and get that fucker out of office
Unfortunately his main opponent, Le Pen, is a straight-up fascist. France seriously needs better options than him and Le Pen.
Well he's on his last term, and his political party will not survive him. Who knows how the next presidential elections will go?
Macron is going to have an anarchist state if he keeps this up and makes these volatile choices and statements. My gosh.
Anarchism<3
He is not going to stop, people outside France need to understand this. This man, despite his mild mannered centrist exterior, is an authoritarian. He will stop at nothing short of full tilt censorship. Environmental and political activists are being jailed for no reason while fascist groups run amok. This is bad.