I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don't know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn't the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it's not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here, it's not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They're keeping the aesthetic and design, so I'm happy. But so many people don't have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it's "unwatchable garbage". I've seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called "shit" these days.
I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So.... there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.
It is not known.
No it's not lmao. It was good but it's far from anything like that
What? It's almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any "top RPGs of all time" list and you're pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Wow all the clickbait bot written top 10 list blogs put it in the top half!!!
Maybe broaden your horizon a bit. You're missing out.
Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your "No it's not lmao". I'm gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.
Ok. Enjoy your mediocrity. Ignorance is bliss after all.
Alright Mr. Important. Go on, enlighten me. Give me your top 30 greatest RPGs of all time, in any order.
I can't really think of a worse way to spend my time. Just go explore bro. If new Vegas is fantastic to you there's a whole world of gold out there to find.
Go explore what exactly? That is literally what I was asking. What are those exceptional games that I've missed in my 20+ years of gaming that turn New Vegas into a turd? But if you can't be bothered then just say you have shit taste and don't know what you're talking about and we can end it there.
Haha, look at you. So angry because of some slight criticism of your little game. Is Fallout New Vegas with you in the room right now? Blink if you need help. For your sanity sake I want to point out I literally called it a good game. You can stop stomping your angry little feet now.
I'm doing fine. I already know you've got shit taste. All we can accomplish now is get you to also accept that you had shit taste.
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it's not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn't do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I'm cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on "who's the dragon? it's such a mystery!!" when that wasn't even a plot point of the first book. It's a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it's just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you've already admitted that it's bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I'm talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it's one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Ah, ok so I'm broken and don't have to worry.
I loved both those things.
Then I assume you'll enjoy the Fallout show no matter what. Did you watch HALO, and if you did - Did you enjoy it?
It's sad they only made one episode of Halo. I'd have watched a whole series as good as e1.
Well said. And yet you enjoyed the mentioned series? You are an enigma my friend.
Morbius... Good, bad or morbin' amazing?
I actually haven't seen it!
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it's just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It's far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would've preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it's my favourite LOTR book.
Rings of power was alright
No it isn't. It's terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn't even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn't be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien's works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth "round", so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn't make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it's so different that I don't even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn't like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin's are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it's terrible.
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.
But also I've never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I'm already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me.
But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so...
shrugs
It's west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don't know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what's been written already
Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.
I'm with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design
I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don't know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn't the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it's not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here, it's not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They're keeping the aesthetic and design, so I'm happy. But so many people don't have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it's "unwatchable garbage". I've seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called "shit" these days.
I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So.... there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.
It is not known.
No it's not lmao. It was good but it's far from anything like that
What? It's almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any "top RPGs of all time" list and you're pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Wow all the clickbait bot written top 10 list blogs put it in the top half!!!
Maybe broaden your horizon a bit. You're missing out.
Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your "No it's not lmao". I'm gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.
Ok. Enjoy your mediocrity. Ignorance is bliss after all.
Alright Mr. Important. Go on, enlighten me. Give me your top 30 greatest RPGs of all time, in any order.
I can't really think of a worse way to spend my time. Just go explore bro. If new Vegas is fantastic to you there's a whole world of gold out there to find.
Go explore what exactly? That is literally what I was asking. What are those exceptional games that I've missed in my 20+ years of gaming that turn New Vegas into a turd? But if you can't be bothered then just say you have shit taste and don't know what you're talking about and we can end it there.
Haha, look at you. So angry because of some slight criticism of your little game. Is Fallout New Vegas with you in the room right now? Blink if you need help. For your sanity sake I want to point out I literally called it a good game. You can stop stomping your angry little feet now.
I'm doing fine. I already know you've got shit taste. All we can accomplish now is get you to also accept that you had shit taste.
Of course not, Lord of the Rings already exists.
We've had first Lord of the Rings, yes, but what about second Lord of the Rings?
Well that didn't stop Amazon from making them Rings of Power so don't give anybody any ideas now.
I don't want to set the world on fire.
But I will if they fuck this up.
Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?
Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it's not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn't do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I'm cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on "who's the dragon? it's such a mystery!!" when that wasn't even a plot point of the first book. It's a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it's just a cop-out.
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you've already admitted that it's bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I'm talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it's one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Ah, ok so I'm broken and don't have to worry.
I loved both those things.
Then I assume you'll enjoy the Fallout show no matter what. Did you watch HALO, and if you did - Did you enjoy it?
It's sad they only made one episode of Halo. I'd have watched a whole series as good as e1.
Well said. And yet you enjoyed the mentioned series? You are an enigma my friend.
Morbius... Good, bad or morbin' amazing?
I actually haven't seen it!
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it's just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It's far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would've preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it's my favourite LOTR book.
No it isn't. It's terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn't even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn't be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien's works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth "round", so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn't make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it's so different that I don't even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn't like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin's are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it's terrible.
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.
But also I've never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I'm already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so...
shrugs
It's west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don't know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what's been written already
Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.
I'm with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design