buying a 'dumb' tv is getting harder and harder to do...
how long until you are forced to hook a new 'smart' one up to the internet, just to "set it up"--even if you have no plans on ever using the 'smart' features or embedded apps?
Looking forward to the 1 yr free trial of my new TV, before I have to subsribe to Samsung+ for just 15.99 per month to turn it on.
I cannot stand how believable this scenario is.
Unlock additional HDMI ports for only $5.99 a month!
Roku tvs already do that, you even need to put in a credit card number for it to work.
You can choose not to connect a Roku TV to the Internet during the initial setup, and you just get access to live TV and the HDMI inputs with (obviously) no streaming channels or updates. It works fine as a dumb TV.
And the credit card thing? That's after you create your account on their website, you can just close the browser window. Or click the button saying "skip" or "later" or whatever it is.
Was helping family with setting it up, I guess I didn't see that
They don't make it obvious at all, in fact they do their best to seem like you can't
If you buy a Sony Bravia you can put them into “pro mode” which keeps all the signal processing, but lets you turn off android.
That's good to know!
Agreed. You can buy the displays that are marketed to businesses and usually come without all of the invasive smart features.
They definitely cost more on average, but they’re also built to run more often or constantly, and hold up far better. They’re even a lot more customizable.
You can buy some that come with slots where you put in a raspberry pi or another computer of your choice, instead of whatever OS that comes with smart tvs.
At this point, I’m starting to regularly check if there are “for business customers” options available when I need something, because the options for regular consumers are getting so bad with all this data hoarding and ad pushing.
Just don’t connect it to the internet.
That’s the point they are making. Currently that’s possible. But what is stopping the producers to force you to hook it up to the internet?
O… damn.
Not buying the tv might work… at mass. Like everyone. Please people, vote with your wallet/privacy.
Not gonna happen. People are fine with that.
They already do, vizio sets and roku TV sets require an internet connection as soon as you power it on to set it up
roku because you 'need' an account to use (try here for one without a payment method requirement).
vizio must be a new thing for the current models. mine (bought last year, and was "last year's" model then) didn't need a net connection to set up for using as a 'monitor'.
I can’t figure out why the cheap TCL I bought 5 years ago isn’t packed with ads. Maybe because it’s Roku-based?
Disturbing; thanks for sharing that. Seems like the Roku flavor may be okay-ish, but I just walled it off from rest of home network anyway.
Yeah, TCL was the front-runner when I was looking for a non-smart TV until I saw that. :( I ended up just going with a samsung and hoping for the best. I've not noticed anything annoying, but we're probably going to switch back to a PC hooked up to the TV with all the subscription problems / price jacking lately.
Functionally, it’s proven to be a really great TV, particularly at the price point. At most, only one ad in the interface, and it’s for a movie typically.
Get a projector and a screen. They're all dumb.
Not always an option. You'd need to dim the lights every time and - most importantly - have a whole spare wall in your home.
Im sure you could mount a rollup projector screen anywhere you would put your TV, but your first point is huge. The light issue is a huge non starter
Two of our TVs hang from the arms in the corners and one occupies a bookshelf. I am not sure it would work that well with a screen that's less than a meter wide.
I've tried getting a way too cheap, really bad projector running Android to work once. From Wish or something, I guess. It was a truly unpleasant experience. Fortunately, it wasn't mine!
Also, I had a good ol' dumb Epson projector 10-15 years ago, but it had a very noisy fan, meaning you had to always turn up your HiFi to try and camouflage the fan noise in louder sound than you else would've had. Are low-end consumer projectors still that noisy?
I have a Ben-Q and sit under it without noticing fan noise at all. It's 1080p and the lights don't need to be dimmed. The projector screen is mounted to the ceiling so I just roll it up when I'm done.
That's good to know! Mine was only 720p "HD ready", though I remember the image quality as being decent. I just had a white wall, though it actually looked fine on e.g. a blue wall too. I still have it somewhere, but the lamp is broken. Thought of fixing it last time I found it, since a replacement lamp isn't too expensive, but decided it wasn't worth it because of the fan noise...
Been awhile but boy I really feel like my LG setup was pretty darn close to this sort of experience.
buying a 'dumb' tv is getting harder and harder to do...
how long until you are forced to hook a new 'smart' one up to the internet, just to "set it up"--even if you have no plans on ever using the 'smart' features or embedded apps?
Looking forward to the 1 yr free trial of my new TV, before I have to subsribe to Samsung+ for just 15.99 per month to turn it on.
I cannot stand how believable this scenario is.
Unlock additional HDMI ports for only $5.99 a month!
Roku tvs already do that, you even need to put in a credit card number for it to work.
You can choose not to connect a Roku TV to the Internet during the initial setup, and you just get access to live TV and the HDMI inputs with (obviously) no streaming channels or updates. It works fine as a dumb TV.
And the credit card thing? That's after you create your account on their website, you can just close the browser window. Or click the button saying "skip" or "later" or whatever it is.
Was helping family with setting it up, I guess I didn't see that
They don't make it obvious at all, in fact they do their best to seem like you can't
does this link to make an account without a payment method not work anymore?
https://my.roku.com/signup/nocc
If you buy a Sony Bravia you can put them into “pro mode” which keeps all the signal processing, but lets you turn off android.
That's good to know!
Agreed. You can buy the displays that are marketed to businesses and usually come without all of the invasive smart features.
They definitely cost more on average, but they’re also built to run more often or constantly, and hold up far better. They’re even a lot more customizable.
You can buy some that come with slots where you put in a raspberry pi or another computer of your choice, instead of whatever OS that comes with smart tvs.
At this point, I’m starting to regularly check if there are “for business customers” options available when I need something, because the options for regular consumers are getting so bad with all this data hoarding and ad pushing.
Just don’t connect it to the internet.
That’s the point they are making. Currently that’s possible. But what is stopping the producers to force you to hook it up to the internet?
O… damn.
Not buying the tv might work… at mass. Like everyone. Please people, vote with your wallet/privacy.
Not gonna happen. People are fine with that.
They already do, vizio sets and roku TV sets require an internet connection as soon as you power it on to set it up
roku because you 'need' an account to use (try here for one without a payment method requirement).
vizio must be a new thing for the current models. mine (bought last year, and was "last year's" model then) didn't need a net connection to set up for using as a 'monitor'.
I can’t figure out why the cheap TCL I bought 5 years ago isn’t packed with ads. Maybe because it’s Roku-based?
Probably because it's Chinese spyware. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tcl-smart-tv-security-flaws
Disturbing; thanks for sharing that. Seems like the Roku flavor may be okay-ish, but I just walled it off from rest of home network anyway.
Yeah, TCL was the front-runner when I was looking for a non-smart TV until I saw that. :( I ended up just going with a samsung and hoping for the best. I've not noticed anything annoying, but we're probably going to switch back to a PC hooked up to the TV with all the subscription problems / price jacking lately.
Functionally, it’s proven to be a really great TV, particularly at the price point. At most, only one ad in the interface, and it’s for a movie typically.
Get a projector and a screen. They're all dumb.
Not always an option. You'd need to dim the lights every time and - most importantly - have a whole spare wall in your home.
Im sure you could mount a rollup projector screen anywhere you would put your TV, but your first point is huge. The light issue is a huge non starter
Two of our TVs hang from the arms in the corners and one occupies a bookshelf. I am not sure it would work that well with a screen that's less than a meter wide.
I've tried getting a way too cheap, really bad projector running Android to work once. From Wish or something, I guess. It was a truly unpleasant experience. Fortunately, it wasn't mine!
Also, I had a good ol' dumb Epson projector 10-15 years ago, but it had a very noisy fan, meaning you had to always turn up your HiFi to try and camouflage the fan noise in louder sound than you else would've had. Are low-end consumer projectors still that noisy?
I have a Ben-Q and sit under it without noticing fan noise at all. It's 1080p and the lights don't need to be dimmed. The projector screen is mounted to the ceiling so I just roll it up when I'm done.
That's good to know! Mine was only 720p "HD ready", though I remember the image quality as being decent. I just had a white wall, though it actually looked fine on e.g. a blue wall too. I still have it somewhere, but the lamp is broken. Thought of fixing it last time I found it, since a replacement lamp isn't too expensive, but decided it wasn't worth it because of the fan noise...
Been awhile but boy I really feel like my LG setup was pretty darn close to this sort of experience.